Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

ratchet · Dec 02, 2008 7:36 AM

-Jumping from platforms to other platforms

Jumping and gliding using tactics to travel to other platforms more like

-Getting from Point "A", to Point "B"

Not really Interesting, eh?

-Flaming enemies once and moving on(Easy Much?)

Just like many other platformers out there....

-Gathering random crud on the ground here and there

Like any other platformer..... and mainly a way to make you explore and aim for things. not unusual.

-An occasional unnecessary mini-game here or there.

Are you kidding me? "occasianal"? "unnecesarry"? In Spyro 3 there were OVER 100 minigames! that's Over 65% of the total game. And unnecessary? I think that is quite a blind comment, Platformers have minigames, and the minigames were fun with lots of variety.

-Random Glitches that happened at any given time

Most glitches will be ones you found yourself. I didn't encounter any swimming in the air glitches until i watched the youtube videos. Besides, every game has glitches, not to mention the people love doing the glitches anyway.

-Actual attacks (Not Ram/Breathe your hot, vile breath on things)

Spyro didn't need attacks

-More than one element (I'm not counting ETD and AHT as originals because they're kind of a series or whatever of their own and weren't a "Trilogy.")

Spyro didn't need extra breaths

-More challenging enemies

Spyro didn't need more challeging enemies! It had it's own challenge

-Objects you had to collect were in less obvious places (The collectables in TEN; I don't know about DOTD yet. I haven't gotten the game, only seen a few videos. And ANB had no collectables.)

What are you talking about? Many objects in the originals were in places hard to find/get.

-Free Flight(In DOTD)

The free flight sucks anyway

[Quote]-Boss battles that didn't let you run around and throw miscellaneous junk at the enemy and laugh "HAHA I R BEET U NUB U STANDED STIL 2 LONG!!1" [Quote]

Instead we have boss battles where you just go near him and tap a buttons, the original bosses atleast used more strategy.

-OMG, Comprehend this as a good thing for once, Sparx is now a sentient being with SPEECH.

Obviously you havn't Played Spyro 3, as Sparx could talk. Besides, in TLOS, Sparx is nothing but an annoying sidekick while in the originals he was a healthbar, you could play as him, he collected gems and hosted speedways. Much more useful.

-Wow, I don't die in 4 hits anymore!

Judging by how easy you say the originals were, i dont think that would be a problem

13 reasons why originals are way better: http://www.spyroforum.com/topic-3912-13 … by-me.html
It might be a bit outdated though...

Plus one more:
14.Linerity- TLOS is linear, the originals arn't, and That means that if you are stuck or your bored, you cant go to another level and do something else, you have to just live with having to beat this part.

Kazoobie64 · Dec 02, 2008 12:32 PM

I understand why someone would favor the mechanics of LoS over Insomniac's Spyro, but saying the mini-games and sidequests were a bad thing...? LoS' major problem lied in that it had no sidequests or mini-games. You are forced to go where the game wants you to go in order to beat it. There's no freedom to take a break to look around for something else and something DIFFERENT that needs to be done. I don't know about you guys, but in games where you are controling a dragon, I don't like to to be chained down all the time.

PS.

OMG, Comprehend this as a good thing for once, Sparx is now a sentient being with SPEECH.

This kind of saddens me. sad

In character development, a speechless character is a more difficult, but very effective concept when done right. Especially when you place them in a world of mostly talking characters. Buzzing noises, cuter design, flying about at different speeds to express his mood and focusing on his facial expressions would have probably made the LoS Sparx a lot more endearing rather than to force his lines to make him an annoying wisecrack.

Don't believe me? What about Wall-E? Tom and Jerry? Rufus the naked molerat? A bunch of animal characters from Disney movies? All have very little to no speech.

RedDragonX · Dec 02, 2008 7:15 PM

They should have had sidequests and mini games involved with the story...it would have made it much much better...by far.....the story was great don't get me wrong...but as she said...you have to focus on one direction and you're not aloud to do anything else.

Many games are like this...but it is nothing like the original Spyro games...where you are aloud all these liberties....just a different game style. The environments should have been larger...and their should have been more interaction opportunities. More items to find and mini games would have been a nice addition.

This game obviously had nothing to do with that...and focused more on the one direction platforming..which is ok if it's a really heavy action oriented game....just mindlessly pounding away at enemies and such. I don't always like that idea...especially in a Spyro game....but the story made that up to me...because I just wanted to see what happened next.

I love the originals...but I was always upset about the stories...if they went more deeply into those maybe they would have been a little better to me...but then again keeping things the way they are were for the best. I like LoS for the characters, story, and just the new feel it gave....but that's just how I feel about it. I'm not gonna bash either of them...because plenty of that has been done already...

Dogface396 · Dec 02, 2008 7:50 PM

Honestly all the original games were great, but the only I like is DOTD.
Its just the best game I own for the PS3! :dead hobo: :explode:

Blaze the Dragon · Dec 02, 2008 8:30 PM

And, as I have said, I like each of them equally for different reasons. They're both good series, which is why I'm staying impartial.

RedDragonX · Dec 02, 2008 8:34 PM

Prolly the best place to be....so long as there are two different series to compare everyone will have a different opinion...just like Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers...ughhh...nevermind lol...

Taco Godess · Dec 03, 2008 6:00 AM

"EEEEEE AAAAA EEEEEEEH EEEEEAAAAA eeeEEEEEEAAAAEEEEOSHHHH AAAWWWW AAAAA OOOOO"

It's just SO epic.
Not.
That is a total rip-off of the Colossus music.

Stewart Copeland was creative. His music really felt like it was describing the level. By this, I mean you can just listent to one of his pieces and the level will sort of unfold in your mind. At least, it does in mine.

Button mashing puts the "mindless" in "videogames." What's the point of having a specific combination of buttons for each move if you're not even going to pay attention to what buttons your fingers are pressing? There is no point.

"Hay, Imma gonna go save sum old guyz so dat I can obtain powurz to kill my future girlfriend."
WHY is he doing this?
Oh yeah.
Ominous Voice: Beecauseeee, Spyyyroooo, it's your destinyyyyyy.

And to think I used to be a huge tLoS fan. Pffft. It's chock full of cliches.
TLoS fans, don't kill me. I have nothing against YOU, just the trilogy.

Blaze the Dragon · Dec 03, 2008 11:45 AM

Taco_Godess I do agree with you on one thing about TLoS, it's too full of cliches. Father figure dying (which is what really bugs me about DotD), a booming, ominous voice for the main villain. Don't make me go on... I'm surprised though, I mean, at least ANB and TEN had some original things, such as the Chronicler and what the purple dragon can do unlike the other dragons. But after that, in DotD... the plot line didn't have as many original things in it as ANB and TEN, it was almost a carbon copy of Lord of the Rings.

And Malefor's goal, HUGE red light there! In ANB and TEN, it was stated that if Malefor was to return, the world would be shrouded in darkness, and he would conquer it. But in DotD, he changed his goal to destroying the world. It's like the writers suddenly lost their train of thought, and hopped onto someone else's.

Stormy · Dec 03, 2008 4:23 PM

taco_godess wrote:

"Hay, Imma gonna go save sum old guyz so dat I can obtain powurz to kill my future girlfriend."
WHY is he doing this?
Oh yeah.
Ominous Voice: Beecauseeee, Spyyyroooo, it's your destinyyyyyy.

OMG... I'd be dying of laughter if I wasn't in Computer Science class right now. XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Yeah, that's another reason I don't like TLoS. There are so many "epic" type storylines out there, and most of them put this one to shame. =P It tries too hard.

And button-mashing, elemental fury combos, eew.

RedDragonX · Dec 03, 2008 10:10 PM

I could say a lot of mean things right now lol....but I'm not going to...I think I'll just go to the gym instead. Each series has its ups and downs. I didn't mind LoS despite its obvious shortcomings. I will play it if I need something to do...but I'm different just as everyone else is....it all is gonna depend on what you see in a game......since I love a nice story...even if it has those cliches that every story has...I really like the characters.....and wanted to find out just what happend to them.

But that's just me....

Blaze the Dragon · Dec 03, 2008 10:17 PM

Eh, true XRedDragonX. But the thing about Malefor switching his goals bothers me though. It's said he'll conquer the world in ANB and TEN, and then in DotD, they make him try to destroy the world instead.

RedDragonX · Dec 03, 2008 10:21 PM

Well...I always took it as they said...that he would shroud the world in darkness...I have not played TEN in awhile....so I would have to go through it again.....but I always took that in DotD....as he is shrouding the world in darkness by bringing about its end and the great cleansing....again I would have to go through the games again....but loopholes like that don't really get to me unless I notice it right away...which I didn't....but as for comparing them....you know what everyone is gonna be different.......I'm sick of arguing over it...it is what it is....as long as they keep Spyro alive in some way I will be satisfied....maybe I just don't take it as seriously as others idk...but I enjoyed it...that's what matters.

Blaze the Dragon · Dec 03, 2008 10:23 PM

Precisely. It's pointless to argue, because at least Spyro's still going after ten years. Spyro easily could've been left for dead after YotD, but he wasn't. We should be glad that he's still around.

bananababy · Dec 03, 2008 10:31 PM

Refer to my signature, please. Anyone who feels they must argue, please read this.
EDIT: I can't decide a text color LOL

RedDragonX · Dec 03, 2008 10:32 PM

Well unfortunetly they will always argue so long as there is two different things to fight over...but yeah I feel like it could have easily died after the original games...and they have indeed tried to make it better..or at least keep things alive....but as far as most are concerned....this is only an "imposter" Spyro...something betraying the true meaning of the games..to which I conclude in some degree...yes you are correct....but it's better then nothing at all...and personally I like being able to control two different Spyro characters.....and I will always give credit to those who have made the attempt in doing so....but that's just me...

bananababy wrote:

Refer to my signature, please. Anyone who feels they must argue, please read this.
EDIT: I can't decide a text color LOL

I really wish that would work lol...but it's human nature..they will always argue if their is something to fight over....and they don't see it as fighting...but instead as sharing opinions...but to many that is basically the perfect cover for fighting over something yes....at least to present your idea as to why one series is dominant over the other.....at least that's the cover wording for it lol.....nothing anyone can really do to keep those opinions from being shared I'm afraid...

Don't double post, please.

Stormy · Dec 03, 2008 11:42 PM

*sigh* Why doesn't anyone get it? Forums are supposed to be places where you discuss things, not necessarily agree about everything. There'd be no point to a forum if there weren't some good conflicts now and then; that's the whole point: debate and discuss. If you don't like it, stay out of those kinds of threads.

RedDragonX · Dec 03, 2008 11:45 PM

It's not the point of not enjoying a good discusion "cough" argument "cough" now and then lol...on an open forum yes that is to be expected....it is when people go overboard on it is the problem...I was simply pointing out that many use the open opinion idea to clearly bash or disdain anything they can in a disrespectful manner lol...that and as I said.....so long as there will be two different series...there will always be endless debates...that's all I was saying.

Kazoobie64 · Dec 03, 2008 11:57 PM

If they bash something they don't like, then it's their opinion. I can say "cucumbers are retarded and they should never be grown again" and a person that likes cucumbers would object, but I doubt they'd get angry over what someone thinks about dumb cucumbers. Spyro is a fictional series and should be treated the same or even in less regard because cucumbers are actually real.

I don't really understand why people demand other people to say "in my opinion" either; "in my opinion" is just stating the obvious. The difference between a fact and opinion is elementary stuff and anybody should recognize it even when it's not stated. I can say "God pandas are lame, lazy creatures that needed to go extinct a long time ago and you guys are all blind if you can't see it!" and I wouldn't add "in my opinion" because that much was already evident without adding an unnecessary confirmation.

Either way, nobody was arguing in this topic; unless you guys are getting touchy about opinions and I can't see it in your writing.

Stormy · Dec 04, 2008 12:12 AM

Exactly, Kazoobie. I actually find that using stronger, "disrespectful" language accentuates my point better than being wishy-washy about it and saying stuff like, "Well, I don't like it. But that's my opinion."

Being disrespectful to a person is one thing, but to a game? Come on. =P

bananababy · Dec 04, 2008 2:36 AM

Kazoobie64 wrote:

If they bash something they don't like, then it's their opinion. I can say "cucumbers are retarded and they should never be grown again" and a person that likes cucumbers would object, but I doubt they'd get angry over what someone thinks about dumb cucumbers.

...And if cucumbers are dumb? ._.

JK XD
I was just trying to be random to lighten the mood in the room, stop throwing tomatoes at me ._.
Oh wait, you aren't.....yet.
*clicks submit and flees* D:

RedDragonX · Dec 04, 2008 3:48 AM

I don't demand anyone to state their opinion lol....everyone will present their honest feelings in a direct manner...the way you present it is what matters to me I suppose...but whatever....nothing really to get worked up on...it depends on the person. I am not fond of people who present things in a disrespectful manner lol...that's just me...perhaps it's my military nature that inteferes with that...but I still respect their opinion.....and what really gets me when they knowingly go overboard under the protection of presenting their opinions...but again that's just me....the debate will continue on for quites some time...

Taco Godess · Dec 04, 2008 6:14 AM

I think that, oh hold on, I forgot to mention that this is my opinion, *ahem* so, yes, in my opinion I think that Malefor's evil plan is rather silly. Remember, folks: That was an OPINION, even though that was obvious as soon as you read "I think."

So, basically, his plan is to blow up the world so he can rule it. Makes sense. Exept he missed one tiny little detail...
YOU CAN'T TAKE OVER THE WORLD AFTER YOU BLOW IT UP!
I think Malefor's way of thinking got reeeally screwed up. At least, I'm pretty sure he wanted to take over the world. Or maybe he just wanted to commit suicide and thought, Hey, why don't I get my revenge on people who are already DEAD while I'm at it?

RedDragonX · Dec 04, 2008 6:40 AM

"sigh"...now that was just trying to be annoying with the whole opinion thing lol......but yeah...you're pretty much right....nothing like a good loophole in the plot...but I really don't consider that a real big problem...said he would take over the world and shroud the land in darkness...which he pretty much had control over most of the world in DotD...and was about to shroud the world pretty much by cleasing it and beginning the new age.....but what do I know....I didn't develop the game.

Whatever lol....why am I still awake.....night!

Stormy · Dec 04, 2008 3:42 PM

For crying out loud, I can't see why it's such a big deal to be "disrespectful" toward a game. The whole "in my opinion" stuff is pretty much self-evident; you shouldn't need to say it every time. And who cares if you insult a game as long as you're not insulting a person?

taco_godess: So they never explain why the world was exploding at the end? I thought I must have been missing something because I've never played DotD, but really.... -__- And how does Spyro doing a fury put the world back together? Nonsense, I tell you. In my opinion, of course tongue

RedDragonX · Dec 04, 2008 6:26 PM

It isn't a big deal if you want to be disrespectful towards a game lol..after all it's pretty much half and half. Just when people go overboard about it is the deal...but that's besides the point.

And yes the explain why the world was falling apart at the end...Malefor resurected the Destroyer to END THE WORLD. As it was the duty of all the purple dragons apparantly to bring about the great cleansing by resurecting the Destroyer. That was pretty much why the world was falling apart after the Destroyer acomplished its goal.

As for Spryo's fury attack...I pretty much think the developers expected you to have an open mind about it. Spyro is a rare purple dragon who has access to abilities still rather unknown. He knew that he could stop it by taping into the power deep within him..and the ending was meant to be a traditional sacrifice myself to others kinda deal. Even with Ignitus's last message. "His spirit lives on..binding itself with nature, offering hope for the future." Hence why Spyro didn't hesitate to use all the power within him to resurect the world.

Again if you have never played the game and are pretty much just relying on other people's experiences..you will get a pretty one directional approach to it. Try playing it for yourself.

#51 Dec 02, 2008 7:36 AM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#52 Dec 02, 2008 12:32 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#53 Dec 02, 2008 7:15 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#54 Dec 02, 2008 7:50 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#55 Dec 02, 2008 8:30 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#56 Dec 02, 2008 8:34 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#57 Dec 03, 2008 6:00 AM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#58 Dec 03, 2008 11:45 AM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#59 Dec 03, 2008 4:23 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#60 Dec 03, 2008 10:10 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#61 Dec 03, 2008 10:17 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#62 Dec 03, 2008 10:21 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#63 Dec 03, 2008 10:23 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#64 Dec 03, 2008 10:31 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#65 Dec 03, 2008 10:32 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#66 Dec 03, 2008 11:42 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#67 Dec 03, 2008 11:45 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#68 Dec 03, 2008 11:57 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#69 Dec 04, 2008 12:12 AM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#70 Dec 04, 2008 2:36 AM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#71 Dec 04, 2008 3:48 AM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#72 Dec 04, 2008 6:14 AM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#73 Dec 04, 2008 6:40 AM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#74 Dec 04, 2008 3:42 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

#75 Dec 04, 2008 6:26 PM

Re: Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

Board footer