Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

Kazoobie64 · Dec 04, 2008 6:35 PM

LOL me and my friend were cheering for Malefor the whole time.

When Ignitus said he was going to bring about the BIRTH of a new world by issuing the death of the current one, my friend was all like "oh my God, Malefor hates the LoS series and wants to destroy its world and probably bring back the old one with sheeps in UFO's and jumping mushrooms." Then we had a good laugh because we kept joking around by cheering every time we died, especially in the last battle. I was like "Epy why do you keep dying?!" and she was all like "BECAUSE I WANT HIM TO WIN."

Honestly, this isn't the first time I've sympathized with a villain. In Wind Waker, if you really think about it, Ganondorf's predicament was really messed up. HIS SPEECH AT THE END. The Gods would have rather DROWNED ALL OF HYRULE UNDERWATER instead of letting him rule it, and they DID. I was like "oh my God, Ganny. D':"

RedDragonX · Dec 04, 2008 6:45 PM

Well sure I suppose that you can go with the motivation that Malefor hates the LoS series lol....pretty much shows how people feel about it lol...other then that yeah it's a good observation lol.

I've heard some people go with the idea that once Spyro rescued the world...it looked somewhat like it did in the old games lol...but I wouldn't hold my breath. Just gonna wait and see what they decide to come out with next. Until then I suppose you will have to keep rooting for Malefor lol..

T3h0v4llu · Dec 04, 2008 6:49 PM

Kazoobie64 wrote:

LOL me and my friend were cheering for Malefor the whole time.
When Ignitus said he was going to bring about the BIRTH of a new world by issuing the death of the current one, my friend was all like "oh my God, Malefor hates the LoS series and wants to destroy its world and probably bring back the old one with sheeps in UFO's and jumping mushrooms." Then we had a good laugh because we kept joking around by cheering every time we died, especially in the last battle. I was like "Epy why do you keep dying?!" and she was all like "BECAUSE I WANT HIM TO WIN."
Honestly, this isn't the first time I've sympathized with a villain. In Wind Waker, if you really think about it, Ganondorf's predicament was really messed up. HIS SPEECH AT THE END. The Gods would have rather DROWNED ALL OF HYRULE UNDERWATER instead of letting him rule it, and they DID. I was like "oh my God, Ganny. D':"

Great! I love Malefor now.

Stormy · Dec 04, 2008 9:14 PM

T3h0v4llu wrote:

Great! I love Malefor now.

Yeah, go Malefor! XD

Again if you have never played the game and are pretty much just relying on other people's experiences..you will get a pretty one directional approach to it. Try playing it for yourself.

I'm not wasting my money on it if it's like the rest of TLoS. From the way you described the story, I doubt it's something I'd really like. I know it's supposed to be epic, but I'm not feeling it.

Kazoobie64 · Dec 04, 2008 9:41 PM

Or better yet, if you're really curious about the story, save your the misery of gameplay and watch the cutscenes on Youtube. This is always what I do when someone wants me to look at a story and I don't want to play the game.

RedDragonX · Dec 04, 2008 9:47 PM

Yes I wouldn't call the trilogy epic...that was their attempt to do so...but pretty much half the fans have already butchered that idea. But the points that you are making about not playing the game because of the first two ones in the series doesn't seem fair is all. The game is pretty different from those in terms of both gameplay and environments. Judging something by what others say without actually trying for yourself just seems rather unfair...but that's just me. I think it is at least worth renting...but again this is going to be different for every single gamer..this game caters to a certain style of gamers...and they knew that not everyone was going to be happy...they knew that from the start...but I think that it is more then deserving of a chance.....but that is my opinion just like everyone elses.

Stormy · Dec 04, 2008 9:52 PM

I've watched the beginning and the end. Maybe I'll watch some of the other ones some other time, but honestly, I'm not that bothered.

But the points that you are making about not playing the game because of the first two ones in the series doesn't seem fair is all. The game is pretty different from those in terms of both gameplay and environments. Judging something by what others say without actually trying for yourself just seems rather unfair...but that's just me. I think it is at least worth renting...but again this is going to be different for every single gamer..this game caters to a certain style of gamers...and they knew that not everyone was going to be happy...they knew that from the start...but I think that it is more then deserving of a chance.....but that is my opinion just like everyone elses.

You're treating the game like it's a person again. "Deserving of a chance"? "Unfair"? I think it makes sense to read reviews and others' comments before deciding whether or not it's something I'd like.

From what I've heard about the gameplay, it seems to have gotten worse. As I've said before, I dislike button-mashing, and more of it is not really something I'm interested in playing, even if it is a different kind of button-mashing. And as for the story, I pretty much know how it goes from the fansites, and it's not something that interests me either.

Bottom line: If I'm correct in saying that they haven't scrapped the "elemental fury combos" and the ridiculous "omg-save-the-world-itz-mah-destiny" and the linear, long, boring levels, it's like the rest of TLoS, and I'm certainly not interested in wasting my money.

RedDragonX · Dec 04, 2008 10:56 PM

The gameplay in general has gotten better then before..in my opinion of course....personally that is just the way I view a game...I hear things about them....ok...now I will go out and see if those things are true...if they are then oh well.....but most of the time I have found reviewers wrong or personal opinions givin by others to be off...because like every single other person they see a game how they want to see it.

That is simply my approach to any game...but you will never know for real unless you try it for yourself...am I telling you to?..No...cetainly not...if you don't want to play it then don't play it...but I will not respect the view of one who has never really made an attempt is all. Nothing against you..just that idea.

If you don't want to waste your money then don't waste your money. Most on here wouldn't want to because of the disdain you have for the new series as a whole...which I agree doesn't cater to the average Spyro fan...I have just managed to enjoy and benefit from both series....and each has their own faults and their own benefits.

And the reason why I treat a game like I do is because..I have never played certain games at one point because I was told simply.."They suck..they are not worthy of your time." ...so I didn't play them...then go figure I end up picking up that game a couple years later and loving the heck out of it. That's just my input as a gamer. Everyone is going to be different about it....and if you don't want to spend money on it then don't...but I wont really agree with any points you might choose to make over it lol.....but I'm pretty sure you wont care anyways so simple enough lol..

Stormy · Dec 04, 2008 11:12 PM

But if I've played two games in a similar style and didn't like them, how likely is it that I'm going to like the third installment, really? I mean, I see what you're saying, but I think it's a reasonable enough assumption that, putting together my past experiences and what I've heard from both fans and haters, I will not like this game.

Also, when I criticize TLoS, I'm usually referring to ANB and TEN, which I have played. If I did start going around saying "DotD sux guize no one play it lolz" I'm sure no one would take me seriously. All I'm saying is that it's not something I'm interested in trying. Whether it's good or not, I guess I can't really say, but from my perspective now, I think I can reasonably infer that it is not.

RedDragonX · Dec 04, 2008 11:20 PM

And I am not trying to get you to go out and play the game for any reason lol...if you have your own views about how you play games and such then that's how you feel about them. There is no use in changing those ideals. Every single gamer is different in how they approach such situtations...I thought that I was going to hate the LoS series...but I have a pretty open mind as a gamer in general...and the story...even as cliched as it was...did keep me pretty interested in playing the game.

The old games were good for what they were just as these are good for what they are...and the developers knew that it would turn out this way. I defend both series and both series have their own ups and downs. That's just the way I feel about it....and if you are very sure about what you see in games and how you feel when you play them...then yes I agree there is no reason for you to change who you are.

For me I have just been willing to spend 5 dollars to rent a game and try it before buying it...I have been surprised to find that some games I believed I would hate are actually pretty enjoyable....but that's just me as a gamer. What can be said for anyone else is not for me to assume lol..

ratchet · Dec 05, 2008 7:06 AM

OH MY GOSH I HAVE AN EPIC TWIST THAT IS SOOOO AWESOME!!!
The dark Master is actually the Original Spyro and wants to destroy the world and make it like it originally was!!!!!!

RedDragonX · Dec 05, 2008 9:44 PM

Wow..you managed to say something that someone already did lol...good job.

T3h0v4llu · Dec 05, 2008 10:48 PM

ratchet wrote:

OH MY GOSH I HAVE AN EPIC TWIST THAT IS SOOOO AWESOME!!!
The dark Master is actually the Original Spyro and wants to destroy the world and make it like it originally was!!!!!!

Exactly!!!!!!! LETS MAKE A "MALEFOR" FAN CLUB!!!

RedDragonX · Dec 06, 2008 1:26 AM

"slaps head" Why do I bother lol....I'm just gonna keep to myself lol...

ratchet · Dec 06, 2008 1:57 AM

XRedDragonX wrote:

Wow..you managed to say something that someone already did lol...good job.

No, people have just said that malefor wants the old world back, not that he's original Spyro!

Taco Godess · Dec 06, 2008 6:51 AM

yikes Best. Twist. Ever.

Man, he really let himself go after YotD. I guess that's why you never see Elora again... or it could be because he went to live in that well for ages and she just got tired of him.

Sheep · Dec 07, 2008 4:04 PM

I prefer Insomniac. The changes in the original series, in AHT, Orange/Fusion and Shaddow legacy, made Spyro something completely different than it originaly was. Thats my opinion. I'm sure someone else disagrees and I accept that. I don't want arguing. Enter the Dragonfly has the right feel, but too short, glitchy(not in all versons of course) and the frame rate is a bit too high. And that Crush and Gulp could talk. Crush and Gulp aren't smart enough to talk, as it says in the manual for Gateway to Glimmer(atleast in the Norvegian one) that Crush has a brain as small as a snails one, and Gulp is just a little bit smarter. TLOS just doesn't entertain me much. I'm not a fan of epic games, but happy and colorful.
I really hope there will be a Spyro game in the future that could be a worthy extension of the original series that Insomiac begun.
Thank's for reading smile

RedDragonX · Dec 07, 2008 4:10 PM

They will always argue lol...but yeah you're pretty much right...the older games were more colorful and overal better playing then the new ones..you just wanted to pick it up and go lol...while the new games are basically driven by the story. It's a different feel for each gamer...but I don't see anyone every coming close to the Insomniac titles. The timing isn't right at all....it's a new market....and I can't see them returning to the formula that they wanted to break away from from the start.

If anything like that were to happen...a developer would have to pick up the franchise and really make it their pride and joy...putting everything they have into making the game amazing for anyone to play...but I just don't see anyone doing that with Spyro.

T3h0v4llu · Dec 09, 2008 4:51 PM

(thanks to ratchet for pointing this thread out)

As you would guess, i prefer Imsomniac over Sierra. The old series was much better (no *bleep*). I cannot also say that they were perfect, because all of them lacked in few aspects: The lack NPCs and story in the 1st, absence of imsomniac-style secrets and easyness in the 2nd, and numerous other things in the 3rd (dull and brain killing music, incredibly bad and easy bosses, too much minigames...), what was just a bad remake of the 2nd. I am being very critical about the games here, but those things just point out.

Tlos had more dialogue and longer story (cant think of anything else, i am trying to be positive), but it lacked tremendously in everything else. I can think of many games that beat the old spyro 100 to 0. Spyro was many people's first game, and for that, they cannot see the flaws in it. Nevertheless, it was a great, near-perfect game.

You are free to disagree with me, dont worry, ill be glad to reply. Still, keep the flaming away.

RedDragonX · Dec 09, 2008 7:19 PM

Yes basically...the original Spyro games are held near and dear to the hearts of all the fans...it was the first and only image of Spyro that we could ever seen being used...but then Insomniac gave up on the dragon and let others take over the series....which led to the lack of quality that we still see today...but things were heading in a much worse direction in my opinion before the LoS came out then they are now.

Yes every game has its flaws..and both series cleary have them...so in the end all it is going to come down to is personal preference and your willingness to adapt to something different...which to any die hard lover they would rather end the series completely then see it go on like this...which I hate...but what are you gonna do. The series does go on in one way or antoher...which is better for me then just edding it with games such as AHT or ETD. They wanted to try something different and they did so knowing just how most fans would react.

These debates will never go away and until something is created that somehow caters to both sides of the argument (good luck with that)..then arguing about it will be the only result. The LoS games did have a good storyline..although cliched and dull at some points...but when I play a game I really love a good story....that's just what I enjoy in a game..while others would prefer to have more action oriented gaming or freestyle roaming...it's different for everyone....me personally I love stories..and I love the characters...and I didn't think that the combat was too bad...but very far from perfect.

It could have been much much worse...and I'm just thankful that Spyro is still around and someone is attempting to make something of it...despite the fact they have not yet found that formula willing to please all fans.

Sheep · Dec 09, 2008 7:40 PM

XRedDragonX wrote:

...but things were heading in a much worse direction in my opinion before the LoS came out then they are now.

I completely agree in that. A Heros Tail, Orange/Fusion and Shadow Legacy changed the Spyro universe to something so bad, that a new start, or jump back in the timeline was needed. But I think they made the new start too different from what Spyro was in the beginning.

RedDragonX · Dec 09, 2008 7:47 PM

Very true...but again...they rebooted this new series to get away from the old games...they knew that it wasn't what every fan wanted..but they insisted on presenting a new image to Spyro..so the fact that it is nothing like the old games was to be expected...they didn't want it feeling anything like the originals....especially after the aformentioned last games in the original series.

Sheep · Dec 09, 2008 8:02 PM

XRedDragonX wrote:

so the fact that it is nothing like the old games was to be expected

Hm... I agree again. Shadow Legacy was nothing like the first three games wich I see as the true Spyro. They had changed the universe totally, putting in stupid things as shadow realm(or what it was called). The only thing that really tells me the game is a part of the original Spyro is that they used Avalar and Forgotten Realms again, but ( mad of course) in a totally dumb way. Moneybags was turned into very bad compared to his original look and personality. After this game, I must admit something I had forgott but you reminded me about. I expected something far worse than Shadow Legacy, nothing as great as A New Beginning(even as I'm no fan of the game) :-P Thanks, that made me appreciate TLOS a little more and made me in a better mood smile

RedDragonX · Dec 09, 2008 8:08 PM

Well I am glad that I could make your day better lol...but yeah I was discussing with someone that they really attempted to drive away from the originals yet in original form still with Shadow Legacy...and I really disliked that game...so they just broke away from the older games all together as to spare them the torment of another failed installment...just something we noticed lol..

T3h0v4llu · Dec 09, 2008 8:10 PM

You know, they couldve put someone else instead of spyro and the game wouldnt definetly be worse. Of course, the tag "spyro" in it makes people buy it. I tried to explain that my friend and they said: "omg you like tlos go die plx"

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