General Discussion 5

Gekoncze · Mar 06, 2015 4:03 PM

Definitely worth watching! tongue (not only for TF fans)

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Steinar · Mar 06, 2015 4:38 PM

I always assumed that the PS1 Spyro comes from Cynder and Spyro in TLOS cool

Mr. John · Mar 06, 2015 11:56 PM

Paranoia wrote:

Thanks everyone.
I'm going to be working directly with a researcher on projects dealing with water ecology. Mostly using GIS and mapping tools like analyzing aerial photos/satellite imagery and creating datasets and stuff, which might lead to some field work later.

Sounds great. It's something you enjoy too so great. Give it your all and you'll do great.

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Paranoia · Mar 07, 2015 7:54 AM

doing good so far man, hopefully I can get a leg up on the job market when I graduate because of my experience now

HunterFan42 · Mar 07, 2015 2:37 PM

Mr. Steinar, sorry I dont know how to make the quote box. Are you implying that Spyro and Cynder "got together" and had a baby and that baby was a ps1 game....?
That is sort of weird

Stormy · Mar 07, 2015 2:41 PM

Quote boxes are like this:

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36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Mar 07, 2015 3:00 PM

HunterFan42 wrote:

Mr. Steinar, sorry I dont know how to make the quote box. Are you implying that Spyro and Cynder "got together" and had a baby and that baby was a ps1 game....?
That is sort of weird

i think he meant the character Spyro from the PS1 game, not the game itself

but it's worth noting that the classic games, and the Legend of Spyro games, are actually unrelated according to the people who made Legend of Spyro. some fans have theories linking the two series together, but they're meant to follow two different storylines.

Mr. John · Mar 08, 2015 8:24 AM

Good for you. Paranoia keep up the great work!

As for LOS and Classic Spyro. It's kinda like Link from The Legend of Zelda. There's always a different incarnation of him every game. With no connection to the prior ones. Save for the tunic, and occasional weapons. Other then that not much. Of a connection. The Spyro's are two different incarnations. From two different world's no connection at all. Far as I know.

Steinar · Mar 08, 2015 4:08 PM

I was sorta joking, i don't actually think that Spyro 1 was from Cynder and Spyro in TLOS, its more wishful thought in a fun way ^^. As for people making theories on Zelda games linking to each other. They should know better though, since they are seperate game with another Link with a different story, just like a Mario game.

Actually, there has been some argument on what the best Zelda is too which is like asking what the best Pokemon game is. I just give them this answer "All Zelda games are bad, and all Zelda games are good" Just to mess with them tongue

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Mr. John · Mar 09, 2015 3:53 AM

Yup. I agree.

Swaffy · Mar 10, 2015 4:35 AM

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36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Mar 10, 2015 4:57 PM

most of us enjoy GIF files and videos and TV shows showing people doing fun things outside and doing interesting things. what exactly is it that prevents us from experiencing it ourselves? my reason right now is that i'm sick, but when i get better, am i really going to change my lifestyle?

i sound depressed here, but it's more curiosity than anything else.

SpyroGirl101 · Mar 10, 2015 5:33 PM

36IStillLikeSpyro36 wrote:

most of us enjoy GIF files and videos and TV shows showing people doing fun things outside and doing interesting things. what exactly is it that prevents us from experiencing it ourselves? my reason right now is that i'm sick, but when i get better, am i really going to change my lifestyle?
i sound depressed here, but it's more curiosity than anything else.

My answer to this question is college. Freaking college. There are so many things I'd like to be doing outside. So many things I want to experience, but being in college literally steals all opportunities away from me. It's one of the many reasons I hate college. There's just so much stress in my life all the time from tests and projects. I'm seriously sick of it. I'd rather be training my young horse or improving my riding skills. I honestly don't even know why I'm in college. I have no idea what I want to do career wise and I'm really not passionate about my major, but I honestly don't think I could be passionate about any college major.

Mr. John · Mar 10, 2015 5:44 PM

A bunch of priorities. The way I see it is that. When I complete and do things I enjoy. Maybe I won't have time all the time but I will.

I hope you feel better 36, and I hope you can do what you enjoy. Also I hope you can find time to spend with your horse one day SpyroGirl. You deserve if after all you're hardwork.

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36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Mar 10, 2015 6:02 PM

My answer to this question is college. Freaking college. There are so many things I'd like to be doing outside. So many things I want to experience, but being in college literally steals all opportunities away from me. It's one of the many reasons I hate college. There's just so much stress in my life all the time from tests and projects. I'm seriously sick of it. I'd rather be training my young horse or improving my riding skills. I honestly don't even know why I'm in college. I have no idea what I want to do career wise and I'm really not passionate about my major, but I honestly don't think I could be passionate about any college major.

that's why i'm not in school. i want to do something more with my life. people feel some kind of obligation to go to college because society paints this picture of a "successful person" being someone who goes to college, while simultaneously painting alternative methods of success as being too risky or too unrealistic (EDIT: not that what society calls "success" is true success anyway, but that's a whole other can of worms). it drives me crazy. i don't just want "a" "good" "job", i want to live. spending 4-8 years shuffling paperwork isn't an inherent rite of passage into the real world, and it's DEFINITELY not in/of itself a sign of a person's willingness to accept responsibility. if college is the best way to someone's career choice, i... well, the educational system is still flawed beyond repair, but it's what that person would have to do to reach their goals, i guess. but what of those who don't want anything college can offer? we're often assumed to be some lower class of people, an unwillingness to compromise righteous principles to conform to society's preconceived ideas of a "responsible/mature adult" causing the rest of humanity to look down on us somehow. life is full of so many fascinating things, what are the rest of us doing in living it so blandly and merely fantasizing about improving it, through audio-visual escapism?

when i'm over this sickness (or it could just be allergies for all i know), what else is going to prevent me from dancing down a street instead of chuckling at a GIF of somebody else doing it? what else is going to have me continuously marvel at the various places on planet Earth from the comfort of my home, instead of visiting them for myself?

I hope you feel better 36, and I hope you can do what you enjoy.

thanks, Mr. John. i don't have as much to say in response to this message, but it's still very appreciated.

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Stormy · Mar 10, 2015 6:20 PM

So many people are pressured into going to college immediately out of high school, and I hate it. I hate absolutely everything about it.

I went to college and got a degree, yes, but I feel very strongly that this is pressure is a big problem with our culture right now. I really didn't need to go to college, at least not right away. Plenty of people in my field are self-taught and do just fine. Even if I had worked for a year or so out of high school, learned some skills on my own, and then went to college, I would have gotten better training though experience and had much less debt to pay. But when I was in high school, all the adults in my life made it sound like there was no other option and that college was absolutely required as soon as you graduate.

I'm not saying I had no responsibility for choosing the path I did, but I was lead heavily in that direction and really felt like there was no other option if I wanted to seem successful to everyone else. I think a lot of kids in high school are like I was and have no idea what they want yet, and if teachers really cared about helping them more than they cared about improving their school's statistics, they should let kids know they have options and can take time outside the context of school to explore their interests and possible careers. In my case, I was a dumb kid who just wanted to get out of her parents' house and couldn't see past that enough to make the decision to go my own way.

You know it's a crappy system when college is supposed to take four years, but many students are spending five or six because they didn't know what major they wanted to do right away, ended up changing halfway through, and didn't have enough credits in their new major by the end of their fourth year. High school teachers kept telling me "Oh, you don't need to know what you're going to major in right away! Just take some gen eds for the first few years and decide later!" But these idiots had no idea what they were talking about, and I doubt they even cared. If I had taken their stupid advice, I would have been completely screwed and might still be in college right now with thousands of dollars more debt.

I didn't even like my major that much and discovered in my second or third year that I would rather be in graphic design instead, but I knew it was too late to switch. I would have been throwing money down the drain at that point.

And the fact that there's so much pressure surrounding this is what makes tuition costs stupidly high. And now that everyone's going to college, employers are just getting lazy and requiring a college degree so they don't have to interview as thoroughly, making college seem like even more of a requirement. It's just an endless, useless cycle. I swear, it seems like employers will soon be requiring Masters degrees for secretary jobs and bachelor's degrees for retail.

And NOW college is in such high demand thanks to all of this that people want to make community college free and are saying college is a "human right." Are you kidding me? So many people are already picking useless majors to begin with, and they think making their stupid decisions "free" is going to help anything? It's just going to waste everyone else's money and make people have to think even less than they already do about their futures because it's someone else's money on the line. Enabling people to get a communications or sociology degree is not going to help their futures in the slightest. And it's going to keep reenforcing the ridiculous notion that college is a requirement for everyone on earth and fuel the cycle of high tuition costs even more.

What was wrong with apprenticeships? What's wrong with learning skills on your own without some annoying professor trying to force irrelevant political opinions down your throat while you try to learn? Why are high schools so useless now that they aren't enough to adequately prepare people for the "real world"?

Blargh.

Swaffy · Mar 10, 2015 8:24 PM

Read all of it. And yeah I'm noticing most (if not all) of that in my part of the world. I did programming because I thought it was something I'm good at, it's my dad's carreer, it can make good money, etc. But now I'm in this semi-grey zone where I just don't know if I want to do that. My original plan was to go to university and get a Batchelor's but I made a choice not to. Because it isn't real-world experience. And a lot of programming junk can just be Googled.

Stormy · Mar 10, 2015 10:02 PM

Thanks for reading, haha, I know it was pretty long. tongue

That's pretty much where I was about programming. It just frustrates me so much that I can't deal with it sometimes, and even when it doesn't, it's not like I love it or anything. I figured I couldn't give up on it because I'd already committed to it. But yeah, a lot of great programmers are completely self-taught and wouldn't need college at all.

That's another thing: not only are half the available majors in college useless, the ones that aren't useless won't necessarily be a good fit for you. I think there's a myth that everyone is passionate about something, and that something can always be turned into a career. I know I used to hear that a lot, and it just confused me even more, like something must have been wrong with me because I couldn't find a subject in school that was my "passion."

RangerOfIthilien · Mar 10, 2015 11:05 PM

Yeah I don't like the "do what you love" mentality. If you can find a job in something you love that's fantastic but you have to be realistic too. If you love tennis, the chances of making a career out of it are next to nothing. That does not mean you can't still have it as a hobby.

I think a better thing to tell kids as advice is to get a job in something that you can make a comfortable earning in that makes you proud of yourself. The activities you love would most likely be better off as hobbies. For example, if you're my made up tennis lover, maybe you happen to be really good at carpentry. Don't aspire to become a famous tennis player, become a carpenter instead who plays tennis with his friends/family on the weekends.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Mar 11, 2015 2:28 PM

KingLambda wrote:

Yeah I don't like the "do what you love" mentality. If you can find a job in something you love that's fantastic but you have to be realistic too. If you love tennis, the chances of making a career out of it are next to nothing. That does not mean you can't still have it as a hobby.
I think a better thing to tell kids as advice is to get a job in something that you can make a comfortable earning in that makes you proud of yourself. The activities you love would most likely be better off as hobbies. For example, if you're my made up tennis lover, maybe you happen to be really good at carpentry. Don't aspire to become a famous tennis player, become a carpenter instead who plays tennis with his friends/family on the weekends.

i disagree with that 100%. if your primary concern when picking what you're doing every week for the rest of your life is what you're earning with it in earthly mammon, you're looking at it completely the wrong way.

besides, that kind of mentality is what keeps people from going against the grain and accomplishing things. it's the people who didn't stay in that comfort zone who changed things.

Stormy · Mar 11, 2015 5:15 PM

I think there's probably a middle ground here.

If you can get your dream job and make a living off of it, great! You're lucky.

But if you're not, you're going to spend a ton of time at your career each week, so it should be something you at least don't actively hate, even if it's not your dream. But instead of being complacent with a sort-of-okay job, if you have a dream, you should be working towards that in your free time so that one day you can maybe make a living off of it. And if you can't get it to that point, at least you're spending some time doing what you love outside of work.

I don't think there's any sense not working at all if you can't get a job you love right away (or ever). There are other concerns besides just material things involved here, like basic living expenses, or providing for a family. Sometimes you have to settle.

I'm going to get a little bit off-topic here. We've always been told "You can do anything if you just believe in yourself," but the fact is, no, you really can't. All people have strengths and weaknesses, and there are things some people literally will not ever be able to do. This shouldn't be depressing; it's just how things are. Actually, I think it's even more depressing to think that mentality is true, work your butt off for something unobtainable, and then beat yourself up when you can't do it.

Like, for example, no amount of believing in myself is going to make me a professional NFL football player when I'm a woman. tongue

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Mr. John · Mar 11, 2015 10:36 PM

I know how you guys feel. There is just some things we can't achieve we can try. But we may not be able to complete everything. Trying and knowing you did your best is good enough for me. For certain things. Just being content with the job. You have is sometimes how it has to be. But you should still chase your dreams.

Paranoia · Mar 12, 2015 11:35 PM

that's why i'm not in school. i want to do something more with my life. people feel some kind of obligation to go to college because society paints this picture of a "successful person" being someone who goes to college, while simultaneously painting alternative methods of success as being too risky or too unrealistic (EDIT: not that what society calls "success" is true success anyway, but that's a whole other can of worms). it drives me crazy. i don't just want "a" "good" "job", i want to live. spending 4-8 years shuffling paperwork isn't an inherent rite of passage into the real world, and it's DEFINITELY not in/of itself a sign of a person's willingness to accept responsibility. if college is the best way to someone's career choice, i... well, the educational system is still flawed beyond repair, but it's what that person would have to do to reach their goals, i guess. but what of those who don't want anything college can offer? we're often assumed to be some lower class of people, an unwillingness to compromise righteous principles to conform to society's preconceived ideas of a "responsible/mature adult" causing the rest of humanity to look down on us somehow. life is full of so many fascinating things, what are the rest of us doing in living it so blandly and merely fantasizing about improving it, through audio-visual escapism?

Okay, so here's the thing--I agree with you. The society we live in has its priorities wrong. Money trumps pretty much every other interest, and it's hard to argue that it doesn't. The education system we have now is for profit, making people take out loans, and pay thousands of dollars so we can hopefully work at some corporate workplace that also works for solely for the pursuit of profit.

But that is whats really tough. You are living in the here and now, so you have to work with it. This is why some people are viewed as being "lower" than others is because they aren't trying their hardest to make the most of the situation. Motivation is really hard, especially when you're in a place in your life where you just don't see the point of school, working, and all that (trust me, we've all been there, to different degrees). But if you can go out, learn a trade, go to school for a bit, or just work at a job and start working towards becoming independent, that allows you some freedom to be able to pursue the things you want. There must be something that interests you that you could work towards building a career (or at least a hobby) off of. Then maybe you can try to go against that system, and pursue something that really matters to you. College isn't a necessity, but nowadays a degree seems to be required for a large portion of the job market, which sucks. When I look a year into the future and I'm out of school, I'm not sure where I'll be. But facing the fact that I'm going to have to work something out to make a living is very important. The fact that I could fall back on my parents to help with finances and housing is a luxury that not everybody has, so I'm going to try my hardest to become independent out of respect for those people and for myself.

edit: I hope you don't take this the wrong way. I don't know your life, and I'm certainly not passing judgement on you at all. I'm just typing my thoughts as I go in an attempt to be helpful/informative.

RangerOfIthilien · Mar 13, 2015 1:37 AM

36IStillLikeSpyro36 wrote:

KingLambda wrote:
Yeah I don't like the "do what you love" mentality. If you can find a job in something you love that's fantastic but you have to be realistic too. If you love tennis, the chances of making a career out of it are next to nothing. That does not mean you can't still have it as a hobby.
I think a better thing to tell kids as advice is to get a job in something that you can make a comfortable earning in that makes you proud of yourself. The activities you love would most likely be better off as hobbies. For example, if you're my made up tennis lover, maybe you happen to be really good at carpentry. Don't aspire to become a famous tennis player, become a carpenter instead who plays tennis with his friends/family on the weekends.
i disagree with that 100%. if your primary concern when picking what you're doing every week for the rest of your life is what you're earning with it in earthly mammon, you're looking at it completely the wrong way.
besides, that kind of mentality is what keeps people from going against the grain and accomplishing things. it's the people who didn't stay in that comfort zone who changed things.

I never said the primary concern is what you earn, I said it's whether that thing makes you proud of yourself. When I said comfortable earning I meant liveable, not luxury. No matter what your ideals may be you are going to need money to survive, there is no getting around that.

As far as going against the grain and accomplishing things, not everyone is meant to, or even wants to, do that. My advice is not for the people who do, it's for people who want to live a comfortable and fulfilling life within the system that is currently in place. I wouldn't know what advice to give to those who want to change the system, because I am not one of them. I am perfectly fine with going to my job every weekday and coming home to my family knowing that I just helped put food on the table by using a skill of mine that I know I am good at, and that makes me feel good about myself.

I have some ideals that are against the way the American economy works, and I battle them on a small scale, but I feel no desire to escape the "day job" life, because it works, it allows me and my family to live happily, and I feel accomplished doing it.

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Stormy · Mar 13, 2015 2:28 AM

Not going to lie, it would be totally awesome to be completely self-sustaining and not have to ever pay for anything. I'd love to see someone find a way to make that work someday. Maybe someone can discover an island that no government has claimed yet and start a settlement or something.

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