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Aceedwin · Dec 09, 2011 11:35 PM

Awesome! They put some extra glitter on the battle system from the prequel that nobody liked. Joyous times are upon us.

Clock-la · Dec 09, 2011 11:53 PM

HORRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! big_smile GLITTER!!!!

So...FFX-2 looks bad i pressume for ur reaction?

Aceedwin · Dec 10, 2011 12:08 AM

Nah, FF X-2 was kind of cool in its lack of seriousness. And it at least wasn't automatic. Not to mention a decently sized job system. Blended with the fanservice to boot.

Latias fan · Dec 10, 2011 2:35 AM

X-2 sucks my left nut hard. The story was bad. The music was bland as hell. They ruin the charcters personalitys from the first game. And the fanservice was the bad kind of fanservice. Watching Yuna give a massage to Leblanc and watching Leblanc *bleep* was not what I want in a FF game.

Say what you want about XIII-2 It at least is trying to be serious unlike X-2.That and the time travel system is like Radiant Historia which is my GOTY.

Swaffy · Dec 10, 2011 3:23 AM

Is there anything you like about that game, LF?
You're being very ... negative.

Aceedwin · Dec 10, 2011 1:02 PM

Latias fan wrote:

X-2 sucks my left nut hard. The story was bad. The music was bland as hell. They ruin the charcters personalitys from the first game. And the fanservice was the bad kind of fanservice. Watching Yuna give a massage to Leblanc and watching Leblanc *bleep* was not what I want in a FF game.
Say what you want about XIII-2 It at least is trying to be serious unlike X-2.That and the time travel system is like Radiant Historia which is my GOTY.

Which personalities? Yuna is learning to get away from her life of forced responsibilities, but still can't help but help everyone around her if she can. And then she hides it by trying to charge for her services, almost as an afterthought. Rikku never had a personality beyond "Hey, I'm basically the most useful character in the game. And I'm angry at my dad." Everyone else is a side-character.

But yeah, pretty much everything else I agree with. Although I found the massage minigame pretty hysterical. But the point was that the combat was fun, the leveling was simple but with some level of possibility, and the combat gameplay is pretty much critical to the game's quality.

There were three problems with FF XIII. It started with a twenty-hour or something long dungeon. The combat was basically automatic if you wanted to play quickly to get through said twenty-hour or something long dungeon. And at any given time, at least half of the main cast were horribly unlikeable. And already I see that one of those problems has persisted.

Clock-la · Dec 10, 2011 1:20 PM

Latias fan wrote:

X-2 sucks my left nut hard. The story was bad. The music was bland as hell. They ruin the charcters personalitys from the first game. And the fanservice was the bad kind of fanservice. Watching Yuna give a massage to Leblanc and watching Leblanc *bleep* was not what I want in a FF game.
Say what you want about XIII-2 It at least is trying to be serious unlike X-2.That and the time travel system is like Radiant Historia which is my GOTY.

WKC 2 has time travil, tough its pritty bad Eg in greede you go 40 years to the past, the counts young and stuff yet all the town MPC's are exacly the same XD it made me lol

Latias fan · Dec 10, 2011 2:26 PM

Aceedwin wrote:

Latias fan wrote:
X-2 sucks my left nut hard. The story was bad. The music was bland as hell. They ruin the charcters personalitys from the first game. And the fanservice was the bad kind of fanservice. Watching Yuna give a massage to Leblanc and watching Leblanc *bleep* was not what I want in a FF game.
Say what you want about XIII-2 It at least is trying to be serious unlike X-2.That and the time travel system is like Radiant Historia which is my GOTY.
Which personalities? Yuna is learning to get away from her life of forced responsibilities, but still can't help but help everyone around her if she can. And then she hides it by trying to charge for her services, almost as an afterthought. Rikku never had a personality beyond "Hey, I'm basically the most useful character in the game. And I'm angry at my dad." Everyone else is a side-character.
But yeah, pretty much everything else I agree with. Although I found the massage minigame pretty hysterical. But the point was that the combat was fun, the leveling was simple but with some level of possibility, and the combat gameplay is pretty much critical to the game's quality.
There were three problems with FF XIII. It started with a twenty-hour or something long dungeon. The combat was basically automatic if you wanted to play quickly to get through said twenty-hour or something long dungeon. And at any given time, at least half of the main cast were horribly unlikeable. And already I see that one of those problems has persisted.

I assume the 20 hour long dungeon refers to chapters 1-10. Really It's not even one long dungeon(that would have bothered the *bleep* outta me) It's just a bunch of different areas. They made it interesting by having the battles be really engageing and change the charcters perspective every chapter like in FF9. I thought the battle system was the best in the series. It was fast-paced,Buffs and Debuffs were actually useful for a change. And I

Latias fan · Dec 10, 2011 2:30 PM

The Crystaruim was better than the Sphere grid in FFX. I guess It would be automatic if you just mash x but you can just really manually select the ablities you use. And franklly It's the most preferred way.

@Clock-la: Wow really? Thats dumb

Aceedwin · Dec 10, 2011 5:05 PM

Latias fan wrote:

I assume the 20 hour long dungeon refers to chapters 1-10. Really It's not even one long dungeon(that would have bothered the *bleep* outta me) It's just a bunch of different areas. They made it interesting by having the battles be really engageing and change the charcters perspective every chapter like in FF9. I thought the battle system was the best in the series. It was fast-paced,Buffs and Debuffs were actually useful for a change.

Practically speaking, the game was a long tunnel. When you looked over the city skyline, you were looking at somewhere you couldn't go. Like a little window in your giant tunnel. There was no openness outside of Pulse. Just the occasional detour to pick up a hi-potion or something.

The character perspective thing would be fine if the characters were any good. You had Sazh and Lightning who were pretty awesome, and then Lightning got all soppy and maternal over Hope, the worst character in any FF, in my opinion. Tidus had nothing on that whiny, self-pitying whelp.

The battle system was terrible, and I'll tell you why. Because you were sitting there, after five hours of samey battles, until you gave into despair and used the automatic option. You couldn't control your super-conservative and predictable AI. And the options you had were so limited. How many actions were there for the entire game? I'd be suprised if it was more than thirty.

Finally, there is no way in hell you will convince me that the crystarium was better than the sphere grid. The sphere grid rewrote the rules on levelling up. It was like playing a complex game. Whereas the crystarium was a small step up from TLOS' levelling system.

Clock-la · Dec 10, 2011 5:19 PM

Latias fan wrote:

The Crystaruim was better than the Sphere grid in FFX. I guess It would be automatic if you just mash x but you can just really manually select the ablities you use. And franklly It's the most preferred way.
@Clock-la: Wow really? Thats dumb

i guess but still, Changing the whole of the NPC's to 40 years in the past would be a bit..well pointless due to the fact its more o less you go to the past you leave grede.

Latias fan · Dec 11, 2011 3:46 AM

Aceedwin wrote:

Latias fan wrote:
I assume the 20 hour long dungeon refers to chapters 1-10. Really It's not even one long dungeon(that would have bothered the *bleep* outta me) It's just a bunch of different areas. They made it interesting by having the battles be really engageing and change the charcters perspective every chapter like in FF9. I thought the battle system was the best in the series. It was fast-paced,Buffs and Debuffs were actually useful for a change.
Practically speaking, the game was a long tunnel. When you looked over the city skyline, you were looking at somewhere you couldn't go. Like a little window in your giant tunnel. There was no openness outside of Pulse. Just the occasional detour to pick up a hi-potion or something.
The character perspective thing would be fine if the characters were any good. You had Sazh and Lightning who were pretty awesome, and then Lightning got all soppy and maternal over Hope, the worst character in any FF, in my opinion. Tidus had nothing on that whiny, self-pitying whelp.
The battle system was terrible, and I'll tell you why. Because you were sitting there, after five hours of samey battles, until you gave into despair and used the automatic option. You couldn't control your super-conservative and predictable AI. And the options you had were so limited. How many actions were there for the entire game? I'd be suprised if it was more than thirty.
Finally, there is no way in hell you will convince me that the crystarium was better than the sphere grid. The sphere grid rewrote the rules on levelling up. It was like playing a complex game. Whereas the crystarium was a small step up from TLOS' levelling system.

I like all the characters in the game(Except Hope I can completely agree with you that he is the worst character in the FF series.) I think my personal favorites are Snow, Sazh and Lightning.

I never gave in too this "despair" you speak of. And the A.I turns awesome when you use Libra and they use ablities the enemies were weak against. Which is another thing I love about the battle system. Scanning enemies were actually useful.

Really the Sphere Grid and the Crystarruim are exactly the same. Cept the Crystarruim actually just shows you, you'll be following one path to the end to level up. In FFX the Sphere Grid tricks you into thinking It has depth by making It seem huge. Even though the characters will just follow along one predetermined path. Yes I know you can "break" into another characters path but why the *bleep* would you want to do that? Why would I want to have, Lets say Tidus to go to Lulus path to learn black magic when Tidus's magic stat sucks hard anyway?

Aceedwin · Dec 11, 2011 4:10 PM

Latias fan wrote:

I like all the characters in the game(Except Hope I can completely agree with you that he is the worst character in the FF series.) I think my personal favorites are Snow, Sazh and Lightning.
I never gave in too this "despair" you speak of. And the A.I turns awesome when you use Libra and they use ablities the enemies were weak against. Which is another thing I love about the battle system. Scanning enemies were actually useful.
Really the Sphere Grid and the Crystarruim are exactly the same. Cept the Crystarruim actually just shows you, you'll be following one path to the end to level up. In FFX the Sphere Grid tricks you into thinking It has depth by making It seem huge. Even though the characters will just follow along one predetermined path. Yes I know you can "break" into another characters path but why the *bleep* would you want to do that? Why would I want to have, Lets say Tidus to go to Lulus path to learn black magic when Tidus's magic stat sucks hard anyway?

Sazh was cool, Snow was cliche and Lightning got boring once she softened up. Everyone else was boring and excessively cliched. Snow was basically bloody Naruto except with a bandana. Vanille was your typical stepford smiler (oh TVtropes, you so mind-warping), and Fang, Fang did bugger all for most of the game. Except get slapped. That's all I remember from her, that she got smacked. Says something about her impact as a character, even with my bad memory.

I didn't say the AI wasn't effective, just really conservative and predictable. They'd never take a risk, and it would kill your party when you're underlevelled. And don't get me started on the idea that you lose when the leader goes down. That's such rubbish in a game where five goblins can just decide to swarm you with no warning and take you down in a quick burst pummel.

So you were okay with about four hundred battles where you got no new abilities? Synergists and Saboteurs got better, but no one else did. Your tactics never changed really, except to allow slightly more time for buffing. Even X-2 got abilities that changed how you played.

I cannot comprehend how you think anything you say about the sphere grid could be even slightly right. Tidus' magic isn't great? Get some of Lulu's magic stat spheres. Wow that was simple. Kimahri is an example of someone who definitely does not have a single pre-determined path. You start off with three different directions to go with him, if I remember correctly, not including directions that are cut off early. And what about all those sphere types? You could use a special sphere to give Tidus firaga once Lulu got if, if you were so inclined. You could change a weak sphere into a completely different one. It took ages, but it was not simplistic in any shape or form.

Latias fan · Dec 11, 2011 5:14 PM

Fang and Vanille pretty much startted the events in the game when they woke up. Also have you played any Shin Megami Tensai game they also had that whole leader dies game over thing.And franklly It was worse there. Some random enemy can just hit your weakness,Taking massive damage and giving the enemy an extra turn to possibly finish your *bleep* off. Loseing possibly 1-2 hours of dungeon crawling. It's even more ridiculous in Arcana where if any of your human charcters die It's game over. So really FFXIII game over isn't that obsene. Cides if you get a game over you litterally appear right near the place you die. So It's not really a big deal. Every class gives you new ablities. There just auto-ablities though like Launch. Breaking into another charcters path is pointless though. Kimarhi is pretty much the only charcter you want too do this so you can get Rikkus ablities for him in the early game. Grantted other than that hes useless. Like I said It's pointless to go into another chartcers path because It's not nesscary. You might as well just have everyone go on their specific paths because that's what they excel at. And you don't really need it to finish the game

Clock-la · Dec 11, 2011 5:39 PM

Went online on WKC 2, it seems im the only n00b xD

Aceedwin · Dec 11, 2011 6:01 PM

Latias fan wrote:

Fang and Vanille pretty much started the events in the game when they woke up. Also have you played any Shin Megami Tensai game they also had that whole leader dies game over thing. And frankly It was worse there. Some random enemy can just hit your weakness, taking massive damage and giving the enemy an extra turn to possibly finish your *bleep* off. Losing possibly 1-2 hours of dungeon crawling. It's even more ridiculous in Arcana where if any of your human characters die it's game over. So really FFXIII's game over isn't that obsene. 'Sides if you get a game over you literally appear right near the place you die. So it's not really a big deal. Every class gives you new ablities. They're just auto-ablities though like Launch. Breaking into another characters path is pointless though. Kimahri is pretty much the only character you want too do this so you can get Rikkus ablities for him in the early game. Granted other than that he's useless. Like I said it's pointless to go into another character's path because it's not necessary. You might as well just have everyone go on their specific paths because that's what they excel at. And you don't really need it to finish the game

Fixed. So many fixes were fixed.

Fang and Vanille did stuff. Doesn't make them interesting.

Stalin did worse things than Saddam Hussein, therefore Saddam Hussein was fine. That's the extension of your reasoning (up yours, Godwin). Just because it can be done worse, doesn't make it all fine and dandy.

Launch is automatic for all commandos, it's not unlockable. Commando has a few abilities but, as you said they're automatic, so again, no change in actual tactics. Except maybe you send out an attack combo early to get that bonus that occurs just before a stagger runs out. The point is that your tactics never change. They're always either zerg rush or build a castle of buffs and build up a chain. And nothing changes this (maybe death, but really? A 1% chance to kill for one character isn't a huge change to your line-up).

Necessary doesn't matter. The sphere grid was fun, if your tastes were so inclined. The crystarium was not, unless your taste were inclined to holding down a button.

Yuna should get some of Lulu's abilities, and maybe some of Kimahri's health. Rikku could do with a few of Tidus' attacks. Tidus works well with Auron's abilities and stats. And Auron is too slow and inaccurate, so Wakka's line helps him out.

You don't get that much choice early on, maybe, but eventually, once locks are broken, you can start pumping up your characters big time. Which you'll need to do if you want to take down Penance.

Clock-la · Dec 11, 2011 9:03 PM

Can we stop the FF talk it bors me.

Latias fan · Dec 11, 2011 9:58 PM

Unless your playing the NA version of FFX. In which case you can't even fight Penace or any of the dark aeons. I really hope the HD version will have the fight.

Aceedwin · Dec 11, 2011 10:12 PM

It was kind of annoying for me, because I was critically underlevelled, and twinking out like all hell, so I couldn't go anywhere without the dark aeons owning my sorry *bleep*.

Latias fan · Dec 11, 2011 10:37 PM

Ha. Can't wait to fight em.

Clock-la · Dec 11, 2011 11:09 PM

Merry Christmass big_smile

Ok i hate the princess Franchise, but I kind of like this song tongue

jmacguire · Dec 14, 2011 6:57 AM

I read a novel Angels and demons tomorrow. It is interesting

Clock-la · Dec 14, 2011 6:12 PM

Im reading Alice in Wonderland

Latias fan · Dec 19, 2011 4:12 AM

Hello wasteland. It's me Three-Dog AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Bringing you all the latest news your little hearts can handle.

First a new trailer for Final Fantasy XIII-2 has come out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … 8M1dJdlU0#

Was already excited for it. Now it doubleed(ToWnZ)

Next bit of news. The Dearly Beloved theme for KHDDD has come out.

I still think Re:Coded had the best Dearly Beloved theme. But this ones great too.

And that's all the time I got kids. This is Three-Dog AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! signing off. Till then have some music.

Clock-la · Dec 19, 2011 11:48 AM

I can't wait till you get banned again big_smile -Shot-

STILL MERRY CHRISTMASS

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