Anyone have Competitive Pokémon Battling knowledge?

Zekira Drake · Mar 06, 2008 1:59 PM

Refer to subject.

Because I need to ask what the HELL Is a good counter for Sub-Sweepers -_-

Trainer_Spyro · Mar 06, 2008 2:37 PM

I don't know what a sub-sweeper is. Care to tell? I might be able to help.
I'm not really all that competitive as I have never been in any tournaments or attempted to be in any however no one has been able to beat me to date short of getting crits on all my pokemon. <_<
Man that was lame.
Wait there was that one person at Toy's R Us... Jen I think it was. Sheesh that was murder.
o_O

pur · Mar 06, 2008 3:10 PM

Zekira Drake wrote:

Refer to subject.
Because I need to ask what the HELL Is a good counter for Sub-Sweepers -_-

Naturally depends on which pokemon is the sub-sweeper, of course.

Trainer_Spyro · Mar 06, 2008 5:20 PM

Okay so what I got from bulbapedia is that you should counter a sweeper with a tank. I'm sure I don't need to explain what a tank is to you. However I still don't know what a Sub - sweeper is so I don't know if that helps or not.

A Guy · Mar 06, 2008 8:20 PM

I counter physical sweepers with a combination of Double Team, Iron Defense, and Toxic.

Of course, this doesn't work with the steel type, which is why I teach all my tanks Brick Break...

Trainer_Spyro · Mar 06, 2008 9:17 PM

All 7 of my Lv 100 Blazikens know Brick Break. It was the best fighting move as far as accuracy and damage goes until aura sphere. Unfortuantely for all torchic breeders like myself Blaziken can't learn it. sad

Anyway. One of my teams is by the bulbapedia definition a sweeper team and I've found that one thing that really trippes it up are teams that can swap pokemon and afford to take the damage.
Like in the one instance my opponent had a Miltank so logically I figred the best thing to use on it would be Brick Break. Then she swapped Miltank for Flygon which was barely effected and at the same time fast enough to come back with an earthquake to KO Blaziken since since my second attack wasn't strong enough to KO it.
Curse Blaziken's weak defense... *angry muttering* <_<

Anyway I hope that helps. smile

A Guy · Mar 06, 2008 9:31 PM

Sorry, deleted cookies and forgot to log in.

Stormy · Mar 06, 2008 11:20 PM

[sub]Anyone care to explain what a "sub-sweeper" is? So far the only one of those special terms for movesets I can understand is Thunderdancer. >_>

Edit: Typos >_>[/sub]

Zekira Drake · Mar 08, 2008 6:04 AM

Sub-Sweepers: Any Physical or Special Sweeper with Substitute in their moveset.

The problem with Tanks against Sub-Sweepers is that they can't Toxic them.

The Sub-Sweepers I have problems are... the TimidJolt and the McIceGar, also the TyraniBoa.

OK, I've taken care of the Sub-Sweepers, now I'm having trouble with SpeedPassed-Mence! -_- You know, the typical HPFlying-Earthquake-Aerial Ace-Rock Slide Salamence that's been Speed passed or worse, DD-Passed. -_-

I DO use a Milotic. Toxic-Surf-Refresh-Recover. Problem is, *bleep* TimidJolts just OHKO me -_-

And someone PLEASE answer why the hell there are haxers living again??? Double Team Passing, argh. My Dragonite is rusting out here waiting for Haze but... it just doesn't work, I'm about to switch that thing off.

Not even my Gengar is beating out the Buffed Mence.

Also a counter to the Taunt-DD Gyarados, too, please... T_T

Oh, and one last question. Is Linoone OU, UU, or NU?

Oh, BlueFla~ I mean Stormy. There's reason why a lot of people asked you if the Crobat was EVed. Because Crobats are INSANELY STRONG. Insanely high Speed and Attack, even beating out a Jolteon... 3 1/4 resistances... a Poison type with immunity to Ground...! There isn't a better Poison type out there! Well, Gengar maybe, but Gengar can't sweep as fierce as Crobat!

A Guy · Mar 08, 2008 12:29 PM

My Machamp is a sub-sweeper with Substitute and Focus Punch. The thing that really gets on my nerves are moves that can knock out the substitute in one hit. If you keep on hitting the sub-sweeper with really powerful super-effective moves, then you should either discourage your opponent from subbing or be able to lower their HP to the point where they can't substitute. What sub-sweepers do you have problems against?

Zekira Drake · Mar 08, 2008 2:45 PM

As I said, Jolteons and Gengars.

OK, so Jolteon like, Subs 1 time. Opponent realizes that Sub dies in one hit. He Thunderbolts me. I DIE IN ONE HIT -_-

Also, McIceGars, too are irritating SubPunchers.

But right now no one can defeat the ferocity of my super Linoone! Here's what happened last time to me at Shoddy:

Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
Zekira sent out Akvmovat (lvl 100 Heracross ?).
sell me surreal sent out Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
Gyarados's intimidate cut Akvmovat's attack!
Zekira switched in Azelf (lvl 100 Azelf).
Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
Gyarados's attack was raised.
Gyarados's speed was raised.
---
sell me surreal switched in Drapion (lvl 100 Drapion ?).
Azelf used Thunderbolt.
Drapion lost 48% of its health.
Drapion's leftovers restored its health a little!
Drapion restored 6% of its health.
---
Azelf used Flamethrower.
Drapion lost 45% of its health.
Drapion used Night Slash.
It's super effective!
Azelf lost 97% of its health.
Drapion's leftovers restored its health a little!
Drapion restored 6% of its health.
---
sell me surreal switched in Donphan (lvl 100 Donphan ?).
Azelf used Flamethrower.
Donphan lost 43% of its health.
Donphan's leftovers restored its health a little!
Donphan restored 6% of its health.
---
Donphan used Ice Shard.
Azelf lost 3% of its health.
Zekira's Azelf fainted.
Donphan's leftovers restored its health a little!
Donphan restored 6% of its health.
---
Zekira switched in Laglarge (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
sell me surreal switched in Exeggutor (lvl 100 Exeggutor ?).
Laglarge used Earthquake.
It's not very effective...
Exeggutor lost 30% of its health.
Exeggutor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Exeggutor restored 6% of its health.
---
Exeggutor used Sunny Day.
The sun began to shine!
Laglarge used Mirror Coat.
But it failed!
The sun continues to shine.
Exeggutor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Exeggutor restored 6% of its health.
---
Zekira switched in Javelin (lvl 100 Dragonite ?).
Exeggutor used Solarbeam.
It's not very effective...
Javelin lost 16% of its health.
The sun continues to shine.
Exeggutor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Exeggutor restored 6% of its health.
---
Exeggutor used Sleep Powder.
Javelin fell asleep!
Javelin is fast asleep!
The sun continues to shine.
Exeggutor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Exeggutor restored 6% of its health.
---
Zekira switched in Laglarge (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Exeggutor used Solarbeam.
It's super effective!
Laglarge lost 100% of its health.
Zekira's Laglarge fainted.
The sun continues to shine.
Exeggutor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Exeggutor restored 6% of its health.
---
Zekira switched in Gablias (lvl 100 Garchomp ?).
Exeggutor used Solarbeam.
Gablias lost 71% of its health.
Gablias used Crunch.
It's super effective!
Exeggutor lost 71% of its health.
Gablias's Shell Bell restored a little health!
Gablias restored 8% of its health.
The sun faded.
Exeggutor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Exeggutor restored 6% of its health.
---
Gablias used Crunch.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Exeggutor lost 35% of its health.
sell me surreal's Exeggutor fainted.
Gablias's Shell Bell restored a little health!
Gablias restored 4% of its health.
---
sell me surreal switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
Gyarados's intimidate cut Gablias's attack!
Gablias used Dragon Claw.
Gyarados lost 25% of its health.
Gablias's Shell Bell restored a little health!
Gablias restored 3% of its health.
Gyarados used Ice Fang.
It's super effective!
Gablias lost 45% of its health.
Zekira's Gablias fainted.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
Zekira switched in Javelin (lvl 100 Dragonite ?).
Javelin is fast asleep!
Gyarados used Ice Fang.
It's super effective!
Javelin lost 84% of its health.
Zekira's Javelin fainted.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
Zekira switched in Akvmovat (lvl 100 Heracross ?).
Akvmovat used Endure.
Akvmovat braced itself!
Gyarados used Ice Fang.
A critical hit!
Akvmovat lost 54% of its health.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
Akvmovat used Endure.
Akvmovat braced itself!
Gyarados used Ice Fang.
Akvmovat lost 28% of its health.
Akvmovat's Salac Berry raised its speed!
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
Akvmovat used Endure.
But it failed!
Gyarados used Taunt.
Akvmovat fell for the taunt!
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 0% of its health.
---
Akvmovat used Reversal.
It's not very effective...
Gyarados lost 23% of its health.
Gyarados used Ice Fang.
Akvmovat lost 19% of its health.
Zekira's Akvmovat fainted.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
Zekira switched in Rushluff (lvl 100 Linoone ?).
Zekira: aw
Rushluff used Belly Drum.
Rushluff lost 50% of its health.
Rushluff's attack was raised.
Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
Gyarados's attack was raised.
Gyarados's speed was raised.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
Rushluff used Extremespeed.
Gyarados lost 89% of its health.
sell me surreal's Gyarados fainted.
---
sell me surreal switched in Drapion (lvl 100 Drapion ?).
Rushluff used Extremespeed.
A critical hit!
Drapion lost 19% of its health.
sell me surreal's Drapion fainted.
---
sell me surreal switched in Arcanine (lvl 100 Arcanine ?).
Rushluff used Extremespeed.
Arcanine lost 100% of its health.
sell me surreal's Arcanine fainted.
---
sell me surreal switched in Donphan (lvl 100 Donphan ?).
Rushluff used Extremespeed.
Donphan lost 61% of its health.
Donphan used Ice Shard.
Rushluff lost 19% of its health.
Donphan's leftovers restored its health a little!
Donphan restored 6% of its health.
---
Rushluff used Extremespeed.
Donphan lost 15% of its health.
sell me surreal's Donphan fainted.
---
sell me surreal switched in Umbreon (lvl 100 Umbreon ?).
Rushluff used Extremespeed.
Umbreon lost 91% of its health.
Umbreon used Wish.
Umbreon made a wish!
Umbreon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Umbreon restored 6% of its health.
---
Rushluff used Extremespeed.
Umbreon lost 15% of its health.
sell me surreal's Umbreon fainted.
Zekira wins!
Zekira: YEY

A Guy · Mar 08, 2008 2:49 PM

What's a McIceGar?

Stormy · Mar 08, 2008 5:18 PM

Sub-Sweepers: Any Physical or Special Sweeper with Substitute in their moveset.
The problem with Tanks against Sub-Sweepers is that they can't Toxic them.
The Sub-Sweepers I have problems are... the TimidJolt and the McIceGar, also the TyraniBoa.
OK, I've taken care of the Sub-Sweepers, now I'm having trouble with SpeedPassed-Mence! -_- You know, the typical HPFlying-Earthquake-Aerial Ace-Rock Slide Salamence that's been Speed passed or worse, DD-Passed. -_-
I DO use a Milotic. Toxic-Surf-Refresh-Recover. Problem is, *bleep* TimidJolts just OHKO me -_-
And someone PLEASE answer why the hell there are haxers living again??? Double Team Passing, argh. My Dragonite is rusting out here waiting for Haze but... it just doesn't work, I'm about to switch that thing off.
Not even my Gengar is beating out the Buffed Mence.
Also a counter to the Taunt-DD Gyarados, too, please... T_T
Oh, and one last question. Is Linoone OU, UU, or NU?
Oh, BlueFla~ I mean Stormy. There's reason why a lot of people asked you if the Crobat was EVed. Because Crobats are INSANELY STRONG. Insanely high Speed and Attack, even beating out a Jolteon... 3 1/4 resistances... a Poison type with immunity to Ground...! There isn't a better Poison type out there! Well, Gengar maybe, but Gengar can't sweep as fierce as Crobat!

[sub]You'll have to forgive my ignorance as I've only started playing Pokemon a few months ago, but what's a Sweeper? And TyraniBoa?

And about the Crobat:

Neoseeker's 18 million[sup:402c5df35d]th[/sup:402c5df35d] post

It's a running joke on Loungin' to quote that, since it was "such a funny 18 million[sup:402c5df35d]th[/sup:402c5df35d] post". I don't even have a Crobat. Never got around to evolving one. -__-[/sub]

A Guy · Mar 08, 2008 5:40 PM

I'd recommend a Rhyperior against a physical sub-sweeper. It has high attack and defense. Of course, it doesn't stand a chance against the fighting type. It also works good for electric sub-sweepers.

Zekira Drake · Mar 10, 2008 2:35 PM

OK, I've actually resolved a lot without using Rhyperiors.

MY ONLY PROBLEM NOW IS CONCERNING TAUNT-TYPE GYARADOS'. >_<High>_<

But putting in an Electric move means the removal of one of my Special Sweepers, and I'm sick and tired of having to replace them again and again!

...or maybe I should consider to remove my Garchomp.

EDIT: It just occured to me that the name of my Vaporeon is user #10's name. FTW?

A Guy · Mar 10, 2008 8:24 PM

Just counter it with another Taunt-using Gyarados that knows Thunderbolt.

Stormy · Mar 10, 2008 10:33 PM

OK, I've actually resolved a lot without using Rhyperiors.
EDIT: It just occured to me that the name of my Vaporeon is user #10's name. FTW?

[sub]Heck yeah FTW! XD

So, Zekira, do you have Diamond/Pearl? You're talking about Rhyperior.... 'cause I've kind of been wanted to play you....

Edit: Further coincidence: Vaporeon is user #10's favorite Pokemon. X3[/sub]

Zekira Drake · Mar 10, 2008 11:04 PM

I don't have D/P. I just go on Shoddy for a while and learn there. My friend has Diamond and I learn from there also. (even completely forgetting that Dragon Claw was a Physical Move. *bleep* 3rd gen. smile )

Why I suddenly mentioned my Vaporeon in there was because I forgot that bracket tags eats up posts, and thus in between there it mentioned something about my Stormy being Taunted excessively and thus isn't able to use Haze or Acid Armor. >_>

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