A severe similarity!

TornWings · Jun 08, 2009 7:49 PM

ratchet wrote:

Me: Everyone knows That DOTD steals Ideas from Lord of the Rings, God of War and Dragon Rage
TLOS fan: WEll there are some similarites....But nothing is original

LOTR has some traits that show up in countless epic tales, seeing as that fits TLOS, that was bound to happen. No arguments about GOW, the quick-time events are definitely from there.

But DR? I doubt it. Consider how long it took the Spyroforum (a board of dragon fans) to learn of its existence. They probably didn't even know about it (they still may not). Also, if they're going to copy other games/films, why copy the failure that DR was (popularly/financially speaking)?

Spyro&Cynder4ever · Jun 08, 2009 10:07 PM

Well, all I know is that LotR and DotD have some severe similarities... hence the topic.

RedDragonX · Jun 08, 2009 10:10 PM

You can debate about this one topic for hours if you want....but they do have severe similarities to the point of dead obviousness.

It's not impossible to avoid cliches but it is possible to tone them down a little bit. I didn't feel that in any way at all while playing DotD.

Spyro&Cynder4ever · Jun 08, 2009 10:15 PM

I can agree to that...

Blaze the Dragon · Jun 09, 2009 12:40 AM

Certainly, they could've used less clichés than they actually did. The one I would've liked not to be there the most was Ignitus' death.

RedDragonX · Jun 09, 2009 1:12 AM

Yeah.....it's never good when you know something is coming a couple months before it even happens 0.o

Spyro&Cynder4ever · Jun 09, 2009 5:21 PM

Entirely predictable.

ratchet · Jun 09, 2009 5:35 PM

TornWings wrote:

ratchet wrote:
Me: Everyone knows That DOTD steals Ideas from Lord of the Rings, God of War and Dragon Rage
TLOS fan: WEll there are some similarites....But nothing is original
LOTR has some traits that show up in countless epic tales, seeing as that fits TLOS, that was bound to happen. No arguments about GOW, the quick-time events are definitely from there.
But DR? I doubt it. Consider how long it took the Spyroforum (a board of dragon fans) to learn of its existence. They probably didn't even know about it (they still may not). Also, if they're going to copy other games/films, why copy the failure that DR was (popularly/financially speaking)?

When Sierra were looking for Other Dragon games, to see what they could come up with, They found Dragon rage, A Small game as it may be. And because They know that Spyro was already popular, They went for it. A cross between Dragon Rage, God of War And lord of ThE rings, Except more kiddier version of all 3 of them. Dragon Rage was rated teen, And that is probably why it failed. Think that most of The Spyro Fanbase is Kids. And Mothers would rather pick up a PG rating for the child. And A Cute dragon that they coukd relate to would be more popular to children anyway.

And If you havn't seen the similarities In Lord of THe rings well.....I cant help you.

Face it, TLOS was NOT an original Idea. And is Full Of cliches and plotholes. One of the stupidest in DOTD was the one where you had to rescue those people from the Fire. You dont try and Use your ice Breath ontghE flames, Or just Fly up and get them. Instead you have to get BUCKETS to put out the flames. They're DRAGONS for Gosh sake. ANYONE could of gotton the buckets.

TornWings · Jun 09, 2009 5:47 PM

I don't buy it. You don't take ideas from what has failed horribly. Especially when you're trying to be as safe as Sierra was.

Recognisable character? Check
Familiar story? Check
Familiar gameplay elements? Check

And DR failed for plenty of other reasons than the T rating.

I wasn't arguing there weren't similarities to LOTR, I was just pointing out that it's full of standard ploys for epic tales, which TLOS is trying to be, so even if it wasn't trying to copy LOTR exactly, it draws on the same themes, and therefore copies it anyway. In other words, I'm agreeing with you, genius.

But of course, you just have to turn it into "Blah blah blah, I'm right, you're wrong, TLOS sucks" when that wasn't even what we were arguing about.

Spyro&Cynder4ever · Jun 09, 2009 5:48 PM

I agree. those cliche's were lame. And you have a very reasonable argument about the ratings for the games and movies...

ratchet · Jun 11, 2009 3:23 PM

TornWings wrote:

I don't buy it. You don't take ideas from what has failed horribly. Especially when you're trying to be as safe as Sierra was.
Recognisable character? Check
Familiar story? Check
Familiar gameplay elements? Check
And DR failed for plenty of other reasons than the T rating.

I think the T rating was the REASON it failed.

I wasn't arguing there weren't similarities to LOTR, I was just pointing out that it's full of standard ploys for epic tales, which TLOS is trying to be, so even if it wasn't trying to copy LOTR exactly, it draws on the same themes, and therefore copies it anyway. In other words, I'm agreeing with you, genius.
But of course, you just have to turn it into "Blah blah blah, I'm right, you're wrong, TLOS sucks" when that wasn't even what we were arguing about.

Sorry, i though you were saying "LOTR" and TLOS both use the same story tactics seen in many epic tales, and so they are not ripping it off, but just doing what is needed to make an epic plot"

which i disagree with

TornWings · Jun 11, 2009 10:43 PM

Have you played it? I don't think you'd be saying that after going through it.

The story is ok, but they never fleshed it out enough. Some attacks/abilities were borderline useless (no point using the standard fireball when the charged one does more damage, fires just as fast, and has splash; Ice and air projectiles are too weak to use generally; The earth shot is good but near impossible to use properly). The graphics are bland, the ground enemies just look bad and move awkwardly. The dragon's controls leave much to be desired and the homing from the eat attack is very touchy. Certain missions are frustrating to the point of controller breaking, and they aren't helped by your ally screaming at you every time something goes wrong.

It's a fun game, but it has/had plenty of problems with it, and I don't think Sierra would be in any hurry to imitate it.

As for the LOTR thing, they could still have made an epic plot without incorporating any of the standard fare for such tales, but they didn't. They were going off what was proven to work, which reinforces my above point.

ratchet · Jun 14, 2009 4:12 PM

I was talking about it generally. The General Idea of making a Dragon game with Elemental abilities. But yes, the game is a bit weird to play. All I'm saying is taht they seem to have played Dragon rage, and Ripped Some of the Ideas from it. The game didn't suck because Of THe Elemental ability, It sucked because of the Teen Rating, the graphics, the controls and such.

TornWings · Jun 17, 2009 6:00 PM

Honestly, I don't think the Teen rating had a big part, if any, in that game's failure... but to get back to the original point...

It's definitely a possibility. I looked up the release dates, and DR came out a good 5 years earlier. The systems are very similar. But I still think it's a longshot to say they were going off of it.

The game didn't do well, and isn't/wasn't very well known as a result, as said earlier, so there is the possibility they didn't even know about it. Considering the element system, in DR, any dragon could control all elements, it's just that the MC was the only free one. In TLOS, they make a big deal about it, which sounds less like DR and more like Avatar (which is better known than DR AND more successful). It shares certain story elements with it as well (MC discovers new elemental power on his own, then goes to find the master to train with so he can master it). So, I think Avatar is a more likely candidate for the source of the elemental system.

ratchet · Jun 22, 2009 1:26 PM

The "chosen one idea" Is just another cliche they used. And When you are making a game it is a good idea to look to other games, even if they were not sold well.
But Really, i've had enough Of discussing Dragon Rage, Theres many other things TLOS ripps off, or simply uses a cliche

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