Older Characters Appearing in Legend of Spyro?

Jay Tanoshi · May 12, 2009 12:35 AM

This is something I've been thinking about for quite some time. I've seen some people pull this off, but I wonder how Sierra would approach it if possible. Thing is, even though the series is now a reboot, I don't think the majority of the cast members should've been scrapped. I think they could find their place into the Legend of Spyro series, even if they barely have a role (aka minor character).

For some, Ember and Flame. The problem here though, is that in A Hero's Tail, they're pretty close to Spyro's age, meaning that they would've been in eggs too, and since almost all the eggs were smashed, they wouldn't exist, but who is to say that those were the only dragon eggs in the whole world? Know what I'm saying? I mean, it's obvious where eggs come from. XP

The Professor...well, he would have a slight species change, but he could still be similar to his original self, but I think his knowledge in technology would take a downgrade since the technology in the series is low, unless he begins inventing it...

Red the Dragon and the other Elders (Tomas, Astor, etc)...umm...well, it could happen, but the problem here would be they may have to go though a quad change, so to say, since there's no dragons in the LoS series that stand on two legs...well, there was one in a cutscene, but that was the only one. Everyone else stood on four legs.

Though, this is all I got. It's just a thought lingering in my head. It is some possibilities, but the chances of it actually happening are rather low.

(I might attempt to draw Ember and Flame in a LoS style someday. Red...don't know. His design is a bit tougher to do)

Grif · May 12, 2009 2:52 AM

I would love to see Sgt. Byrd.

Although I can't imagine what weapons he would use.... a musket?

Jackson117 · May 12, 2009 6:21 AM

Not to metniton i have no idea how Bicana and hunter would work out.

I mean Obviously i get the feelings he's village hates inter species (haters get them)

Spyro.Lover.Forever · May 17, 2009 11:42 AM

Jackson117 wrote:

Not to metniton i have no idea how Bicana and hunter would work out.
I mean Obviously i get the feelings he's village hates inter species (haters get them)

and Elora. It'd actually be funny if Hunter or Sgt. Byrd turned evil or something.

jamieque · May 18, 2009 2:08 PM

Jay Tanoshi wrote:

This is something I've been thinking about for quite some time. I've seen some people pull this off, but I wonder how Sierra would approach it if possible. Thing is, even though the series is now a reboot, I don't think the majority of the cast members should've been scrapped. I think they could find their place into the Legend of Spyro series, even if they barely have a role (aka minor character).

Jamieque: Forgive me for doing this, Jay, but I think it has to be done. This is not to say you are wrong because I understand you like the reboot and are trying to figure out a way to intergrate the original characters into its framework aka (timeline). But the problem is we both know that Sierra... uh sorry I meant Activision... (ugh I REALLY hate the constant changes in owners) will ultimately do something entirely different. The only way this could work is to redo what has already been done and merge the timelines changing both universes slightly to make the merger work. It can be done and I should know considering the plotline of the upcoming LoA films but it won't be...

Not by the OFFICIAL guys anyway...

So that just leave us fans...

Jay Tanoshi wrote:

For some, Ember and Flame. The problem here though, is that in A Hero's Tail, they're pretty close to Spyro's age, meaning that they would've been in eggs too, and since almost all the eggs were smashed, they wouldn't exist, but who is to say that those were the only dragon eggs in the whole world? Know what I'm saying? I mean, it's obvious where eggs come from. XP

Jamieque: Yep, Flame and Ember existing in the Legend of Dragon timeline as it currently exists is pretty much impossible unless they are in either: 1. A different brood/nest of eggs that was hidden away during Gual's raid otherwise they would be dead. 2. Uhhhh.... forget it! We don't even know if there is any other clutches of eggs since there is no info available...

Not yet anyway... although I wouldn't be surprise to see dragons Spyro and Cynder's age somehow materialize in the next games. We both know it is going to happen somehow. It has to otherwise the dragon race just nearly lost an entire generation of potential future dragon guardians/protectors.

As for it being obvious where eggs come from... The original universe did the same thing by using the fairies as an excuse to avoid talking about the umm... TRUE origins of where all the eggs come from. Legend just made it obvious but at the same time avoided answering the question altogether. Then again... there is one nagging question that has to be asked....

Where the hell are all the dragonesses? We only see Cynder and that is troubling considering the race needs to have a health number of females to maintain the population numbers. Spyro and Cynder's generation seems to consist only of Spyro and Cynder only. The LoS games gave no hint of any other young dragons surviving Gual's raid. Which is pretty grim. Sure we saw more adult dragons in the final game but we don't know how many are male or female. There is just too many unknowns and considering how they did the LoS trilogy....

I can't/don't see them actually explaining this one glaring detail away with anything approaching common sense aka concrete answer. Dragon reproduction is not a subject I believe they want to tell little children who are they main focus now. It is basically history repeating itself all over again just minus the fairies this time around. So even if they hint at the females laying the eggs the fact we see no older female dragons anywhere protecting or taking care of the eggs leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The dragons of both realities/universes don't seem to have any hand in actually raising their offspring which is rather surprising considering that the dragon race is intelligent. The only similiarities between the old and new Spyro games is the fact that the young dragons have mentors/teachers who help them with their training when it comes to their elemental powers.

Otherwise... the dragons are no role models when it comes to parenting skills. Some reptiles care for their young while others don't. The dragon species should be amoung the kind that raise their young in protective fashion since the dragons are the main protectors of the world. At least it was sorta hinted at when Hunter pointed that out in Dawn of the Dragon that before Malefor that the dragon race was treated with great respect and honor.

Jay Tanoshi wrote:

The Professor...well, he would have a slight species change, but he could still be similar to his original self, but I think his knowledge in technology would take a downgrade since the technology in the series is low, unless he begins inventing it...

Jamieque: The fact that the moles are already building things just sets up an idea for an ancestor to the Professor and his nephew Blink to exist during the LoS timeline. As for the creation of more advance technology...

We both agree that this would be an excellent starting point for it. The technology of the era is somewhere in the middle ages whereas the original universe fell somewhere in a more transitional stage where there were still elements of the past present at the same time that advanced future tech was slowly appearing. But then again the modern aka original Spyro universe hinted back to a past history that had lost technology.

(Now you see why I came up with the Vanguardian Dragons for my series and the upcoming films).

Which begs the question to be asked...

What happened? The past of the original series never said what happen and the Reboot only hinted at the War Malefor launched against his own people. Wars tend to set technological advances back if the war is destructive enough. The fact that the Legend games aka Eternal Night showed a brief flashback to Malefor's time we can see that the dragons may have been more advanced then they are by Spyro's time.

That being said we also now know more about the purple dragons then before. We now know they are rare/unique/you get my point. The purple dragons have now been established as being literal forces of nature that only come around every now and then when a new age is about to dawn. Malefor brought about an Age of Chaos whereas Spyro did the opposite. Ignitus' statement about nature seeking balance by having Spyro exist as a counter to Malefor. Then again, Legend also screwed things up by saying Malefor was the 'first' purple dragon only to Malefor himself in the final game say he wasn't the first. The Chronicler should have known this but he didn't mention it to Spyro...

Gee, I wonder why...? All this destruction that Malefor caused could have very well set technology back centuries which would explain why the world looks the way it does. Then again the way the Dragon Temple looks kinda gives this fact away as it looks like it needs some maintence... badly.

Jay Tanoshi wrote:

Red the Dragon and the other Elders (Tomas, Astor, etc)...umm...well, it could happen, but the problem here would be they may have to go though a quad change, so to say, since there's no dragons in the LoS series that stand on two legs...well, there was one in a cutscene, but that was the only one. Everyone else stood on four legs.

Jamieque This is rather easy to explain away as the Dragons could have gained new abilities allowing them to shift their bodies from their original four-legged forms to the two legged bipedal forms the elders had in the original storyline. Also there is a very interesting overlooked detail about the originals when it comest to this detail. The two legged dragons are all adult dragons whereas Spyro, Ember and Flame are still dragonlings/whelpings aka children. This shifting ability would therefore come into play as the dragon grew into adulthood. Hey, it is a very believable premise that would make the two realities easy to merge.

I point this out since I use this idea in my Dragon of Destiny series and lets face it the moles couldn't have built everything for the dragons. The dragons had to assist in some way, shape or form. Who made the armor for the Dragons? While it is stated that the moles built Warfang the dragon city in Dawn of the Dragon there is no mention of other dragon cities. I guess using the moles as the species who are the builders of the dragon cities was the only way to make them relevant in the new timeline. However, I am having a hard time believing that the moles built/made many of things that the dragons have.

The dragon race have a history and a dragon who acts as a historian. Usually races who have reached this point of development can build their own cities. But then again everything about the dragons in LoS is so vague that we don't even know the details of their culture, history or society.

Jay Tanoshi wrote:

Though, this is all I got. It's just a thought lingering in my head. It is some possibilities, but the chances of it actually happening are rather low.

Jamieque: I agree with you up to a point. There is just too many plotholes and inconsistencies in the current version of LoS. A reworking of the whole trilogy to tighten up the plot and add some depth to the world and the cast themselves is badly needed. I say this because the excuse behind Malefor's War against his own people is flimsy as hell. What is his true motivation? What really happened to Malefor? Does the Chronilcer know more about Malefor then he is willing to tell Spyro? I don't know about you but there is this strange undercurrent feeling of secrecy flowing through the who trilogy. Even the Chronicler himself seems to know more then he is letting on.

I wonder why...?

[qupte="Jay Tanoshi"](I might attempt to draw Ember and Flame in a LoS style someday. Red...don't know. His design is a bit tougher to do)

ratchet · May 21, 2009 3:38 PM

Sorry But I'd rather they go back to the original timelinea nd include TLOS characters.
However If old characters ARE INCLUDED IN TLOS, PLEASE keep their look and persoanlity. HUnter in DOTD was NOTHING LIKE he was in Spyro 2, absolutely NOTHING LIKE HIM!

T3h0v4llu · May 21, 2009 8:05 PM

I dont think that some particular characters from originals would fit in tLoS with their personalities. What is the point of adding original characters to tLoS if they havent got the same personality than in the originals, anyway?

No.. this Epic (fail) style Spyro wont have anything common with the originals, not anymore.

Jay Tanoshi · May 21, 2009 8:44 PM

Jamieque: Wow, I must say...I'm stunned by your ideas and such. You really know your stuff. I agree with a lot of it. Bravo! Heh, maybe Activision needs to hear this kind of stuff.

As for the dragonesses...yeah. The only guess to fit this is that they live far off from the temple. As for the eggs and such, my guess is that once the dragonesses lay their eggs, they give them to the guardians to hatch and learn to use their abilities and such. Maybe since the guardians are really old and wise (if you can call Volteer and Cyril that...XD), they have more faith in them. Just a guess.

Racthet: While I still don't understand the whole hype about the characters in the first 3, I'll respect your opinion. Personally though, I find the Hunter from A Hero's Tail to be great and humorous, and the Legend of Spyro version...bad***. I also LOVE the design they added to him. The characters don't have to have too much of a change in the newer series, but it all depends on their new roles and such.

T3h0v4llu: Not very positive, are we...? The personalities don't have to change too much, but they would need to fit the more serious atmosphere. They can retain some of their original personalities, but some things may need to be added and such. The last sentence though...yeah, they CAN. It all depends on the developers. They don't have too, but if they want too, they can. Never say never. ^^

ratchet · May 23, 2009 2:18 PM

Personally though, I find the Hunter from A Hero's Tail to be great and humorous, and the Legend of Spyro version...bad***. I also LOVE the design they added to him. The characters don't have to have too much of a change in the newer series, but it all depends on their new roles and such.

Remove the 3 *** and thats my opinion on the new hunter. He's a Gary Stu, Just like Spyro. He shoots crappy bow and arrow shots and hes too serious. Like they could of kept him as a bow man just add a bit of humour to him. There could of been a joke in DOTD where Spyro was the only serious one and they all bullied him. That would of been funny.

Jay Tanoshi · May 23, 2009 2:45 PM

ratchet wrote:

Personally though, I find the Hunter from A Hero's Tail to be great and humorous, and the Legend of Spyro version...bad***. I also LOVE the design they added to him. The characters don't have to have too much of a change in the newer series, but it all depends on their new roles and such.
Remove the 3 *** and thats my opinion on the new hunter. He's a Gary Stu, Just like Spyro. He shoots crappy bow and arrow shots and hes too serious. Like they could of kept him as a bow man just add a bit of humour to him. There could of been a joke in DOTD where Spyro was the only serious one and they all bullied him. That would of been funny.

I really don't see how he is a Gary Stu, dude. I mean, he has his flaws as well. To be honest, if I were in Hunter's shoes...uh, paws, I would be serious too, considering the fact there's a war going on and the world could possibly end with everyone on it. That's something to take seriously. Everyone was serious...well, except Sparx. ...In a way.

'Sides, shoots "crappy bow and arrow shoots"...isn't that Hunter's specialty in the first place (I don't hardly remember much of Spyro 2 & 3 to know. I only remember much from A Hero's Tail to now, minus the Handhelds..., but I have played and beaten Shadow Legacy).

ratchet · May 23, 2009 3:52 PM

No, Hunters Original Purpose Was just to go around and Collect Collectables, He was pretty much as much as a hero as Spyro. he did have 1 minigame in Spyro 2 where he used a bow and arrow, THAT WAS IT! He did much more exciting things like his ongoing war with Spacesheep or his Manta ray. Not only that, but DOTD COMPLETELY RUINS his personality. No longer is he a stumbling, airheaded, A bit Cocky, athlete. But A gary stu whos only weapon is a stupid bow and arrow. What happened to his ray gun from Spyro 3? Or his spaceship....or his manta ray.....or his pair of wings....

I mean, what goodwould a bow and arrow do? Its just a bit of wood with a sharp edge on the end. Look at the way he uses it in DOTD. He doesn't even pull it back, but it flies 200 metres. He gets the golem RIGHT IN THE EYE, EVEN WHEN THE GOLEM TURNS ITS HEAD! And What is with the golem? why can it be harmed by a piece of Wood? The Bow and arrow will harm a human because Human are made of soft skin, We will feel pain, and the arrow stays in us when it goes into us. We also lose blood. the GOLEM IS A FIRE BEAST, WHY WOULD A LITTLE WOODERN ARROW HURT IT. Even in the EYE I would be surprised if it hurt it. Hunter's Bow and arrows should atleast be Elemental.

And yeah, you'd be serious too, but Spyro isn't meant to be serious. The TLOS series might of been an actual good IDEA if they did a parody of Stereotypic Dragon and Movie Games, That would have been awesome actually.

Since I feel like it, I'm just going to talk about 2 more Ploholes off the top of my head in DOTD

What is with the Cheetah's Villiage in DOTD? Seriously, Its just a few sticks. Its like something off survivor. There are only like 5 houses and the land they are living on is a quater of an acre. talk about endangered species! And THat cheetah in the cave, I forgot his name. HOw would a RAFT help? I mean, there wasn't even water in that cave?

I wish I could do a funny review of DOTD like The angry video game nerd, that would be awesome, But I dont have a funny voice, And I cant act. Owell, I guess ill just get the game dude to do it for me :]

Jay Tanoshi · May 23, 2009 5:46 PM

Ratchet, no offense, but you really...REALLY need to take a chill pill. Seriously. Chill out.
I'll respect your opinion, of course, but don't act so...that. This is a Legend of Spyro related topic. If you don't like the series at all, then...y'know, nevermind. You get it.

I will disagree with you on a few things.

1.) Dawn of the Dragon didn't really ruin his personality. I actually like his serious tone since it fits the game. If Hunter acted like how he originally did in Dawn of the Dragon, it would kind of screw things up. At least he isn't THAT serious and ending up having a temper or something. 'Sides, Sparx is supposed to be the comedic relief of the series.

2.) Hunter is not a Gary Stu. A Gary Stu is a male Mary Sue. A character liked by others, completely flawless. Hunter is no where near flawless. He's been captured and injured before. If he was "flawless," everyone would like him with no ifs, and, or buts about it. Secondly, he would've been with Spyro and Cynder the whole time since he's flawless, it means he can take just about everything. 'Sides, we know about Spyro, Cynder, and Sparx's history, but not Hunter. Saying he's a Gary Stu is kind of jumping the gun.

3.) A bow and Arrow isn't just a piece of wood. It all depends on what type. Sure, it can be wood, but another common thing is that the tip of an arrow (the arrowhead) can be made of stone or certain types of metal. Only the shaft of the arrow is basically wood (or plastic). If Link from the Legend of Zelda series can kick tail with a Bow and Arrow, then who says Hunter can't. Secondly, you'd be surprised how far an arrow can fly. Also, asking what happens to his wings and stuff...yeah.

4.) Not EVERY single part of a Golem is made of Rock. Sure, it's also molten lava, but you should know the eyes of just about any living creature is incredibly soft. He has hard skin, not hard eyes.

5.) Every series have to have some kind of serious time here and there. Even Mario has in a way.

6.) A village doesn't always have to be huge. Maybe it's one of the smaller villages that there's more cheetahs in those areas. We don't know the whole world, so it's kind of jumping to conclusions, again.

7.) I don't see your point about the raft really, but then again, I barely remember that part. My guess...well, if I remember correctly, maybe it's because Spyro and Cynder had to carry him out to the raft. I mean, it's possible.

I'll understand you don't like some of the stuff new series and all, but you don't have to get riled up about it. This topic is basically about some of the older characters returning. Not "How bad is the new Hunter." Let's try not to get off topic, and I'll do the same. You said what needs to be said, right? I'm just asking. I would like to continue with the thought of the older characters is all.

So...back to where we were...

T3h0v4llu · May 23, 2009 9:21 PM

I agree more with Ratchet. DotD just turned him into an uninteresting and stereotypical (what a surprise!) character. The old one was pretty much cooler but i dont think Hunter would have fit in DotD with an another personality than that.

Kipeci · May 26, 2009 4:08 AM

Immediately, I got an image of a serious Bartholomew and Agent Zero, edginess abounding.

No.

I dislike the new series enough already without further demolition of their personalities.

ATR · May 26, 2009 5:02 AM

No I think ratchet was completely justified in what he said. On most points I agree with him except for one, there is no way that hunter could have retained his origional personality and fit in at all with the new games. while it is too bad that they had to demolish his character like that, the whole game is just a sad gathering of cliches and bad script writing. While I dont like him in the new games, and I really hope they dont include any more new characters in them, there was no other way of doing his character that he would still fit in with the entire thing. in other words, sad but true.

to Jay: I think you could loosen up a little. Ratchet didnt do anything wrong. all he did was express his opinion on why there shouldnt be any more old characters in the new games and, last I checked, thats what this topic was about right? theres no need to get *bleep*y about it. no offence meant man, just sayin ^_^

RedDragonX · May 26, 2009 11:42 AM

When Ratchet expresses opinions he does so in a very intense manner. Not because he angry only because that's how he approaches debating. Believe me I've been there before as well...but I can see both arguments are pretty valid.

They couldn't possibly keep Hunter's personality the same way in the LoS...yet at the same time the new Hunter was also flawed...but so was the old one. It all depends on what you look for in the characters and how they interact with the story at hand...and I think the new Hunter did that just fine. I would have liked if they included him in the story a bit more....but what are you gonna do now.

Jay Tanoshi · May 26, 2009 8:03 PM

ATR wrote:

to Jay: I think you could loosen up a little. Ratchet didnt do anything wrong. all he did was express his opinion on why there shouldnt be any more old characters in the new games and, last I checked, thats what this topic was about right? theres no need to get *bleep*y about it. no offence meant man, just sayin ^_^

I can understand Ratchet's opinion really. I guess the problem is that we grew up with two totally different Spyros. I started playing Spyro around A Hero's Tail (late, close to Shadow Legacy), and I didn't get a chance to play the originals until close to The Eternal Night's release, so I never did understand why the first 3 were so good in the first place.

To be honest, the first one kind of bored me a bit (I actually kind of cheated to get to Gnasty before my interest went to zero), the second one (Ripto's Rage) made me hold my interest, but not for a long time (I think I got to some castle with a green roof...I forgot if that was this game or the third one). The third one...pretty long, but I can't remember where.

I guess the reason I kind of defend the Legend of Spyro series sometimes is because I honestly think it holds a lot of potential that's waiting to be unleashed. I also admit, I tend to support certain things that keep getting bashed for certain reasons.

I also hate to admit it, and no offense, but I get seriously tired of the whining and complaining about the newer games going like "My childhood is dead!" "Spyro's dead!" "People who like the new games are dumb!" "Bring the originals back!" and so-on, and so on. I can understand people not liking the newer series, but ****hing about it never solves a thing. I guess I just get tired of seeing that.

I personally think it would be nice to see some of the older characters returning. I personally don't think their personalities would change that much, namely the Professor, Ember, Flame, and maybe even the guardians. I guess I just try to find the resolutions Activision can do to mix up the styles, but still be...new. That's just me though.

And like I've heard on another forum (a Sonic forum to be exact) - Going back to the classics will NEVER, EVER, EVER solve not one got-dang thing at all.

My apologies though if I have sounded a bit...y'know. Upset. Like I said, I can understand Ratchet's opinions, but it kind of looked kind of...intense and...y'know. I guess I got intense back. Sorry.

RedDragonX · May 26, 2009 9:52 PM

Games are games. Everyone is different and we always expect something from them to give to us. Nobody will ever be the same and the difference in opinions will always be there. Both sides (originals and LoS) take their fair shots at each other all the time...and all it's based upon is one's personal satisfaction from whichever genre it may be.

LightHolyDragon · Jul 12, 2009 10:34 PM

i love than both series
The old Spyro is funny and the New Legend of Spyro is more serious
But my favorite is Spyro Dawn of The Dragon
But all and all i love both series anything so it doesn't matter to me
both series Rock

ratchet · Jul 15, 2009 2:58 PM

Jay Tanoshi wrote:

Ratchet, no offense, but you really...REALLY need to take a chill pill. Seriously. Chill out.
I'll respect your opinion, of course, but don't act so...that. This is a Legend of Spyro related topic. If you don't like the series at all, then...y'know, nevermind. You get it.

Yeah I know, But This is all about whether we should Put More Original Characters in the New Series. And I'm saying that they should, but Only if they retained personalities.

And Believe me, I'm not Hyped up or anything lol

I will disagree with you on a few things.
1.) Dawn of the Dragon didn't really ruin his personality. I actually like his serious tone since it fits the game. If Hunter acted like how he originally did in Dawn of the Dragon, it would kind of screw things up. At least he isn't THAT serious and ending up having a temper or something. 'Sides, Sparx is supposed to be the comedic relief of the series.

Yes, It did ruin His personality. It just took everything out of what Hunter's character was. they should of added in a new character intirely. Just Leave hunter alone. I know I sound a bit weird, trying to defend a video gme character. but hell, i dont o it that often, and i bet people would defend harry potter if he suddenly turned into a chainsaw wilding junkie.

2

.) Hunter is not a Gary Stu. A Gary Stu is a male Mary Sue. A character liked by others, completely flawless. Hunter is no where near flawless. He's been captured and injured before. If he was "flawless," everyone would like him with no ifs, and, or buts about it. Secondly, he would've been with Spyro and Cynder the whole time since he's flawless, it means he can take just about everything. 'Sides, we know about Spyro, Cynder, and Sparx's history, but not Hunter. Saying he's a Gary Stu is kind of jumping the gun.

A gary stu doesnt mean that they are perfect in fighting, or that they cant get hurt or trapped.It means that they are perfect Personality wise. Dont get angry, unless it something they SHOULD get angry about. they dont do anything bad. They are strong, brave and have a reasonable sense of humour. And Hes with Spyro and Cynder because He cant "take on everything". Edward Cullen is a gary stu but he cant take on EVERYTHING.

3.) A bow and Arrow isn't just a piece of wood. It all depends on what type. Sure, it can be wood, but another common thing is that the tip of an arrow (the arrowhead) can be made of stone or certain types of metal. Only the shaft of the arrow is basically wood (or plastic). If Link from the Legend of Zelda series can kick tail with a Bow and Arrow, then who says Hunter can't.

I know what an arrow is. And why shouldn't hunter? Cause THAT IS NOT HIS CHARACTER. I think The problem here is taht many developers of TLOs only played a hero's tail and possibly enter the dragonfly. and He was a bowman in A hero's tail. (Which is stupid too)

Secondly, you'd be surprised how far an arrow can fly. Also, asking what happens to his wings and stuff...yeah.

Arrows can fly far, But Hunter hardly pulled it back and it went STRAIGHT for over 200 metres. He must of Been a PRETTY GOOD BOWMAN to pull that off.

Not EVERY single part of a Golem is made of Rock. Sure, it's also molten lava, but you should know the eyes of just about any living creature is incredibly soft. He has hard skin, not hard eyes.

General Grevious Much? The Eyes are red, Signialing made of Lava. Also,you havnt mentioned How hunter Got the arrow in the eye before the head tirned. Or why the Golm didnt see the arrow comming. Or why A golem has nerves in the first place (I assume it wouldn't, Because nerves when smashing into bricks is a bit stupid. Or if you are made of Hot lava)

5.) Every series have to have some kind of serious time here and there. Even Mario has in a way.

I know, But That doesnt mean a Cool character has to be replaced witha boring one

6.) A village doesn't always have to be huge. Maybe it's one of the smaller villages that there's more cheetahs in those areas. We don't know the whole world, so it's kind of jumping to conclusions, again.

It seemed like to me that the villiage was supposed to be something special. And Still, it only had like 5 Pieces of wood, i mean houses.

7.) I don't see your point about the raft really, but then again, I barely remember that part. My guess...well, if I remember correctly, maybe it's because Spyro and Cynder had to carry him out to the raft. I mean, it's possible.

I dontr think so

I'll understand you don't like some of the stuff new series and all, but you don't have to get riled up about it. This topic is basically about some of the older characters returning. Not "How bad is the new Hunter." Let's try not to get off topic, and I'll do the same. You said what needs to be said, right? I'm just asking. I would like to continue with the thought of the older characters is all.
So...back to where we were...

EXACULY, they shouldnt unless they have the same look and personality, Otherwise theyll be stupid like Hunter

Spyrocks · Jul 26, 2009 2:51 PM

it'd be cool to see the elders (Red, Astor,.....) the animator peeps could change them to make them walk on all fours. It's a good idea. The elders could have a big fight or something.... yeah I don't know what kind of fight. I'm not good with creating violence. tongue

Sora · Jul 29, 2009 10:40 PM

I think they shouldn't have put Hunter in the new series in the first place. They couldn't keep his original personality because they needed a more serious character, so I think they should have gone with Elora instead. For one, she could have stayed her same bossy, but awesome self. Two, we needed more than one female character that stays on the screen for more than 10 seconds.

Jay Tanoshi · Aug 21, 2009 4:06 AM

*Disappears, but reappears after finishing up TLoS:AoH fan fiction*

...Yeah, my inspiration and such on Spyro ain't what it used to be when the games stopped producing (for now), so I haven't been here very long. I decided to come back and check back here and see any updates on the movie. Looking at Ratchet's comment though, I couldn't leave it without leaving my personal opinion about...yeah. Hope you don't mind me bumping a bit of an old topic. Just felt like I needed to get this out.

Yes, It did ruin His personality. It just took everything out of what Hunter's character was. they should of added in a new character intirely. Just Leave hunter alone. I know I sound a bit weird, trying to defend a video gme character. but hell, i dont o it that often, and i bet people would defend harry potter if he suddenly turned into a chainsaw wilding junkie.

So, you're trying to compare the two Hunter's to if Harry Potter went from a magician to a "chainsaw weilding junkie." That makes...no sense what-so-ever. Yeah...Also really, my opinion, but I like both Hunter's, and while having a totally new character might've done the trick more...I guess they felted like bringing back one more oldie...

A gary stu doesnt mean that they are perfect in fighting, or that they cant get hurt or trapped.It means that they are perfect Personality wise. Dont get angry, unless it something they SHOULD get angry about. they dont do anything bad. They are strong, brave and have a reasonable sense of humour. And Hes with Spyro and Cynder because He cant "take on everything". Edward Cullen is a gary stu but he cant take on EVERYTHING

Hunter's personality...perfect? I don't see it. It's been months since I touched the game, but his personality, perfect? It just seems like he's just a really calm type and tries not to get angry. 'Sides, don't quite a lot of these characters kind of share that kind of personality sometimes in shows and such? So...why is it so bad for the LoS Hunter and not the others? What kind of personalities add-ons would not make him a Gary Stu?

I know what an arrow is. And why shouldn't hunter? Cause THAT IS NOT HIS CHARACTER. I think The problem here is taht many developers of TLOs only played a hero's tail and possibly enter the dragonfly. and He was a bowman in A hero's tail. (Which is stupid too)

Okay, I'll give you that the idea probably did come from A Hero's Tail, but...he did need some kind of weapon, didn't he? Everyone had a little something. Honestly really, Hunter with bows and arrows seems pretty bad@$$ to me. Ain't like they were going to give him a sword, mace, or a freaking gun. THAT would've sucked. o.o

Arrows can fly far, But Hunter hardly pulled it back and it went STRAIGHT for over 200 metres. He must of Been a PRETTY GOOD BOWMAN to pull that off.

...I might have to see a movie clip to understand that. I don't recall much of that. He does seem like the expert bow-man though, original (AHT) and new.

General Grevious Much? The Eyes are red, Signialing made of Lava. Also,you havnt mentioned How hunter Got the arrow in the eye before the head tirned. Or why the Golm didnt see the arrow comming. Or why A golem has nerves in the first place (I assume it wouldn't, Because nerves when smashing into bricks is a bit stupid. Or if you are made of Hot lava)

Okay...I did make a mistake when I worded that a long time ago. What I meant was that the eyes HAD to be soft. Lava is pretty much soft when it's not black and harden. The Golem either thought it wasn't going to do much, or it's just plain dumb. It's not everday you see a SMART Golem (unless you count Monster Rancher for example).

The nerves..well, really, how else are you supposed to hurt something like that. A lot of people make Rock like characters get hurt. Pokemon, Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Final Fantasy, and so on. A lot of the characters there were stone, and yet they can be hurt still. Also, how would Spyro & Cynder get away IF it's immune to physical damage?

It seemed like to me that the villiage was supposed to be something special. And Still, it only had like 5 Pieces of wood, i mean houses.

Well, it was a very small clan, with only male cheetahs, so...I wouldn't expect it to be special or anything like the other places we've seen. Wouldn't make too much sense to have a large village when you only have like...less than 10...or 15 people in the population.

I dontr think so

So...how is it impossible for Spyro and Cynder to carry someone to the raft? I mean, they have the strength. One of the probably carried him on their back, or they dragged him out to the raft (which is rough, so I doubt that one). Really, I don't see how it's impossible..

EXACULY, they shouldnt unless they have the same look and personality, Otherwise theyll be stupid like Hunter

...Uh, personal opinion, but if the characters pretty much had the SAME look as their past years, plus how dark and what-not The Legend of Spyro series were, it wouldn't fit at all. Would feel REALLY out of place. Also, they would have to alter their personalities somehow since TLoS is not the cartoony Spyro we knew from back then. It's a lot more serious. Characters breaking the 4th wall or acting all wacky would not help the game at all. It'll just make it seem like a joke...sort of.

(EDIT) ....Okay, Sparx can break the 4th wall and what-not since it's hilarious when he does it. XP

Well, like I said, personal opinions. I understand what you mean though, but I'm pretty much sticking to mine.

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon · Aug 21, 2009 6:27 AM

Jamieque, I still don't believe that you're making that movie (yes, it's ScarletOHare from DA). You haven't even got any proof, not even a website!

To the topic, I would love to see Bianca and Elora in TLoS. Bianca could be some sort of mage, right? Flame and Ember could come from a different land and want to work alongside Spyro and Cynder. Elora...erm, she could just be a friend of the Guardians I guess.

cheesypower · Aug 21, 2009 8:59 PM

hey, I have an idea. why not make it so that all the female dragons and eggs are stored in THE FORGOTTEN REALMS! I mean, what if the dragons knew that trouble was coming, so all the females took all the eggs to an ancient dragon realm to protect them, but the batch with spyro and cynder wasn't moved in time! this would be an easy and simple way to explain what happened to the dragons.

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