The fight between new and old spyro

ratchet · Jul 02, 2008 6:07 AM

76 Votes (Even though, there are more TLOS fans than this, i still believe that it does show how many more Original Fans there are.... or atleast on IGN anyway)

dragon protector x · Jul 02, 2008 6:10 AM

True, but still so little votes so i still wouldnt trust them.

RadSpyro · Jul 02, 2008 12:58 PM

ratchet wrote:

But when I look around the internet, the majority of fans are Original fans, and dislike the new games, so thats MY verdict on how it is.

That's how I feel as well. I try to bring Spyro fans out of hiding, but when I do they're almost always fans of the original ^_^;

Doppelgangergang · Jul 02, 2008 3:08 PM

ratchet wrote:

76 Votes (Even though, there are more TLOS fans than this, i still believe that it does show how many more Original Fans there are.... or atleast on IGN anyway)

Ratings do not matter.

DragonFireOKN · Jul 02, 2008 3:19 PM

Most of those Spyro fans haven't even played the new games. They assume they are bad because they listen to others. The same thing happened with PS3. Some xbox fanboys trashed it and so everyone judged it without even playing it or giving it a chance. Same goes with Spyro.

As for those ratings: There have been two LOS games. They have both come out within the past two years. The Original could inlude all the GBA games, DS games, PS1 and PS2 games. "Original" could be defined as the old style collecting gems. Those games have been out for years. All you would have to do is like one old Spyro game to vote for the Originals. Most people didn't like TEN because of its difficulty. New flash, deal with it.

It's not fair to compare a ten year old series with all the old games: (Over Ten) To a series that started less than 2 years ago. If you liked one element in the old games, you would vote for them without giving LOS a chance.

Doppelgangergang · Jul 02, 2008 3:49 PM

If you don't like TLoS, you can't accept change.

Stormy · Jul 02, 2008 5:49 PM

[sub]Wrong, wrong, absolutely wrong.

Spyro fans who don't like TLoS just don't like that style of gameplay. Think about this: if the TLoS people sold Spyro back to Insomniac, you wouldn't like the games anymore either. Har har, who can't accept change now?

It seems like such a simple concept, but some of you TLoS fans insist that something's wrong with people if they don't like it. >__>

You were the one who was saying on the first page not to compare the two.[/sub]

dragon protector x · Jul 02, 2008 6:02 PM

Thats true...LoS is more of a fighting System then the others. You flame the guy they die... in the LoS its more fight fight fight fight...dead... next enemy. Plus the gems are used to heal and restore energy and give you exp for you breaths. THats why i like that game so much. I love games like that with the fighting. Its kinda like the Eragon game, and Dark Alliances, and games like those. I love games like those.

Gwenio · Jul 02, 2008 11:48 PM

Stormy wrote:

[sub]Wrong, wrong, absolutely wrong.
Spyro fans who don't like TLoS just don't like that style of gameplay. Think about this: if the TLoS people sold Spyro to Insomniac, you wouldn't like the games anymore either. Har har, who can't accept change now?
It seems like such a simple concept, but some of you TLoS fans insist that something's wrong with people if they don't like it. >__>
You were the one who was saying on the first page not to compare the two.[/sub]

Fixed for accuracy.

dragon protector x · Jul 03, 2008 4:10 AM

Honestly i think its the battles in that that people dont like and the use of gems.

Juice box · Jul 03, 2008 4:31 AM

dragon protector x wrote:

Honestly i think its the battles in that that people dont like and the use of gems.

Well I actually dislike the entirety of TLOS. The level designs are terrible and aren't appealing to the eye like the originals. Also where is the fun in all the fighting? The gems also look pathetic now and the enemies are boring. The game has changed too much. They should have created a different character altogether and should've left Spyro for someone who knows what they are doing. Why didn't they just make a new franchise? They shouldn't have used Spyro. They should've made a new character.

Cyndersparx · Jul 03, 2008 4:46 AM

WHAT!?!?!? You have to stick to the original character, no make an entire new series! They made TLOS to show what happened behind the story. It wouldnt make sense to start with a new char. and kick Spyro out the door. tongue

Juice box · Jul 03, 2008 5:12 AM

Cyndersparx don't chew what you can't swallow.....or something like that... :? >_<

Cyndersparx wrote:

They made TLOS to show what happened behind the story.

That is one of the silliest statements I have ever read on these forums. TLOS story has nothing to do with the original story what so ever. IT'S A REBOOT!!!

Cyndersparx wrote:

WHAT!?!?!? You have to stick to the original character, no make an entire new series!

No you don't. Seeing as original Spyro and TLOS have barely any connection, it would be totally logical to create a new main character for the story eg: Drakengard 1 has Caim as the main character while Drakengard 2 has Nowe. :-P

Cyndersparx wrote:

It wouldnt make sense to start with a new char. and kick Spyro out the door.

It would make more sense than ruining the old story and recycling a character.

Cyndersparx · Jul 03, 2008 5:22 AM

Its 'dont chew off more than you can swallow' , and I was makin a statement. TLOS is a new beginning for the character(no pun intended). It doesnt have to do with the old series.
How was spyro even born, anyways? Whos his mom? >_<

Doppelgangergang · Jul 03, 2008 5:25 AM

Well, I can say I like TLoS more!

Cyndersparx · Jul 03, 2008 5:28 AM

I hear ya, brother. smile

Juice box · Jul 03, 2008 5:31 AM

My point remains valid. Spyro shouldn't have been recycled. They should have made something entirely new.

Doppelgangergang · Jul 03, 2008 5:41 AM

Juice box wrote:

My point remains valid. Spyro shouldn't have been recycled. They should have made something entirely new.

So they rebooted the series.

That's ENTIRELY new.

Juice box · Jul 03, 2008 5:44 AM

Doppelgangergang wrote:

Juice box wrote:
My point remains valid. Spyro shouldn't have been recycled. They should have made something entirely new.
So they rebooted the series.
That's ENTIRELY new.

*Sigh* No it's not. They recycled the character. You're gonna have to try a little harder than that.

ratchet · Jul 03, 2008 9:49 AM

Doppelgangergang wrote:

If you don't like TLoS, you can't accept change.

Although I dont share the same opinion as Stormy stated, theres 3 things wrong with that statement
1.Not everybody who dont like TLOS dont like it because it was a change, they have many other reasons. i have more reasons than the reboot why i didn't like TLOS
2.I can handle change with some things, but not with my favourite series whhich didn't even NEED a change but an improvement, which i dont find TLOS to be.
3.Your not really proving your point when you say things like that!

Well I actually dislike the entirety of TLOS. The level designs are terrible and aren't appealing to the eye like the originals. Also where is the fun in all the fighting? The gems also look pathetic now and the enemies are boring. The game has changed too much. They should have created a different character altogether and should've left Spyro for someone who knows what they are doing. Why didn't they just make a new franchise? They shouldn't have used Spyro. They should've made a new character.

Exaculy!

So they rebooted the series.
That's ENTIRELY new.

Hmmmmmm, your really contridicting yourself Doppel. At times you say "they're the same Spyro" but at other times you say "TLOS is entirely new, a new character"....huh? Stick to one side of the point!

If TLOS is so "entirely new, how come?"
1.The same, Spyro Logo
2.Is considered to be in the same franchise by umm..... everywhere
3.Spyro is a Purple dragon with Sparx with him, Ofcource hes no way the same Spyro but he is the same trademark dragon.

Ratings do not matter.

What i was talking about weren't ratings, they were votes by many different people.

Most of those Spyro fans haven't even played the new games. They assume they are bad because they listen to others. The same thing happened with PS3. Some xbox fanboys trashed it and so everyone judged it without even playing it or giving it a chance. Same goes with Spyro.
As for those ratings: There have been two LOS games. They have both come out within the past two years. The Original could inlude all the GBA games, DS games, PS1 and PS2 games. "Original" could be defined as the old style collecting gems. Those games have been out for years. All you would have to do is like one old Spyro game to vote for the Originals. Most people didn't like TEN because of its difficulty. New flash, deal with it.
It's not fair to compare a ten year old series with all the old games: (Over Ten) To a series that started less than 2 years ago. If you liked one element in the old games, you would vote for them without giving LOS a chance.

1.Good point about how most new Fans havn't played the new games, but yeah, normally they trust it on ratings, others and how the game looks. Another reason why those 2000+ votes should be taken with a grain of salt.
2.Another good point! But even though i support and say how good the originals are, I am defiently more of a fan of the old series than the new, and i would of liked the old Series to continue. But yeah, i get your other point (there alot more games classified as old/originals and so hence i say, good point!) But i never said i really agree with that tally. Just so everyone knows:
Originals=1, 2, 3
Old=Every games except TLOS
3.Good point again

everyone should really take a look at the comments this time.
Link?

Gwenio · Jul 03, 2008 12:56 PM

Juice box wrote:

dragon protector x wrote:
Honestly i think its the battles in that that people dont like and the use of gems.
Well I actually dislike the entirety of TLOS. The level designs are terrible and aren't appealing to the eye like the originals. Also where is the fun in all the fighting? The gems also look pathetic now and the enemies are boring. The game has changed too much. They should have created a different character altogether and should've left Spyro for someone who knows what they are doing. Why didn't they just make a new franchise? They shouldn't have used Spyro. They should've made a new character.

My guess it you do not like playing as a dragon.

Stormy · Jul 03, 2008 2:00 PM

Gwenio wrote:

Stormy wrote:
[sub]Wrong, wrong, absolutely wrong.
Spyro fans who don't like TLoS just don't like that style of gameplay. Think about this: if the TLoS people sold Spyro to Insomniac, you wouldn't like the games anymore either. Har har, who can't accept change now?
It seems like such a simple concept, but some of you TLoS fans insist that something's wrong with people if they don't like it. >__>
You were the one who was saying on the first page not to compare the two.[/sub]
Fixed for accuracy.

[sub]Erm... What do you mean by taking out BACK to Insomniac? Spyro was originally theirs; they created the original character that inspired your precious TLoS games, so they'd be buying it back. =/

I don't care how much you like TLoS more. You cannot change the simple fact that Insomniac were the developers that started it all in the first place, then they sold it out to other developers after Year of the Dragon, who went on to make Enter the Dragonfly. That is a fact, never mind how much you TLoS fans might bleat that TLoS is "the real Spyro" because it's "better".

It seems I can't say it enough: facts, people, facts. There is absolutely no point whatsoever in arguing based on your personal feelings about which is the "true Spyro".[/sub]

ratchet wrote:

Doppelgangergang wrote:
If you don't like TLoS, you can't accept change.
Although I dont share the same opinion as Stormy stated, theres 3 things wrong with that statement
1.Not everybody who dont like TLOS dont like it because it was a change, they have many other reasons. i have more reasons than the reboot why i didn't like TLOS
2.I can handle change with some things, but not with my favourite series whhich didn't even NEED a change but an improvement, which i dont find TLOS to be.
3.Your not really proving your point when you say things like that!

[sub]Agreed, agreed, and agreed. What did I say that you didn't agree with? It seems to me like we're making the same point. [/sub]

dragon protector x · Jul 03, 2008 4:01 PM

Gwenio wrote:

Juice box wrote:
dragon protector x wrote:
Honestly i think its the battles in that that people dont like and the use of gems.
Well I actually dislike the entirety of TLOS. The level designs are terrible and aren't appealing to the eye like the originals. Also where is the fun in all the fighting? The gems also look pathetic now and the enemies are boring. The game has changed too much. They should have created a different character altogether and should've left Spyro for someone who knows what they are doing. Why didn't they just make a new franchise? They shouldn't have used Spyro. They should've made a new character.
My guess it you do not like playing as a dragon.

All hail the dragons.... Dragons should rule this world anyways...they are more fitted to rule the earth sence the Human race has shown how missuably they failed at ruleing with all the war and blood shed....

Spyro is one of the best dragons in a game that i have ever seen.

Spash the Bandragon · Jul 03, 2008 7:28 PM

I have a confession to make... While I do not find the gameplay in TLoS totally repulsive, if it were not for the storyline and the fact that it is a "Spyro" game, I wouldn't be half as into TLoS as I am. I perfer TLoS's storyline, but the original games have better gameplay. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that the original games' gameplay, which had tremendoes effort put into it, balances out the crappy storyline, which had little effort put into it. This is vice-vesra for TLoS, meaning that it's actually better off as a movie. TLoS fans like it for the story, but don't care that much for the gameplay. Then the bad reviews about the gameplay come out. Naturally, the TLoS fans defend the series. That's all their is too it.

Now then, let me see a show of hands. Who here dislikes the gameplay of the first 3 Spyro games? (Those are the ones with effort placed in the gameplay.)
Who here dislikes the storyline of TLoS? (Those are the ones with effort placed in the storyline.)
Now, how many people raised there hand? If three people in total raised there hand to those questions, my theory is disproved.

Assuming nobody raised there hands, I will continue...
What the original games lack in plotline, they make up for in gameplay.
What the first two LoS games lack in gameplay, they make up for in storyline. This would all be fine, but Spyro's supposed to be a video game, not a series of movies. TLoS's being made into a movie anyways, so we're all happy. Now the only logical thing to do is continue the original series (or at least focus more on gameplay from now on).
There's nothing wrong with liking TLoS, but original Spyro wins " The fight between new and old spyro" in terms of which makes a better video game, undoubtedly. If they really wanted to put focus on the plotline, they should've made TLoS a movie in the first place.

And for the heck of it, raise your hand if you don't think DotD is shaping up to be a promising game. big_smile

Juice box · Jul 03, 2008 10:39 PM

Gwenio wrote:

Juice box wrote:
dragon protector x wrote:
Honestly i think its the battles in that that people dont like and the use of gems.
Well I actually dislike the entirety of TLOS. The level designs are terrible and aren't appealing to the eye like the originals. Also where is the fun in all the fighting? The gems also look pathetic now and the enemies are boring. The game has changed too much. They should have created a different character altogether and should've left Spyro for someone who knows what they are doing. Why didn't they just make a new franchise? They shouldn't have used Spyro. They should've made a new character.
My guess it you do not like playing as a dragon.

Well that was a terrible guess. I just don't like the new gameplay of Spyro. The original gameplay was far better and I do believe I was still playing as a dragon. :-P

Spash the Bandragon wrote:

What the original games lack in plotline, they make up for in gameplay.
What the first two LoS games lack in gameplay, they make up for in storyline. This would all be fine, but Spyro's supposed to be a video game, not a series of movies. TLoS's being made into a movie anyways, so we're all happy. Now the only logical thing to do is continue the original series (or at least focus more on gameplay from now on).

That's a very good point. Fans of the originals dislike TLOS because of the poor gameplay.

Spash the Bandragon wrote:

]There's nothing wrong with liking TLoS, but original Spyro wins " The fight between new and old spyro" in terms of which makes a better video game, undoubtedly. If they really wanted to put focus on the plotline, they should've made TLoS a movie in the first place.

Exactly! TLOS should've just been a movie and the games should've revolved around the originals.

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