Insomniac Games Vs. Sierra

bananababy · Nov 17, 2008 11:39 PM

XRedDragonX wrote:

bananababy wrote:
I rather like how the new games are that way; requiring energy refills and such-- gives me a sense of accomplishment to do something with more challenge.
Yeah that's kinda how I felt about it too...but it's different for every gamer...as the nice post above yours clearly stated....some think it's a waste of time and such....but that's just what I think.

Yeah, the old games are good, I like the new ones a tiny bit more, because of the challenge, but some people's opinions differ, I guess. smile

EDIT: WHOA, 666TH POST O_o

Kazoobie64 · Nov 18, 2008 12:11 AM

I wouldn't really call the old games "easy" just because of their simple combat. Sometimes that simple combat could really trick you, like when Insomniac decide to be jerks and place an enemy behind something where you can't see it and as soon as you come around the corner it catches you by surprise. There's also those darn possum things in Mystic Marsh, and the gun-loaders in the port where the Gnasty's World was. There was also the infamous phrase "thinking like Insomniac" where they hid gems in places that would make you look around forever. Speedways can get pretty frustrating sometimes too if you're a first-timer, especially aiming for the skill points.

And of course that dreaded final skateboard challenge, and some other mini-games like the one that produced "trouble with the trolley, Spyro?!?!?!?!?" which is another infamous phrase.

TornWings · Nov 18, 2008 12:15 AM

Juneau wrote:

Insomniac FTW.
Like Stormy said, there's no competition what-so-ever. >_>
The new games are just stupid. Especially the fact that you need energy gems to breath fire. Everyone has their own version of dragons, but that's just dumb! It was probably added to make the game more complex, but it's just annoying. I'm SO glad that on my DS version there's a cheat I unlocked that gives you unlimited energy.

It's a gameplay mechanic.

Generally speaking breath attacks > melee, so they limit breath attacks.

Think what you will of it, just know there's a reason for it.

RedDragonX · Nov 18, 2008 3:24 AM

Kazoobie64 wrote:

I wouldn't really call the old games "easy" just because of their simple combat. Sometimes that simple combat could really trick you, like when Insomniac decide to be jerks and place an enemy behind something where you can't see it and as soon as you come around the corner it catches you by surprise. There's also those darn possum things in Mystic Marsh, and the gun-loaders in the port where the Gnasty's World was. There was also the infamous phrase "thinking like Insomniac" where they hid gems in places that would make you look around forever. Speedways can get pretty frustrating sometimes too if you're a first-timer, especially aiming for the skill points.
And of course that dreaded final skateboard challenge, and some other mini-games like the one that produced "trouble with the trolley, Spyro?!?!?!?!?" which is another infamous phrase.

Pretty much lol....heck I hated that Haunted Towers level in the original game -.-....all those freaking knights that I couldn't kill until you got smooched by the fairy....but it was cool to see them blow apart big_smile ....most of those levels did take some serious thinking to get through....

Haunted Towers, Dark Passage....and the one way up in the trees where you gotta catch all those spies....@[email protected] I remember why the first is my favorite lol....

Stormy · Nov 18, 2008 4:02 PM

Yeah, one reason I like the Insomniac ones more is because I'd rather think about what I'm playing than mindlessly smash buttons. tongue I don't know about the rest of you, but I didn't think ANB and TEN took any strategy at all. All you really have to do is keep on whacking the things until they die. -___-

Anti_Spyro · Nov 18, 2008 8:04 PM

Stormy wrote:

Yeah, one reason I like the Insomniac ones more is because I'd rather think about what I'm playing than mindlessly smash buttons. I don't know about the rest of you, but I didn't think ANB and TEN took any strategy at all. All you really have to do is keep on whacking the things until they die. -___-

Yeah one of the big faults of any game BUTTON MASHING!!!

RedDragonX · Nov 18, 2008 9:41 PM

Stormy wrote:

Yeah, one reason I like the Insomniac ones more is because I'd rather think about what I'm playing than mindlessly smash buttons. I don't know about the rest of you, but I didn't think ANB and TEN took any strategy at all. All you really have to do is keep on whacking the things until they die. -___-

Well ANB and TEN were just..kill all the enemies...move the next area....kill even more enemies...move to the next area. Just pretty mind numbing...hence why the only reason I liked them was thank to the story...but DotD did improve on it a little bit.....at least they were open environments.

The only strategy you had to think about was dodge...find some attack that worked.....and occassionally a puzzle. The original Spyro kept things very simple against enemies...but still made you think on how to find everything in the level...

Anti_Spyro · Nov 19, 2008 4:27 AM

XRedDragonX wrote:

Well ANB and TEN were just..kill all the enemies...move the next area....kill even more enemies...move to the next area. Just pretty mind numbing...hence why the only reason I liked them was thank to the story...but DotD did improve on it a little bit.....at least they were open environments.

That's pretty common these days yet the public likes it, I hate it. mad

ratchet · Nov 19, 2008 12:00 PM

Kazoobie64 wrote:

I wouldn't really call the old games "easy" just because of their simple combat. Sometimes that simple combat could really trick you, like when Insomniac decide to be jerks and place an enemy behind something where you can't see it and as soon as you come around the corner it catches you by surprise. There's also those darn possum things in Mystic Marsh, and the gun-loaders in the port where the Gnasty's World was. There was also the infamous phrase "thinking like Insomniac" where they hid gems in places that would make you look around forever. Speedways can get pretty frustrating sometimes too if you're a first-timer, especially aiming for the skill points.
And of course that dreaded final skateboard challenge, and some other mini-games like the one that produced "trouble with the trolley, Spyro?!?!?!?!?" which is another infamous phrase.

Exaculy! I hate it how some people think because most enemies only take one hit the game's "easy"
THERES MORE THINGS THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT IN A GAME THAN ENEMIES

RedDragonX · Nov 19, 2008 5:14 PM

I didn't find the enemies themselves very difficult...most of them were just plain fun to screw around with lol....what I loved about those games was how much you had to think about a certain level to find all the gems and such....it was just a really good combination.

Anti_Spyro · Nov 19, 2008 8:17 PM

XRedDragonX wrote:

I didn't find the enemies themselves very difficult...most of them were just plain fun to screw around with lol....what I loved about those games was how much you had to think about a certain level to find all the gems and such....it was just a really good combination.

Very true. Were you find the hardness is in platforming, jumping from platform to platform. Like Spyro 1's Tree Tops for example.

RedDragonX · Nov 19, 2008 8:48 PM

Yeah...that level was a real pain for awhile lol....that one and Haunted Towers took me awhile to figure out...but I enjoyed it...all that supercharging really was entertaining lol..

RadSpyro · Nov 23, 2008 8:47 PM

Insomniac, no contest.

I find the newer games, whilst still enjoyable (Excluding ANB, which, sorry guys, still I find boring for some reason) not as fun to play as the originals. Not only are they much easier to complete (Getting all the Gems took ages on the old games - Until you memorized their locations) there's not much else to do other than bash bash bash. I only got DOTD two days ago, so I won't judge it yet. Plus, Sierra don't seem too creative, IMHO.

RedDragonX · Nov 23, 2008 8:57 PM

They took it in a different direction that they knew wouldn't cater to all the fans. Instead it would break many away..which they knew would happen...but it's simply two drastically different systems...the older games easily combined pretty simple gameplay with open environments. Not much story but it didn't really matter when you had a game that was so entertaining you just wanted to continue playing.

LoS doesn't really do that for most gamers...instead focusing on bashing enemies in zone after zone as to continue the overall storyline..which some gamers can enjoy..but of course not all. Personally I think both did a very enjoyable job.

SpaceKase · Dec 01, 2008 6:33 AM

I like both Insomniac's trilogy, and Sierra's- I just like Insomniac's better.

The LoS series is lovely in its own right- the graphics are breath-taking, the soundtrack is lovely, the voice-acting is (for the most part) good, and the story is one I wanted to know the end of. Overall, I applaud Sierra for trying something new with our favorite purple dragon.

Still, I don't think LoS compares to StD, RR, or YotD. (So many abbreviations. I guess I'm being lazy tonight?) The old games weren't the peak of story-telling, but for it still has everything else that LoS has- fitting, well-composed music, good voice-acting that gave us clear ideas of everyone's personalities, and graphics that were quite cutting-edge (for its time, anyway). And Insomniac actually put thought into their games' gameplay. Though they all got a bit repetetive (mainly in things that you had to collect) in places, there was still plenty to do in each game- flame gnorcs that mooned you, ride in a trolley, shoot submarines, skateboard...the list goes on.

ANB, on the other hand, had...bashing/breathing at apes, spirits, etc., etc, until you got to the next cutscene. Which got boring after a long while, and tedious rather than fun. The people at Sierra must have heard the complaints, because it seems that they did try to improve the gameplay in TEN , because they added the concept of Dragon Time, added things to collect, and made some of the puzzles more difficult. However, they also seemed to think that more complicated combat=good game, which I disagreed with- perhaps this just says something about my gaming ability, but I thought the combat bordered on brutal at times. Dawn of the Dragon, I think, did a little better in this regard- the novelty of being able to fly anywhere for the first time never really did wear off for me, and the battles and collecting weren't as easy as in ANB, but still not as brutal as TEN. Still, with all of these games, I never played for the gameplay- I just played for the story (although finally getting to play alongside my sister in a Spyro game for the first time was pretty cool. It involved a lot of, "We're going this way!" "NO, THIS way!" Good times). The first three games were just pure fun, from beginning to end. I still play them whenever I've had a bad day.

And, uh...I guess that's it. I think everything I've said has already been said by someone else.

RedDragonX · Dec 01, 2008 6:43 AM

Well said...well said...that's pretty much how I feel about them...great post..

ratchet · Dec 01, 2008 10:56 AM

I feel similar too exept for: "Though they all got a bit repetetive (mainly in things that you had to collect) in places" seeing The original games were famous for having "too much" variety, Spyro 2 And 3 anyway ( Alot of TLOS fans compare TLOS to Spyro 1 which need much improvements and was far inferior to Spyro 2 and 3, still better than TLOS though).

But yeah, the difference between you and me i think is that I get angry at TLOS at times because it rebooted the series. As themselves, TLOS is mediocre, as a Reboot, TLOS is a tragic disaster, that is how i see it. Either way, the originals were much better in almost every aspect

Kazoobie64 · Dec 01, 2008 3:24 PM

When you really think about it, all games are repetitive in some areas. The game designer has to make that repetitiviness work and make it fun no matter what. Some games THRIVE on repetitiveness, such as Harvest Moon, Animal Crossing and The Sims, and their repitition is somehow fun.

Stormy · Dec 01, 2008 6:28 PM

ratchet wrote:

But yeah, the difference between you and me i think is that I get angry at TLOS at times because it rebooted the series. As themselves, TLOS is mediocre, as a Reboot, TLOS is a tragic disaster, that is how i see it. Either way, the originals were much better in almost every aspect

I definitely agree with this; that's my main gripe against TLoS. If they had just invented some other new dragon character and left Spyro well enough alone, I couldn't have cared less how much TLoS sucks. But no, they had to take a perfectly good character and turn him into something completely different, just so they could make more money off the name "Spyro". >(

bananababy · Dec 01, 2008 10:07 PM

I don't see why so many people have to argue over the new series or the old.

In my opinion though, *to get back on topic*, all I saw the old series contain:
-Jumping from platforms to other platforms
-Getting from Point "A", to Point "B"
-Flaming enemies once and moving on(Easy Much?)
-Gathering random crud on the ground here and there
-An occasional unnecessary mini-game here or there.
-Random Glitches that happened at any given time

The new ones are similar; though contain improvements by far.
-Actual attacks (Not Ram/Breathe your hot, vile breath on things)
-More than one element (I'm not counting ETD and AHT as originals because they're kind of a series or whatever of their own and weren't a "Trilogy.")
-More challenging enemies
-Objects you had to collect were in less obvious places (The collectables in TEN; I don't know about DOTD yet. I haven't gotten the game, only seen a few videos. And ANB had no collectables.)
-Free Flight(In DOTD)
-Boss battles that didn't let you run around and throw miscellaneous junk at the enemy and laugh "HAHA I R BEET U NUB U STANDED STIL 2 LONG!!1"
-OMG, Comprehend this as a good thing for once, Sparx is now a sentient being with SPEECH.
-Wow, I don't die in 4 hits anymore!

There are errors in TLoS and good things in The Originals as well, It's just that I find more fun (And Challenge) In TLoS.
I'll edit this post as soon as I think about trying to make sense. Some of this post didn't make any sense to me.
Oh Flipping Well.

RedDragonX · Dec 01, 2008 10:45 PM

It's all gonna be bassed on how you see a game and how you feel when you play through it...we can go on and on about it until the end of time and nobody will ever change their mindsets about it. Like I'm resigned to the fact that LoS was not the greatest creation they could come up with, but I liked it as a reboot, while others like Ratchet disagree with that...but I love both of the series...they each had their ups and downs...and I enjoy picking up the originals and going through them just the same as the new games...that's just me....

Like said before...pretty much all games...just like movies are repetative...hence that lovely little argument about cliches that has been hanging around for awhile lol...but you will have lovers of the old series who see anything else made in Spyro's image as an imposter...and that's the way they will always feel about it. No use changing anyones minds lol..that's the way I thought too until I got use to the new games and really found myself enjoying the storyline.

So in my mind I liked the reboot for it's reasons..and I still love the old series a ton...and the old ones are def better then the new ones...but LoS has a fair view in my mind...each is good for what it is. I'm just very open minded for both of them...and I think the only hugly negative thing the LoS series has done was split the fanbase like so. Again that's just what I think though...

Blaze the Dragon · Dec 01, 2008 11:27 PM

I personally like both of them equally. I like them for different reasons, and those reasons are my own. Although, I seriously don't think this topic is such a good idea. Every time a topic such as this is created, all it does is cause wars between the fans of the Insomniac games, and fans of TLoS.

RedDragonX · Dec 02, 2008 3:02 AM

Yeah that's pretty true....I'm getting pretty sick of topics like this too...but so long as their are two different things to compare...they will always find some way to fight over them I'm afraid...

Stormy · Dec 02, 2008 3:45 AM

That's silly. No one is trying to fight over anything; we just want to get our opinions across.

RedDragonX · Dec 02, 2008 4:59 AM

I have seen plenty of topics where it has pretty much gotten to that point lol...I think the primary point was that he is sick of seeing so many topics that are comparing these two series...and I have to agree..because you know as well as I that there are many who want the old ones to come back...and those that like the new ones.....and they certainly use these topics as a way to say just how they feel about the games as their opinions....since it's an open forum that's how it's gonna be lol.....opinions are the perfect way to bash anything of course lol.....and though it's not called fighting per say....it's nearly the same thing...just with a more professional name lol....

Either way I don't really care...I'm just itching to see what they come out with next....

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