About Cynder and Fans...

Jay Tanoshi · Aug 22, 2009 1:08 AM

Before I begin, I want to apologize to everyone, including the staff members if this rant shows any signs of breaking the rules. This rant is not to be targeted toward a specific person and in no way, trying to be offensive. However, if such a problem occurs, I can understand, and ridding this topic is understandable. Also, this is a long read. You've been warned...

Okay...
Lately, I've been looking at all the hatred Cynder is getting. Some, I can put some understanding into, but some, are just blown completely out of proportion. I just feel that I need to type this out for some to see. This is not trying to defend Cynder and her fans, but it's more trying to bring it down to the point on certain aspects. Remember, this is my opinion, respect it.

Okay, the first thing is her designs. There's 3: Dark, Young, and Older. The main thing that seem to be getting people is that she has developed her jewelry while frozen for 3 years. Okay, I admit, the developers should've thought that out. But, just asking out of curiosity, but didn't the developers change for the series? If so, it's kinda understandable, but however...it still does lead to a plothole. My guess is that the developers had a different view on Cynder. I guess you can kind of say it's like the newer Crash Bandicoot games, but in the end, does lead to something bad...

One thing that comes to mind is ever since Dawn of the Dragon, Cynder has been labeled, a Mary Sue. While specifically, she is a "Angsty Sue," it wasn't Dawn of the Dragon that caused it. It was The Eternal Night. An Angsty Sue is someone who possibly had a tragic past and feels guilty about it for a while, usually resulting in the main character trying to convince him/her otherwise.

Y'see? Cynder in The Eternal Night was depressed not too long after the events of A New Beginning, which lead her to leave the Temple. I may be inaccurate, but also that she knew the Dark Master was out before TEN ended. Specifically, what I mean is, Cynder was a Sue to begin with after being turned back to normal, but most people probably didn't say anything until the fans came up or didn't say anything till people mentioned it. Trust me, I could name a lot of characters who are Mary Sues/Gary Stus right now if I wanted too, but some people will defend him/her because how "awesomesauce" that character is.

Personality. This is pretty much a double sided dice here, or whatever you wish to call it. Dark Cynder was of course, dark and evil and showed no mercy, no doubt. Young Cynder showed signs of guilt and depression due to her actions, even if it wasn't her fault. She wised up a bit in Dawn of the Dragon, developing a bit more of a personality, but still had the scars of her past.

The problem here is that people think 3 years is too sudden for her to develop any new personalities. Really, after 3 years and you're still so depressed, something's wrong (no offense). Some people wish she stayed dark and depressed instead of gaining any positive attitudes. Wouldn't having a always depressed character with you all the time kind of ruin the factor in the game? I mean, even she has to be positive too, right?

Also, voices. There's Cree, Whitman, and Ricci. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Though, I kind of want to talk about Ricci. While I do believe there was no exact reason to change her voice, the fact it was her first time voice acting does mean she probably wasn't going to do a good job. While it is unknown is Ricci is going to continue voice acting Cynder for now on, but the thing is, you kind of have to give her time to develop. Cree and Whitman are professionals. Ricci ain't, however, if she continues voice acting and practicing, she can develop and get better. Look at Jason A. Griffith for example from the Sonic the Hedgehog series. His voice was rather...unemotional for Sonic sometimes, but as time developed, specifically around 2007, he showed signs of improving. In Sonic Unleashed, in my opinion, is where he improved the most. Hopefully though, if Ricci does continue, she'll be able to get better, quicker.

Lastly, here's the major factor:
"Cynder is sexy!" "Dude, she's underaged!" "So, she's still hot."

First off, the age thing. The thing is really, as far as I know, we do not, repeat, DO NOT have any official confirmation about how old she is, do we? The next best or worst thing is the Wendy's Kids Meals TEN toys, which had both Spyro, Cynder, and Sparx's age at the time, which was 15. If, and only IF they were indeed 15 during The Eternal Night, and were frozen for 3 years, it means they were 18. That's not underaged as far as I know. 18 basically means reaching adulthood. Appearances don't always play a factor. Some may not grow a beard or any kinds of facial hair at 18, or they might not be as tall. What I'm saying is, "don't judge a book by its cover" But, like I said, there's exactly no confirmation on their ages.

Now, the whole Sexy Cynder thing. Most people don't realize is that a lot of non-human like characters can and will be considered sexy. It's a common factor in the Furry Fandom. She wasn't Anthro in terms of body, but she technically, still had the "figure" of a female. A lot of Non-Anthro characters are considered sexy. I mean, look at Spyro! I've been around, and I've seen numerous pictures of Spyro trying to be sexy, whether people tried to make him look "Anthro" or not. So, Cynder's not the only one. Also, even though she's non-human, doesn't mean much. Look around. Some people, specifically furries find characters such as Amy Rose (Sonic), Renamon (Digimon), Kyrstal (Star Fox), the list goes on. It's not just Cynder...

Don't also forget, people can manipulate the character's appearance, and some aren't even die hard Cynder fans. Some draw Cynder with a more feminine looking figure. It's possible people think she's sexy cause of that. Also, don't think it's just the DotD Cynder that gets this kind of attention. Dark Cynder does as well...

Lastly, if Cynder is indeed not an adult, but a teenager, it's not that creepy to consider her sexy. The thing is really, a lot of fans are probably close to her age as well. I'm just saying this is because think about it: When you're 13...14, whatever, and you see someone who is probably the same age as you or even older, or even a year or two off, you might think that person is hot. Nothing wrong with that right? Also, some people think that Jake Long is sexy, in or out of his Dragon Form. Think about it...

What I'm saying is, if you don't like how some people love Cynder and such, best to ignore it. While people may blame the fans for ruining the series, it's not always their fault. It can be some of your fault too. You're reacting negatively to their responses on they like/love Cynder and causing a fuss, which can also result in them to keep going on about it. While I admit, I'm involved in a way, I'm just trying to let you guys know. Sadly though, some people may try to provoke Cynder fans with their hateful pictures. Also, really...don't let fans ruin what you like so much. I'm not trying to be offensive, but it just shows a bit of weakness that fans hurt your likings. If I was that way, I wouldn't like Spyro because of the constant complaints about how great/bad the old or even the new series are. Yes, fanboyism/fangirlism is indeed hard to tolerate, but do your best to ignore it.

Also, one other thing...it's not just the Spyro series that's going through the whole thing. It's EVERY fandom that has been made so far. Sonic, Crash, Mario, Mega Man, Twilight, Furry, Anime, the list goes on. It's not just Spyro suffering. But, a lot are still fans and are able to ignore such things. You get what I'm saying? Every fandom has its bad fans, but if you don't try to cause any drama or feed them, things would go a bit smoother, wouldn't it?

Now, what I've just said can have flaws in it. I know I'm not 100% correct. If there's visible flaws in here. Please point them out.

Stormy · Aug 22, 2009 1:38 AM

I hear what you're saying. But I'm going to have to disagree with a couple things.

First, Cynder's personality. If she had one in TEN, I certainly missed it. I have not played DotD, nor do I plan to, but from what I've heard about it it sounds like she pretty much turns into the polar opposite of the Angsty Sue she was in TEN, which can be just as annoying in a character.

Secondly, I disagree that being around Cyndorks shouldn't affect my opinion of her. If all I ever hear about Cynder is "OMG SHES SO TTLY HAWT I LUV HER SHES SEXEH!11," I'm sorry, but that is going to ruin the character for me. She has few positive traits that I can think of to make up for it, so that's basically what comes to my mind when I think of her: the rabid fanboys. To be honest, they've even gotten me to the point where I can barely think the word "Spyro" without being embarrassed that I was once a big fan myself. Maybe that's "weak," but if that's the material I'm fed from the Spyro fandom constantly, that's what it's going to make me think of, and I'm going to like it a lot less.

Anyway, back to Cynder. Another reason I dislike Cynder is because she is so clearly a "fanservice" character with those basketballs-on-a-stick-like proportions. I would be willing to bet that at least a fourth of TLoS' fandom comes from furries/scalies/whatever you call them who think Cynder is the sexiest thing ever and flame anyone who thinks differently. But come to think of it, we can blame the developers for that to some extent, seeing as they designed her that way.

Jay Tanoshi · Aug 22, 2009 1:53 AM

Stormy wrote:

I hear what you're saying. But I'm going to have to disagree with a couple things.
First, Cynder's personality. If she had one in TEN, I certainly missed it. I have not played DotD, nor do I plan to, but from what I've heard about it it sounds like she pretty much turns into the polar opposite of the Angsty Sue she was in TEN, which can be just as annoying in a character.
Secondly, I disagree that being around Cyndorks shouldn't affect my opinion of her. If all I ever hear about Cynder is "OMG SHES SO TTLY HAWT I LUV HER SHES SEXEH!11," I'm sorry, but that is going to ruin the character for me. She has few positive traits that I can think of to make up for it, so that's basically what comes to my mind when I think of her: the rabid fanboys. To be honest, they've even gotten me to the point where I can barely think the word "Spyro" without being embarrassed that I was once a big fan myself. Maybe that's "weak," but if that's the material I'm fed from the Spyro fandom constantly, that's what it's going to make me think of, and I'm going to like it a lot less.
Anyway, back to Cynder. Another reason I dislike Cynder is so clearly a "fanservice" character with those basketballs-on-a-stick-like proportions. I would be willing to bet that at least a fourth of TLoS' fandom comes from furries/scalies/whatever you call them who think Cynder is the sexiest thing ever and flame anyone who thinks differently. But come to think of it, we can blame the developers for that to some extent, seeing as they designed her that way.

OK...

Well, from what I gathered, and I could be inaccurate, Cynder's personality in DotD was while she still carried the scars of being the Dark Master's servant, she has shown a bit more of a positive personality. Seems right for her to be a bit more positive... For example, in Dawn of the Dragon...

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I could be wrong there, but it's been months since I played the game...

What I mean about ignoring fans is like this:

In every fandom, there will always be people who are obsessed about a character, characters, or series. There's no such thing as a fandom without that trait. While ignoring them is indeed hard, it's not impossible. Many fans still like the characters, regardless of how much of a rabid fan some can be. Trust me, I've been a Sonic the Hedgehog fan for more than 10 years, and it's still going strong, regardless of all the rabid fans, lame adult pictures, and stuff like that.

I can't really say for sure that if Cynder is indeed a fan service character, but she really wasn't much of one to some till Dawn of the Dragon. Also, so what if most Cynder fans are indeed furries. It's the same way for numerous fandoms such as Sonic and Crash Bandicoot. Every fandom suffers, not just Spyro's...besides, if she is one, then Coco Bandicot, Krystal, Renamon, and so on are fanservice characters too...(which...is possible, but who knows?)

Kmn483 · Aug 22, 2009 2:26 PM

Jay Tanoshi wrote:

The problem here is that people think 3 years is too sudden for her to develop any new personalities. Really, after 3 years and you're still so depressed, something's wrong (no offense). Some people wish she stayed dark and depressed instead of gaining any positive attitudes. Wouldn't having a always depressed character with you all the time kind of ruin the factor in the game? I mean, even she has to be positive too, right?

Out of all you wrote, this is all I feel I should comment about. Well and the jewlery thing, but I didn't feel like finding that.

The way I feel is that even though they were in the crystal for 3 years, I feel like they shouldn't of aged. Anyone watch avatar? Well he didn't age and in most other fanatasys they don't. Like Fry init should be. futuramia. Age any? And thats how I think it should be. I liked Cynder's looks last game. I don't care for the grown up thing.

Jay Tanoshi wrote:

In every fandom, there will always be people who are obsessed about a character, characters, or series. There's no such thing as a fandom without that trait. While ignoring them is indeed hard, it's not impossible. Many fans still like the characters, regardless of how much of a rabid fan some can be. Trust me, I've been a Sonic the Hedgehog fan for more than 10 years, and it's still going strong, regardless of all the rabid fans, lame adult pictures, and stuff like that.
I can't really say for sure that if Cynder is indeed a fan service character, but she really wasn't much of one to some till Dawn of the Dragon. Also, so what if most Cynder fans are indeed furries. It's the same way for numerous fandoms such as Sonic and Crash Bandicoot. Every fandom suffers, not just Spyro's...besides, if she is one, then Coco Bandicot, Krystal, Renamon, and so on are fanservice characters too...(which...is possible, but who knows?)

Ok another thing to comment about, with every fantasy of your own, there are toher poeple's fanatasies, and sometimes they clash. For instance: My cousin loves Kyrstal from star fox. Well he searched for pics of her and found her in a very unmetionable pose. Well unmentionable because this is for kids but anyway, he was very mad, called it a disgrace, and then found mulitple ones similiar by diffrent people. Well When I was a fan of Ember (before I read about the newer spyro games and replyed the cutscences of the older games with Ember in them....) I was very madd with all the Cynder X Spyro things, now that I know what happened in the games, I'm not angry. But point being poeple have the right to make this srtuff just as much as you have the right to make your own. So everyone that get's *bleep*ed needs to calm down, at leaast its not the real thing, and if it was you vcan be a fan of the old.

Btw what's a furry? my cousin said it was someone who dresses up as animals then makes videos about them doing crap but that doesn't make any sence.

Stormy · Aug 22, 2009 7:21 PM

Hey, Kmn483, I merged your posts for you. Please try not to double post; just edit your last post if you need to make modifications. (:

I never said those characters weren't fanservice characters; in fact, they probably are. Many characters were designed with abnormal, "sexy" (ugh, I hate applying that word to a dragon) proportions to draw in young male fans. One good example is... well, pretty much anime you can think of. The girls all seem to have breasts larger than their heads, freakishly small waists, or both. Cynder is certainly not unique in being designed specifically to look attractive and keep guys interested in the franchise.

I never said it was a bad thing that many of Cynder's fans are furries, either. I said that many of them are RABID, UNHEALTHILY OBSESSED furries (which IS a bad thing) who flame anyone who doesn't agree that their precious Cynder is teh hawtest thing evarz. I added the comment about the furries to add detail to my point about Cynder being a fanservice character. From my point of view, the fact that she has all these fans who would defend her supposed sexiness to the death, combined with the huge chest and hips and tiny waist, makes her a fanservice character. Disagree if you want, but I'm pretty sure, with looks like that, the developers were definitely thinking of the adolescent male audience when they designed Cynder.

And back to the bit about ignoring the fanbase. I really hope this isn't going to start a flame war here, but the fanbase wasn't the only thing that killed it for me. Actually, the release of TLoS started the decline of my enthusiasm, and the insane fanbase just sort of... sped up the process. So basically, it wasn't just the Cyndorks that caused me to dislike her; there was nothing positive about this fandom there for me to begin with. They just made it worse.

As for ignoring them and their fantarded ways, I applaud you for being able to do that, but it would seem that I'm just incapable. There are just too many of them, and I've been around them too long. I no longer really care, anyway.

I have no further comment on Cynder's personality in DotD, since, as I've said, I haven't actually played it. tongue I just based my opinion of her off of what I've heard from both fans and haters of Cynder.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Aug 22, 2009 8:07 PM

i agree with most of what you said in that good, but very long post. especially about the fans ruining people's opinions of Cynder. i actually said something about that yesterday in another topic. why let other people's doings bother your opinion of something else?

btw this doesn't break any rules. it's just expressing your opinion with no flaming. something most people seem to have difficulties grasping. ^^

Jay Tanoshi · Aug 22, 2009 8:53 PM

Wow...okay.

=Kmn483=
Well, while they could've stayed the same. My best bet is considering they switched companies, they had a different view on Cynder. In other words, they probably imagined Cynder with that appearance before DotD (like how the Crash of the Titans/Mind Over Mutant did it). It's just a guess, or maybe the magic Spyro used doesn't stop aging. Who knows?

As for what a Furry is...he's only slightly right, but mostly wrong. Uh...here. Just read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry Wikipedia ain't the best, but...eh. *shrugs*

=Stormy=
In all honesty really, I can't really see how Cynder is considered a fan service character. If she was, she would've been drawn standing on two legs with a rather feminine body with breast and what-not (and/or acting rather flirty). The way I see it is that they tried to make Cynder look female, which is why she looks a bit slender and stuff. Really. I think the whole fan service bit is because of the fans' liking of Cynder...Otherwise, you would say the game is kind of designed for Furries...almost.

I can see Krystal being a fan service character, especially in Star Fox Assault. The fact she's in tigh-...y'know, nevermind. >.>

True, true...there are some people who obsess about certain characters, but every fandom has them. Trust me, if you've heard of something called Sonic Passion, you would want to leave the Sonic Fandom in an heartbeat, but I didn't. I might be slightly adjusted to it though. I mean, I kind of know a guy who loves Exveemon and commissions him numerous times, while another does that for Bowser. Weird, but...eh. Stuff like this happens. I guess I can understand from your point of view about this.

I can put some understanding if you don't like the whole TLoS thing. Heh, I did start playing Spyro when A Hero's Tail (close to Shadow Legacy's release) came out, then A New Beginning, The Eternal Night, then my friend let me borrow his original Spyro games, but my interest didn't hold out long enough since I already changed over in terms of controls and stuff. Still, it was alright, but...yeah.

The main reason though, as far as I know is that Cynder gets so much attention because she is the only female dragoness in the series that doesn't have a rather...stereotypical personality (a.k.a - Ember). I wouldn't really count Elder Magnus (how many STILL think this is a dude???) and Ms. Shoutfire though...

'Sides, about Ember...

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Thanks for the applaud. Though, like I said, it isn't impossible for someone to ignore such fans, but it is indeed tough. Just got to stick to what you like and stuff, y'know?

=36IStillLikeSpyro36=
Hehe, thanks. Yeah, long post. Guess it's a habit. ^^;

cheesypower · Aug 29, 2009 5:35 PM

I will admit this right off the bat, I am a Cynder fan. But guess what? alot of Cynder fans find the "OMG Cynda is HAWT!!" people annoying too! I am a Cynder fan because she is, as has been stated previously, the only dragon female who does not follow Ember's example, and because even though the game designers seriously messed up TEN, DotD, and... actually pretty much the whole trilogy, that doesn't mean they can't make a decent game in the future. I mean, it's only been 3 games so far, and with the recession and everything there were probably budget cuts and such. plus, games like Halo 3 can really steal your thunder, and beat you to a bloody pulp. what I'm trying to say is, give it time. there's still hope that designers will eventually make an awesome game with Cynder still involved, only not as much as a marry sue.

Give it time.

Rurikredwolf · Aug 29, 2009 6:35 PM

I...actually get what your saying with this. It's just that most of the fans (Some are bearable and I am friends with them) but is just the ones who hide in their mother's basement or something and look up pictures that freak me out! I contantly point out her little flaws (lollittle) and everyone blows them off and just cares what pose she's in for the moment. And yes, I think that she is a fanservice character becuase she looks 'sexy' and has the emotional capacity of a Brick. (This is shown when Ignitus dies) and not only that, 3 years of NO AGING turned her into prep *bleep*. I'd like someone to explain how you can have an attitude change after that.

Plus her role in the series is just clitched and overused as hell. TEN = Princess Peach. DotD = somehow turns into Xena.

I'd post more but I am tired.

cheesypower · Sep 01, 2009 12:30 AM

Like I said, I could see why you want her gone. there are major corners being cut here. but I think a better idea is to give Cynder a MAJOR overhaul. I mean, in the next trilogy, she could be more along the lines of lara Croft... but right, that would make her a Fuzzy or whatever. but hey, you get what I'm getting at, right? she's here to stay, so we should probably just hope the designers get it right next time around.

if the next trilogy keeps her "mary sue" attitude, or turns her into a fuzzy, I will be able to tolerate bad-mouthing as a result.

Note I said if they MAKE her a fuzzy. she's not a fuzzy, the designers just wanted a feminine look, and most teenage boys will make comments on anything with wide hips and a pair of legs.

Just saying.

Akon · Sep 01, 2009 10:48 AM

^For future purposes the term is furry, not fuzzy roll ^

I'm pretty sure most people don't want Cynder gone; they just want her to returned to the way she was. If we keep the same developer for future Spyro games, I don't see that happening. What is possible is that they improve upon Cynder's current personality with better voice acting and give her a different role.

cheesypower wrote:

I think a better idea is to give Cynder a MAJOR overhaul.

I personally wouldn't want any more major changes. More changes would just make more unexplained questions and weaken support for new Spyro games.

Cyndersparx · Sep 02, 2009 5:25 PM

Hmmm...yeah, I agree, just two things I need to say...
1. Twilight is terrible. (my opinion)
2. I dont get why the developers would use Christina Ricci as a voice actor if it was her first time. She sounds so unemotional, how could they not realize that? Or maybe they were encouraging her to be betterm but she's just naturally bad. They should've sticked with Mae Whitman, since Cree Summer is a more adult voice actor...thingy.

If there are any new games coming up, I really hope they go back to the original developers, and maybe come up with a better plot. The characters dont need much improvement.

Saeth · Sep 03, 2009 4:57 AM

I like how people immediately say that she's sexy instead of "Fit". I do have some logic behind some of her features, mostly her chest section, so bear with me here.

If you noticed in DoTD Cynder's Mana capacity is bigger than Spyro's capacity. In real life if you have chest like Cynder's, then you can breathe in really deep because the shape of chest is do to your really, really, big lungs. This is called being Barreled chested (note I haven't seen a pic of Cynder in a while so I could be wrong).

My point is that Cynder is probably naturally born with big lungs, making her able to breathe longer and deeper than Spyro or any other dragon for that matter and explains why her chest is so big (That or she works out behind the Scenes (BTS)).

As for her hind quarters... I'm not sure but I think she can jump higher than Spyro and if she can then let explains that... well ok I can easily deal with her hind quarters being less... *shiver* sexy... bleck...

But I do completely agree, that I don't like how her waist is so thin... I swear if her head is bigger than her waist, then she needs a physical re-design stat!

As for personality... I think she has the potential to be really, epic character. I personally enjoy the fact that she's not overly cliched (But then again all characters in this trilogy are <_< ) character that falls for the hero in this girlie girl fashion... or for the fact that she's not this hot head tomboy of a character.

As for her being fan-service... its possible, really possible that she is... but I've seen worst (Krystal from SF, Candy from Donkey Kong, and more). All in all I like Cynder for that fact that she has oodles of potential inside of her... But I highly doubt that her developers will realize this and she'll suffer like any other character did from this series...

Oh well, might as well light your torches and sharpen your pitch forks wink .

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Scarlett-Fear-Dragon · Sep 03, 2009 7:25 AM

Yes, I admit that Cynder was an Angsty Sue in TEN. What was weird, however, is that in the Spyro cartoon in Pre-TEN she was really happy and bouncy! I think she should have disliked Spyro when she got turned back, and had a love-hate relationship or something. But in DotD...ugh. She was plastic, IMO.

Saeth · Sep 03, 2009 1:54 PM

@ Dracokon:

Hmm, will I guess I should have known better that logic would never work here on the internet *sigh* but you've got to give me credit somewhere, at least I tried roll .

Anyway as I stated previously Cynder, or at least in my own little world, has the potential to be a really cool, independent, and strong willed female character.

Do I think she is here to stay... meh, only because of her looks to be honest. *sigh*, to bad for hear, physical beauty doesn't last forever hmm .

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Stormy · Sep 03, 2009 4:59 PM

Good thoughts, Saeth, but I sort of doubt they'd bother to put that much thought into Cynder's appearance to be honest. We're talking about games that are marketed to kids and teenagers, not biology majors. =P

Saeth · Sep 03, 2009 7:53 PM

@ Dracokon and Stormy:

I think we can all concur on this, Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder. smile

Some people will say she's sexy, and I think that's fairly disturbing in its own right <_<, and others think differently.

As long as the obsession of her is under control then you won't hear a lot from me. Same thing goes from the other side, if you don't like her, good for you smile , and if you do like her, again good for you smile , just don't go radical on me. hmm

cheesypower · Sep 07, 2009 11:19 PM

Saeth wrote:

@ Dracokon and Stormy:
I think we can all concur on this, Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder.
Some people will say she's sexy, and I think that's fairly disturbing in its own right <_<, and others think differently.
As long as the obsession of her is under control then you won't hear a lot from me. Same thing goes from the other side, if you don't like her, good for you , and if you do like her, again good for you , just don't go radical on me.

don't go hatin' a sister, but don't obsess over her.
amen, dude, amen.

Naegling · Sep 08, 2009 1:12 AM

WOW. Now THATs a rant!! you covered a lot of topics. Most of those things were things that I had though about but didnt have the nerve to voice aloud. and you covered the topic of furries. bravo.

My theory of why Spyro and Cynder changed in the crystal. I don't believe they were frozen. I think they were in some sort of hybernation or suspended animation. Like some kind of deep sleep. the crystal they were in suported them much like a life support system. they still grow and age normally.

as for the jewelry on cynder, i just looked at some screenshots of the TEN version and the DotD version. The only things i found different were her body shape looked older and the horns on her head were larger. the symbol on her head did look slightly different though. I saw no jewelry on her.

Aura24 · Sep 08, 2009 4:13 AM

That's because it was the art style of EL, and the idea of Mike Graham and Chris Wilson that made Spyro and Cynder look older in DotD. Spyro and Cynder were still the same size as they were in TEN, and they were frozen in time, which means they were supposed to look the same in their TEN forms, but they're 3 years older.

As for Cynder's iron jewelry, they were planning to add a cutscene where Cynder put back on her, but they didn't have time to add it in. And why Cynder's beak and other body features looks slightly different than what she supposed to look like from ANB and TEN, again, it was the art style of Estranes Libellules. If they grew normally, how come Cynder's beak turned avian-like when it was supposed to look like a beak she had in ANB and TEN and why the horns on her wings turned backwards? The answer again was the art style of EL, their version of Cynder.

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