Music

Swaffy · Apr 20, 2009 8:58 PM

The statement, "That's not real music" is only a personal choice/opinion
whether or not they think it is worthy of being the traditional type of
music. It would be the music, like you said before, that has been made by
humans, not computers. People who go up on stage, a recording studio,
or wherever, get suited with their voice and/or instrument, and put their
true ability into creating music. Bands like Relient K just throw tunes
together, even though they make live music. Bands like Oasis and
Guns 'N Roses put reason into their music. Some ... heart.

The reason I like Alter Bridge so much is because they take time to
create their songs, and they make them with reason. Take "In Loving
Memory" as an example. The singer's family member [father or mother,
can't remember] died in such a way that caused his actions to lead to the
creation of the song. It is made for all those who have lost someone ... or
still has somebody who they feel is special. ...

It depends on the band and why the music was/is made. By that matter, I
don't care what genre the music is. But in personal likes and preferences,
I just prefer going for sound and lyrics. The stuff that really matters to
me when listening to music.

I have songs with a good tune, but bad/negative lyrics. I ended up hating
those songs.

Spinner the Faun · Apr 20, 2009 9:09 PM

Aicebo wrote:

Sure, no one is telling you not to like it, but it's not the best way to say that you don't like it, i.e. "That's not real music".

Well, I was brought up with the old school, ie; heavy, progressive rock, 60's psychodelia etc. So, too me, modern genres aren't music. That's not to say I dislike other people for liking it or that they shouldn't find it musical.I just cant listen to modern sounds, they depress me. Hearing an old hammond organ and some slightly distroted guitar... memories of the 60's - now that makes me happy and relaxed. When I hear something like House, techno, rnb, modern pop etc. i get very depressed, being a music lover and musician myself, i feel sad to think the music I love has almost completely died, mainly since these new styles started appearing. I live the 1960's. Reminders that I am not there bring me down, and that is what modern genres are to me. Plus the modern sound lacks those chord structures... the chord structures of the 60's weer beautiful. They have pretty much died out nowdays, apart from the few bands that still use them like The Coral. Those are the best musicians of today imo. Just my personal belief on the matter.

I apoliogise if I offended anyone, I meant no disrespect.

Aicebo · Apr 20, 2009 9:10 PM

There's tons of modern-day bands that put heart into their songs; you can take my favorite band Aiden for an example. Lots of their songs have wonderful messages in them and the stories behind the band members are very inspirational. Many of the bands that I listen to are like that.
Lots of electronica songs are created with keyboards, not computers. You need computers to put things like that together, and believe it or not, it takes a LOT of work. Peter Heppner, one of the best electroncia artists IMO, always goes into recording studios to do his stuff. He works with a keyboard and uses other instruments that people play in the background sometimes. Some of his songs have intense choruses while the rest are slow and sad. His CD "Solo" was released last year and it never ceases to amaze me still.

Swaffy · Apr 20, 2009 9:17 PM

Aicebo wrote:

; you can take my favorite band Aiden for an example.

So in your case, Aiden is the band I was talking about previously. One
who puts reason into their music.

Aicebo wrote:

Peter Heppner, one of the best electroncia artists IMO, always goes into
recording studios to do his stuff. He works with a keyboard and uses
other instruments that people play in the background sometimes.

I was talking about people who go on computers and use programs to
create their 'music'. In your case the person uses an instrument. and real
people.

Aicebo · Apr 20, 2009 9:21 PM

Computers are used in it. I don't know if you got that part.
I will say though that the electronica that I DON'T like is when there's a constant helium voice. HOW can people STAND it? It's fine if it's a background thing for about 10 seconds, but JEEBUS.

bmah · Apr 21, 2009 2:54 AM

Computers are used in the majority of songs anyways these days. Even bands need to do some syncing and mastering obviously. I don't understand the antagonism against the use of a computer anyways. It requires a different kind of effort, not necessarily less.

@Swaffy: I find composing solely on the computer is more work than if I had a keyboard handy. I could compose either by playing on the keyboard, or manually using my mouse to individually add notes. And the results can be just the same. It goes back to the first few things I said in this post. Speaking of the amount of effort to create music, you should see people who are really serious into making electronic music: the whole room is filled with stacks of synths, modulators, and whatnot, as well as numerous keyboards and computers. I can't imagine myself fiddling with literally hundreds of knobs and cords. The setup of the equipment, as well as the necessary electroacoustic music knowledge, looks daunting. Talk about effort!

@Spinner: You certainly need better word choices if you'd like to express a less intrusive opinion. I know you were obviously expressing your strong biased opinion, but what you said had additional implications, regardless of what you meant. I work with piano/synth stuff, you play in rock bands; good for you. Thanks for the apology.

Aicebo · Apr 21, 2009 3:57 AM

Yeah not only that but on every record for someone that's been in a studio for, let's say, their 2nd or 3rd album (if they get big) when they're recording they need people to work with knobs and buttons and switches for it to come out right and they use computer programs to put everything together the way it needs to be. I've seen tons of examples of recordings for bands that they make in studios, and some of the bands don't even know how to do all of those complex things.

Swaffy · Apr 21, 2009 10:58 PM

bmah wrote:

@Swaffy: I find composing solely on the computer is more work than if I had a keyboard handy. I could compose either by playing on the keyboard, or manually using my mouse to individually add notes. And the results can be just the same. It goes back to the first few things I said in this post. Speaking of the amount of effort to create music, you should see people who are really serious into making electronic music: the whole room is filled with stacks of synths, modulators, and whatnot, as well as numerous keyboards and computers. I can't imagine myself fiddling with literally hundreds of knobs and cords. The setup of the equipment, as well as the necessary electroacoustic music knowledge, looks daunting. Talk about effort!

... which leads to the fact that music was originally meant to be played
using actual instruments, not computers. Society screws up music, and
throws in [now, this is only my opinion >] stupid modernized music
machines. I personally enjoy music, but when it comes to computers
being used, I want to barf.

Speaking of music, I'm taking my dad's 12-string and am going to do an
acoustic set with a friend during worship at our Wednesday night youth
group service.

Aicebo · Apr 21, 2009 11:02 PM

You're on a computer right now. That makes you part of "society".
All music recorded in a studio within the past 10 or 20 years is put together with a computer. I guess that means you hate all music?

bmah · Apr 22, 2009 2:52 AM

Swaffy, I just don't let the term "technology" or "computer" get in the way of defining what's a musical instrument. From the mid to late 20th century, people began to make contemporary music out of the less conventional instrument or equipment. The musical "Stomp" features household items as instruments such as garbage cans. The medley may be music to some people's ears...it's certainly a more artistic, unique approach in making music. Another cool work called Raindrops was the modulation of the sound of a water drop being played on a cassette tape by rewinding and fast-forwarding the sound at various intervals. It actually sounds like a marimba, very neat. I think you'd be surprised Swaffy at how much you might enjoy music made by modern (ie. computer) or unconventional means if you'd only venture out of the more traditional ways of making music. You can either broaden or narrow your enjoyment of music, your choice. I certainly hope to be more open-minded myself about other genres.

Swaffy · Apr 22, 2009 12:29 PM

bmah wrote:

Swaffy, I just don't let the term "technology" or "computer" get in the way of defining what's a musical instrument.

Of course not. I only said that I don't like it. I always knew that they
were instruments.

Aicebo · Apr 22, 2009 3:47 PM

...
You just said that you didn't think that they were instruments....
Make up your mind chap...

bmah · Apr 22, 2009 8:54 PM

Swaffy wrote:

bmah wrote:
Swaffy, I just don't let the term "technology" or "computer" get in the way of defining what's a musical instrument.
Of course not. I only said that I don't like it. I always knew that they
were instruments.

This doesn't fit the bill to your previous post that implied that "computers weren't meant to be played as instruments". Weren't meant? Heck would I be surprised if the drum was originally a tin can for food storage before it became a percussion instrument!

Swaffy · Apr 23, 2009 3:01 AM

Whoa.

Yeah, I think I was thinking about something else at the time, so the
sentence didn't fully register in my head. Some things have been
happening at school, and I have not been able to think correctly in the
past few days.

Making no sense is, unfortunaltely, part of my personality. And I find
myself quiet for days, regretting that I could never talk right. But only
when joking around or something of a similarity. I can be a wise person
when it comes to friends needing help. If there is something going on,
and they need someone to help, I am the guy. But I can't just normally
talk to friends when I am in a happy mood ...

Whatever. You could care less.

Aicebo · Apr 23, 2009 3:06 AM

I'm the same way, I guess, but there's no reason to change the subject.

Swaffy · Apr 23, 2009 3:19 AM

I only extended the fact that I misread the sentence that was about
music. But yes, back on topic.

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