Solving Unanswered Spyro Questions and Connecting TLOS to the Originals

JakBandiFan · Jan 06, 2010 5:48 PM

I am sure Activision will come around. They did say that they are going to do market research before making a new Spyro and Crash game. I am not sure it is possible for them to seperate old Crash and new Crash however, unless they make a "Legend of Crash Bandicoot" and an old-school platformer in the same year...

I really expected Spyro ETD to be a Year of the Dragon clone. Crash Bandicoot WOC was an exact clone of Crash Bandicoot 3 (just with slightly better graphics - the critics even compared it to Jak & Daxter) and it was a nice goodbye to the original gameplay.

I expected Spyro ETD to have smaller levels but more of them. I wanted four home worlds and the same exact type of levels. When I first played it, I first thought that the gem count was 70,000. I looked more closely and I noticed that it was 7,000. And there was only 9 levels.

Still, like the Sonic Team, Activision are not saying anything about Spyro or Crash yet. Which means possibly:

1). Either they are planning to seperate TLOS and the original Spyro.

2). Or maybe they are working overtime on the next TLOS to make it a great hit.

Either are equally likely to happen. Activision would receive a lot of money if they go for the first option. It is a recession and developers are inclined to make the most money as possible. Insomniac developed on two franchises this generation (and Naughty Dog and Sucker Punch said that they are keen to come back to their PS2 franchises as well). Oh, and Activision should port a PC Spyro release one day. Just saying. wink

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon · Jan 06, 2010 7:18 PM

Or maybe they're not making a Spyro game at all.

JakBandiFan · Jan 06, 2010 7:30 PM

Or maybe they're not making a Spyro game at all.

Should I e-mail Activision about it? Or maybe we should wait until there would be an official announcement? There is a thread on this forum when someone has e-mailed (Aura24, I think) Rebecca & Gabriel whether they were making music for the next Spyro game.

They did say that Activision assigned someone else to make the music for the next Spyro game. Maybe development has not started yet...I could speculate all I want. But still, 2010 and there is no official word except for a leak of the change of music composer.

Jak & Daxter had a four year gap before there was another platformer. Maybe Spyro would rest for this long?

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon · Jan 06, 2010 8:02 PM

Yes, maybe you should e-mail.

JakBandiFan · Jan 06, 2010 8:55 PM

I clicked over the Spyro brand section on Activision's website and it said "Page Not Found"... o_O

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon · Jan 06, 2010 8:56 PM

That's weird. Try again.

iSO · Jan 07, 2010 9:22 AM

Actually, the summarized list of Spyro games has been changed when I randomly (yes, I randomly go to Activision -- watching stocks and reading mindless stories in the waste of time XP) and saw that all the Spyro games have been removed, except for the three Legend of Spyro series. That was during New Year's, then the old list came back after I checked this topic just right now. ...I assume it was a quick cleanup or something. Hmm.

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon wrote:

Or maybe they're not making a Spyro game at all.

Heh heh, sounds like a joke. x3

You know, Activision has been very well known for pouring out sequel after sequel. But why the thoughts of leaving the purple dragon alone when it needs recovering time getting his edge back? LoS or Classic. This type of discussion will remain speculative until we are near E3 (which is June) or any similar gaming expo (before June) that lets big gaming companies announce their games and teasers. tongue

JakBandiFan · Jan 07, 2010 10:18 AM

Yeah, ISO. Jak & Daxter got to rest for three years before having another game. But Activision did put out a Crash Bandicoot mobile game last year (actually it is a sub-section of Activision - Vivendi Games Mobile), which was very well received by many critics.

Looks like we are in for a long wait...

Saeth · Jan 08, 2010 5:08 AM

Interesting... this thread has gone to a "Joining of Two dimensional Spyro games" to "TLOS IS TEH SUXOORSS!!!!1111!" <_< ... tongue

W/e, anyway... Ratchet... if you recall in TLOS: ANB, Ignitus and the other Dragon Elders are capable of looking into that pool portal that allowed them to see other places even in the future if I'm not mistaken. Do you think that this kind of technology was used for the portal system in the original games? If you recall you got to see the BG in each world when you went through the portals and then later ended up there.

Also... for the TLOS crap... I've said it before and I'll say it again. The thing that ticks me off the most was that TLOS changed Spyro's personality... I would have tolerated the monotonous gameplay, low budget story, and over the top cliche's if they would have kept the original personality. Its one thing by changing the gameplay, but changing the personality... ugh, just ugh.

JakBandiFan · Jan 08, 2010 3:16 PM

What I noticed as well that the Sorceress stole dragon eggs on the "Year of the Dragon". The Dark Master did the same exact thing, on the same exact zodiac year. Maybe what the Dark Master did was repeated by countless thieves that you see in Spyro 1 and 3.

The Dark Master wanted to eliminate all of the dragons (correct me if I'm wrong here) while Gnasty Gnorc, Ripto and the Sorceress all had similar intentions. Maybe they decided to finish the Dark Master's dirty work, either by command or by pure hatred of dragons.

ratchet · Jan 09, 2010 1:59 AM

The sourcerous, Gnasty Gnorc, and Ripto All did completely different things than the dark master
1.The Sourcerous stole the dragon eggs, not tried to destroy them, and she needed them for immortality. The dark master only stole 1 dragon egg and that was to build up an army (of only one dragon tongue )
2.Ripto came to avalar looking for a place to control and enslave, and waws happy to hear there were no dragons. Ripto seems to arrogan and Vain to be working for anyone, and the dark master Wouldnt want someone like ripto ruling avalar, hed want to be ruling avalar himself
3.Gnasty Gnorc...No

You can have you opinion JakBandiFan, But IMO, the original villians worked alone.

W/e, anyway... Ratchet... if you recall in TLOS: ANB, Ignitus and the other Dragon Elders are capable of looking into that pool portal that allowed them to see other places even in the future if I'm not mistaken. Do you think that this kind of technology was used for the portal system in the original games? If you recall you got to see the BG in each world when you went through the portals and then later ended up there.

All we know, Or I Know, is that technology in the old universe is WAAAAY more developed than in TLOS. But for some reason, The Original universe doesnt seem as spiiritual, and seems incapable of doing such things as look into the future. Perhaps their spiritual-ness was lost over time.

Also... for the TLOS crap... I've said it before and I'll say it again. The thing that ticks me off the most was that TLOS changed Spyro's personality... I would have tolerated the monotonous gameplay, low budget story, and over the top cliche's if they would have kept the original personality. Its one thing by changing the gameplay, but changing the personality... ugh, just ugh.

Its pretty much the same for me. The gameplay, the more I seem to want to deny it, is not the thing that makes me dislike TLOS, Its the characters, and the way they warped spyro.

JakBandiFan · Jan 16, 2010 1:56 PM

I noticed that the "ability earning" thing was first present in this under-rated game called "Tombi" (poor him, he was never given a chance :'( ).

There were four abilities to earn (Animal Dash, Dwarf Language, Swim and Dive). I do not know if anyone here ever played that game, but it was really awesome. You did have to fight, yes. During the course of the game, you acquired better and better weapons. Then, you use the weapons on enemies and you score Adventure Points. But fighting was optional (except for the 7 boss battles).

Spyro 2 onwards had that similar "ability earning" objective (in Spyro 3, you unlock playable characters, not abilities). Insomniac might have played Tombi for inspiration.

Its pretty much the same for me. The gameplay, the more I seem to want to deny it, is not the thing that makes me dislike TLOS, Its the characters, and the way they warped spyro.

I agree with you, ratchet. In the newer Crash Bandicoot games, the characters just have "warped looks". Their personalities and voices are exactly the same. But it is still room for complaint.

Spyro is a Gary Stu now. So is Sparx. Sparx is never really sad, he didn't even shed a single tear. I respect the fact that they try to recreate the Spyro series but that is not the way to do it.

DarkFury · Jan 19, 2010 7:34 PM

Well we already know there are going to be more Spyro games, and I say thats great. As much as stupid comments from critics (ego GameInformer having an article that lists Spyro as a franchise that needs to die) saying that Spyro should have died on a high note, I think that the rebirth of the series is a great thing.

For those of you who like the original series more then TLOS, which is understandable, I just don't agree with you. Most of the people I know who played the original ones didn't like them half as much as they liked TLOS. This mostly comes from simple facts that a lot of people agree on; they were to long, had no real story, had no emotion, and were only fun to play though once.

I love all the Spyro games, new or old, but these new ones are special. Yes Spyro isn't what he was before, a soft-spoken and mischievous little beast, but I enjoy watching characters evolve. Take Halo for example. The Master Chief changed a lot since the first. Sure he looks different and talks less(or in Spyro's case more)he appeals to us more.

I just found TLOS an invigorating trilogy, with emotional moments, hilarious dialogue, and believable characters. Dawn Of The Dragon is fun to play more then once and can claim number 1 in best looks on Xbox360 in my book(and ive played all the best 360 games). I just hate to see a lot of hate on something that was rated 7-10 by 95% of its players, 90-95% played a previous Spyro game, 85-90% of which were above the age of 14. TLOS wasnt made for little kids, it was made for the people 15 and up who, like me, remember playing the first when they were 5.

Thanks for reading as I realize this post is way to long XD.

ratchet · Jan 20, 2010 9:52 AM

It would be too easy for me to start a debate with you, Darkfury, But this is not what this topic is about, and not what i am trying to achieve. However, I appreciate your opinion, I just dont want to start another debate.
Mainly what i am trying to get in this topic is that if they chooses to go back to the originals, theres nothing stopping them from connecting the series. Not too hard, not too stupid, its easy. After all, a fan could do it. The plotholes help the people making the game solve them, plotholes help build the story.

Again, Darkfury, I dont agree with most of the things you said, but i wont start an argument

DarkFury · Jan 20, 2010 11:45 AM

Yeah I didn't want to start one. I just wanted to voice my opinion. I'm just saying that most of the people I know liked the new ones better. And your right, it would be easy and would make sense, but I don't think thats what they plan to do.

Sorry if I seem like an original hater, Im far from it. I just found the new ones funner to play and had a better story. Even if there are a lot of similaritys between DOTD and The Lord Of The Rings hahahahahahaha(Im not the only one who sees that right??)

Anyway yes I like your idea. Well thought out.

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon · Jan 20, 2010 7:15 PM

I respect your opinion, Darkfury, but I disagree with you. What's a bad game to one could be a great game for another, but to me IGN, GameSpot and top critics like that decide whether the game is good or not overall. And the original Spyro triumphs.

It seems you like short games, and that's just you, but I like games that don't take two hours to finish and actually give you some thinking to do. And they did have a real story - and a more original one that TLoS at that. It kind of annoys me that, because the originals focused more on gameplay (i.e. the whole point of a video game) than story everybody says it has 'no story'. I mean, the first game was lacking somewhat but it WAS the first. In the second one, a faraway land was being terrorised and Spyro had to stop him as well as get back to his own world in the process. That's a story, if you ask me. And it did have emotion. The characters were much more lovable than they are in TLoS.

I completely disagree with you on the last part. The originals had tons of replay value - after I'd got every single thing and every skill point, I'd play through it again. DotD...I don't know why, but it's just so...boring to play through again.

But you know, you're just you and I'm just me. I think that the originals are better but we all have our own opinions, right? smile

DarkFury · Jan 20, 2010 7:24 PM

Yeah. ROFL. When it gets right down to it, opinions are like buttholes, we've all got 'em and most of them are crappy. wink
Hahahaha, you can thank a friend of mine for that. He should be joining soon. He all out loves TLOS so don't be surprised when his posts flame everything else, hahaha he has ETD and hates it compaired to DOTD.

Idk maybe my opinions spawn from me not playing all the original games, and not ever getting to play any of them (except for the 3rd and a heros tail) half as much as I wanted to. I should buy all of them to play on my ps2. I can easyly get the GBA and DS spin-offs. Ive got an AceKard2 for my DS.

JakBandiFan · Jan 20, 2010 9:48 PM

And I am sitting on the fence here. I think that TLOS needs improving - Spyro and Sparx should show other emotions like crying for instance. The developers should look at Final Fantasy and see how an epic story is mixed with epic gameplay.

Anyway, where did the Rhynocs come from? That is one thing I don't get. Where they could have been hiding in TLOS, ratchet?

ratchet · Jan 22, 2010 6:45 AM

Where they could have been hiding in TLOS, ratchet?

They probably werent around then. or atleast the numbers we see. And the Rhynocs in YOTD among other games are all "fake" anyway (created by gem). So its a possibility that all the original rhynocs are dead or moved away. Its the same with the gnorcs.
It is also possible that the rynocs have regenerative powers and arnt fake. (we know fodder do).
But I cant see Spyro killing hundreds of rynocs. its not cricket

And Darkfury, Id say stay away from the non Ps1 Original Spyro games, They give spyro a kinda bad name. Probably the best one for you would be Spyro 2.

DarkFury · Jan 22, 2010 11:44 AM

Yeah, I figured that the spin-offs sucked. Hahahaha.

Nydie · Jan 23, 2010 12:51 AM

Anyway, where did the Rhynocs come from? That is one thing I don't get. Where they could have been hiding in TLOS, ratchet?

I am working on a timeline, like Ratchet's but mine is Insomniac before LoS.

I theorize that the gnorcs became extinct pretty much after the dragons decided that gnorcs were troublemakers after Gnasty Gnorc showed his true colours. That would happen after dragons discriminate gnorcs in a council and Gnasty becomes verrrrrrryyyyyy vengeful and starts leading an army of gnorcs. (Which this would explain why HE was banished to the Dragon Junkyard)

ratchet · Jan 23, 2010 4:53 AM

Nydie wrote:

Anyway, where did the Rhynocs come from? That is one thing I don't get. Where they could have been hiding in TLOS, ratchet?
I am working on a timeline, like Ratchet's but mine is Insomniac before LoS.
I theorize that the gnorcs became extinct pretty much after the dragons decided that gnorcs were troublemakers after Gnasty Gnorc showed his true colours. That would happen after dragons discriminate gnorcs in a council and Gnasty becomes verrrrrrryyyyyy vengeful and starts leading an army of gnorcs. (Which this would explain why HE was banished to the Dragon Junkyard)

I wouldnt immagine the "Dragon Council" would be that arrogant. And because The Gnorcs we see in Spyro 1 are all made out of gems, I can assume that These arnt real gnorcs.
My theory goes that somehow the gnorcs were enemies with both the dragons and Gnasty Gnorc.
Perhaps once gnasty gnorc became a terror, The Dragons gave the gnorcs lesser rights (as you said) or security was heightened once the fake gnorcs started popping up. Or perhaps maybe the gnorcs were just geeting annoyed with the fake gnorcs. For whatever reasons, they left. But Id say they werent impressed with Gnasty and possibly not the dragons either.

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon · Jan 23, 2010 9:25 AM

I always wondered why there were gnorcs running the attractions in Dragon Shores...

Nydie · Jan 25, 2010 6:35 PM

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon wrote:

I always wondered why there were gnorcs running the attractions in Dragon Shores...

Another detail I forget when I get sick. *adds that to the list of mistakes over 5 days*

I have not been in DS for a while because I have had my head in "Writingtenitus", "Drawingtenitus", and "CrashBandicoottenitus" for the last 3 weeks or so. But I always remembered them as kinda leaning on their canes and such. oO
Looks like they had a little struff on the way to DS imo.

JakBandiFan · Feb 01, 2010 9:42 PM

I always wondered about the gnorcs in Spyro 2. Maybe they were converts from the bad side. I don't know.

Oh, I have also established a reputation online for my game mods. I plan to seriously resurrect the original Spyro gameplay (I am reading books about working in C++). But the coding seems difficult to put on a compiler program. For example, having the guidebook/atlas thing - possibly would need 1,000 lines of code for 25 levels. This is getting off-topic and anyway, I still have not finished a sci-fi shooter that I am working on at the time of writing this post...

Back on topic, "Cinder" was a dragonfly in ETD and resembles very much the name "Cynder". Coincidence, no? Or, maybe because it is a synonym to "Ember". hmm

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