Do you like the original games?

ratchet · Jan 30, 2008 2:48 AM

I've asked which one is better before, but does anyone not even like the original games?
PS: Any time i flame you, im just stating my opinion kay, not saying your wrong

dragon protector x · Jan 30, 2008 3:21 AM

Aye. I like all spyro games....except the very hard to beat game boy advanced games....I still havent beaten one...let alone fought the final boss in any of them.

Pete the Iguana · Jan 30, 2008 6:21 PM

Heck yeah! The games of the original trilogy are my favorite in the series.

ratchet · Feb 03, 2008 7:09 AM

Hey Pip, what was the matter with the originals. Too long and fun for you?

Pip · Feb 03, 2008 9:57 AM

ratchet wrote:

Hey Pip, what was the matter with the originals. Too long and fun for you?

Why are you even trying to tount me?
You're just an ignorant whelp with a poor understanding of reality.
I had those games before you could even think eatin with anything than a spoon. Don't bug me boy - I've had about enough of your empty statements.

Blaze the Dragon · Feb 03, 2008 1:46 PM

Well said Pip. You are only trying to antagonize Pip, ratchet. Something that is ill-advised to do to anyone. I liked the old Spyro games, yes. But the thing is, everything has to change at some point. The fact that you don't even CONSIDER TLoS as Spyro games, it disgusts me. It also shows that you're not a loyal Spyro fan, because you're too preoccupied with the originals.

Spyrorocks · Feb 03, 2008 6:39 PM

I, personally, like the new games. The old ones were classic, but the new ones are just... well... they tell the story of spyro. I have always liked the games for the story.

I am going to try something a little bit different here. Ratchet, feel free to flame and argue with anyone in this thread (But be warned they will do the same back to you). In return for me allowing such behavior, shut up about how much you hate LoS when posting/PMing anywhere else. I will allow it in THIS thread only, no PMs or such (Well, I can't exactly control your IMs or Emails, but you understand what I'm talking about).

Have fun...

Spyro · Feb 03, 2008 7:53 PM

Blaze the Dragon wrote:

Well said Pip. You are only trying to antagonize Pip, ratchet. Something that is ill-advised to do to anyone. I liked the old Spyro games, yes. But the thing is, everything has to change at some point. The fact that you don't even CONSIDER TLoS as Spyro games, it disgusts me. It also shows that you're not a loyal Spyro fan, because you're too preoccupied with the originals.

I like the originals better. I don't think to hate the new ones makes you not a fan. The old ones were funnier, cheerier and longer. The new games lack the Spyro essence - the wit and charm. They have better, more epic stories, yes. The music is outstanding. The cutscenes are like a CGI movie. However, I think that it was too gloomy and lacked puzzles, I mean Dragon Time could have been put to more use. There was some issues with during-play graphics. The enemy AI wasn't that much improved from ANB like they said it was. I liked that it had more platforming but missed the other characters and the brighter levels (like Tall Plains and Kane) that ANB had.

I can accept change in a series as long as it doesn't abandon its roots. Rayman 1 was a sidescrolling platformer. Rayman 2 was more of an open-ended platformer but still had a linear feeling. Rayman 3 was free-roaming but still a platforming style game. Rayman 4 was a party game. It was a major change, however not a controversial one. Why? It still had the silliness, charm and characters of the platformers. It changed genres but carried its core essence. The 'Legend of' Spyro series dropped everything. All the old characters were abandoned, it was totally dark and serious which none of the previous games were, it didn't try to be charming or bright and the gameplay turned a 180. There's a difference between a series progressing and trying something new, like Rayman, but keeping the aspects that made it what it was - and a series changing but dropping all that gave it its identity, like what's happened with Spyro.

I don't think it's ever healthy to be totally pro-anything, you should always see both sides. That's why I'm not always pro-Spyro sounding. Indeed I question sometimes the greatness of a Spyro title but I'm still a strong fan whether you see it that way or not.

If ratchet wants to reject the new Spyro titles I think that's fine. I don't reject them, I love the Chronicler and the levels/locales are very interesting. I find many things to like in them (but admittedly, far more to dislike). If ratchet so chooses to not like the new games that's his perogative and he's still a Spyro fan in my eyes.

I'm not a Spyro drone. Think of it like this: Now I'm catholic but I seriously question those around me. There are catholics who go to church each week, hear the sermon, go home and that's it. Others go to church each week, hear the sermon, and then adopt what the priest said as their beliefs. To them I'd be a blasphemer to say what I do. I'm a catholic but I don't believe in purgatory and I don't believe that non-heterosexuals are Hell's kindling. That's only the beginning of my out-of-the-norm Catholic belief. I'm currently being confirmed. I want to be Catholic. I believe that we have doctrines that no other faith has that are true and right and biblical. I question some things that our pope tells us and our priests repeat but I am still a Catholic through and through and have no qualms about fighting with my Lutheran friend in a battle of beliefs. The same principle applies here. I'm a Spyro fan, but I question some things. I question sometimes how much Sierra cares about Spyro or if he's their get rich quick scheme. I don't always think the Spyro games are perfect, sometimes I feel they lack certain gameplay elements and such. I'm still a Spyro fan through and through and no lesser a fan than you or anyone. I think the Catholic who questions his faith and reflects rather than just absorbs his priest's words and moves on is a stronger Catholic. That's why I'm so devoted to questioning Spyro and not just saying each game is superb because it has Spyro in it.

So ratchet is still a fan to me and his choice to reject the new games is fair and shouldn't be questioned. He likes Spyro in some form - so that makes him a fan.

However, his comment to Pip was unwarranted and I do not think it was fair or necessary. If Pip dislikes the old games he's still a fan, too.

Spyrorocks · Feb 03, 2008 7:57 PM

Its not so much about ratchet's hatred towards the game, its the way hes trying to start arguments with other people about it at every chance he gets, thats why I said it was fine for him to have this thread to insult people, maybe then he will shutup.

Spyro · Feb 03, 2008 8:07 PM

I know, I just disagree with the concept that hating the new games means you're "not a fan". The same with hating the old games makes you "not a fan". You're a fan if you like Spyro, period. You don't have to like it all. Picking and choosing is fine.

Anyways, BOT

SpyroGirl101 · Feb 03, 2008 9:23 PM

Spyrorocks wrote:

I, personally, like the new games. The old ones were classic, but the new ones are just... well... they tell the story of Spyro. I have always liked the games for the story.
I am going to try something a little bit different here. Ratchet, feel free to flame and argue with anyone in this thread (But be warned they will do the same back to you). In return for me allowing such behavior, shut up about how much you hate LoS when posting/PMing anywhere else. I will allow it in THIS thread only, no PMs or such (Well, I can't exactly control your IMs or Emails, but you understand what I'm talking about).
Have fun...

*evil laugh*

Cynder Fan · Feb 03, 2008 10:30 PM

PS: Any time i flame you, im just stating my opinion kay, not saying your wrong

You've already told Pip that she was "wrong", but in different words. You've done the same to several members who have stated that they liked the LOS series. If you hate the games enough to have a heart attack over people who like them, then why are you still posting in the New Beginning and Eternal Night forum? o_O Or is there something about the two games that keep you coming back for more?

Spyro · Feb 03, 2008 10:45 PM

We don't need to start a fight. Let this be the place for ratchet to share his feelings.

Spyrorocks · Feb 03, 2008 11:28 PM

I approved this topic for arguments, because thats what ratchet is after, an argument. So lets let him have what he wants.

Antr the Rolf · Feb 04, 2008 12:08 AM

I never cared..but I like how he is gonna be in a movie!I kinda or mostly like the new ones better!

ratchet · Feb 04, 2008 8:49 AM

Spyrorocks wrote:

I approved this topic for arguments, because thats what ratchet is after, an argument. So lets let him have what he wants.

Hey, thats just my personality lol XD.
No, i dont flame people via PM at all, and no, i dont reguard TLOS as a spyro game because it has nothing to do with spyro.
If spyro became the most awesome FPS ever, i would still say "this isn't a spyro game" and i would probably hate it because its using the spyro license, the same thing is happening here. I'll be editing this post and argueing with you all because thats what i do (if you havn't realised). Ofcource, whatever i say is just what i mean, if i think your wrong, doesn't mean YOU ARE wrong.
Pip, seriously, i just wanted to know why you didn't like the originals, i can take critisism, but i wasn't trying to start a big fight. Hey, argueing is fun, and it improves your english.

Blaze the dragon: Actually, i do consider other games than the originals, otherwise i wouldn't of even bought TLOS, AHT, ETD or even tried to find the GBA roms. AS i said, TLOS has nothing to do with spyro, so thats why i dont think its a spyro game. Ok fine, im not a loyal fan then, but Imagine if Mario Turned Alot difference, jusy forgot about his old games intirely and became a pure action game. If nobody liked that, would you consider them not loyal fans?

Spyro: Amen Spyro, Amen. I have a bit more ideas than that, but you really outlined a few things. I dont like TLOS for 2 reasons.
1.Its not spyro but still uses the spyro title
2.The bad things out number the good things
I will go and see the Spyro movie because its like seeing a movie about some other video game. So your probably thinking "why dont you just treat TLOS like another video game?" well the problem is, its using the spyro title. And thats not yetting any other developers make their spyro game. And I just basicly found ANB and TEN to not be very fun.

Cynder fan: to share my opinions. I'm also trying to find what IS so good about these games. Arguing makes people search in their mind and find these good things, and thats why i argue.

Deathseeker:I think its great that TLOS has given people so much inspiration that theres going to be a movie. And thats what i think TLOs should of been in the first place.

Pip · Feb 05, 2008 2:14 PM

ratchet wrote:

Pip, seriously, i just wanted to know why you didn't like the originals, i can take critisism, but i wasn't trying to start a big fight. Hey, argueing is fun, and it improves your english.

No Racthet, you knew that you were starting a fight - and a fight you will get. You knew that I would write something back when you made that post, so don't make others believe that kind of bull.
I don't tollerate people like you who thinks that the world revolves around yourself - to me, you seem nothing but a spoiled child who want's his way.

The fact that you didn't even know who owned the copyrights to the franchise at first, signifies to me, that you're just another ignorant, negative person, who can't seem to cope with a little change.
You, yourself, seem to know absolutely nothing about, how the real world resides, but yet I read numerous posts by you, when you terrorise others - telling them that "They are wrong". But you know what? I think YOU for once, are wrong.

TLoS IS Spyro - Spyro IS TLoS

The fact that you don't regard this to be true - is wrong. And again, you cleary haven't realized that there's nothing you can do about it, because if you had realized these things, you would have stopped complaining a long time ago. It's so painfully obvious, I grit my teeth everytime I lay my eyes on all the crap guys like you seem to pour endless streams of on the internet.

In my subjective opinion, I belive that change was a good thing. Spyro needed a proper storyline, that were less tainted by former games. The fact that a company dared to do this, is an acomplishment worth noticing, since there are a lot of negative "fans" out there who, like you, can't cope with a little fresh air. You glorify the old games because they were the first, and thats another great mistake you, and many others have made.

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And now for your little question:

I do like the originals, but like every other game, they had certain flaws that I'm glad they got rid of in the new games.

SpyroGirl101 · Feb 05, 2008 9:30 PM

Pip wrote:

ratchet wrote:
Pip, seriously, i just wanted to know why you didn't like the originals, i can take critisism, but i wasn't trying to start a big fight. Hey, argueing is fun, and it improves your english.
No Racthet, you knew that you were starting a fight - and a fight you will get. You knew that I would write something back when you made that post, so don't make others believe that kind of bull.
I don't tollerate people like you who thinks that the world revolves around yourself - to me, you seem nothing but a spoiled child who want's his way.
The fact that you didn't even know who owned the copyrights to the franchise at first, signifies to me, that you're just another ignorant, negative person, who can't seem to cope with a little change.
You, yourself, seem to know absolutely nothing about, how the real world resides, but yet I read numerous posts by you, when you terrorise others - telling them that "They are wrong". But you know what? I think YOU for once, are wrong.
TLoS IS Spyro - Spyro IS TLoS
The fact that you don't regard this to be true - is wrong. And again, you cleary haven't realized that there's nothing you can do about it, because if you had realized these things, you would have stopped complaining a long time ago. It's so painfully obvious, I grit my teeth everytime I lay my eyes on all the crap guys like you seem to pour endless streams of on the internet.
In my subjective opinion, I belive that change was a good thing. Spyro needed a proper storyline, that were less tainted by former games. The fact that a company dared to do this, is an acomplishment worth noticing, since there are a lot of negative "fans" out there who, like you, can't cope with a little fresh air. You glorify the old games because they were the first, and thats another great mistake you, and many others have made.
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And now for your little question:
I do like the originals, but like every other game, they had certain flaws that I'm glad they got rid of in the new games.

*Grabs a bag of popcorn*XD

36ILikeSpyro36 · Feb 06, 2008 1:48 AM

i haven't played TLOS yet. it looks fun though =P

and, yes i like the original series =P
Spyro 2 was my first Spyro game. (don't ask xD)
so, since i'm used to the old Spyro, i'll probably like it more.
just like people who played TLOS first may like that more.

and btw, TLOS is Spyro. =P it's a purple dragon named Spyro who lives in the Dragon Realms with a little yellow dragonfly named Sparx, right? neutral
imo, it's the same thing, except they changed their looks, and they gave it a different story.

ratchet · Feb 06, 2008 4:59 AM

Nope, its not really the same thing at all in my opinion, in my opinion the Original timeline did not need a fresh start, In my opinion i like the new storyline but the games realy didn't need to be rebooted, im my opinion the fact that Krome rebooted the series (and the developers quotes from interviews) showed me that they just decided that Spyro wasn't good as it was and his platforming days were over and needed to move on. In my opinion, this was imply not true. Mario for example has been going for more than 23 years as a platformer! There were only 5 games of Spyro as a platformer when it came to home consoles, 5 GAMES! In my opinion, thety should of just gave Spyro a developed storyline without rebooting, in my opinion the rebooting is just like giving up and saying "well, whats this spyro character? Hes a dragon, cool he must be doing lots of fighting, what he isn't? we must change that!"".

ILikeSpyro: In my opinion, the game has changed much more. Ofcource they are the SIMILAR things but if you pull out all the differences, they are totally outweighed.

Pip: Hi Pip once again. In my opinion Pip, i just wanted to know what was so bad about the originals, yes i love to argue and thats probably why i said that. If you want a word fight, ok im in!
First things first, i dont believe the world revolves around me, im just an arguer who has a different opinion to you. Im a spoilt child? No not really, everything i want i have to pay for even though i get straight As all year long. But i dont want to complain about that, just that you said i was a "spoilt child" found me puzzled. I dont know who owned the copyrights? well yeah, im pretty confused about the whole ownership thing and im pretty sure that Vivendi universal/ Sierra Own the copyrights to spyro, tell me if i am wrong.
Ignorant and negative? heh, i dont know, but i like to question things about why they happened!
Cope with a little change? In my opinion, TLOS was more than a "little changed", it rebooted which meant it just scapped the others and not only that, he changed mostly everything that was spyro.
I terrorized people? Not really, just saying what i thought about there posts, and well, whatever i say is my opinion, whatever i say is wrong is my opinion on what is wrong. I dont know in the world what is right and what is wrong. Its like me saying "apples taste terrible" to the whole world and i expect everyone to think apples ARE terrible (even though some people like em).

Well, they seemed to Reboot and say "this has nothing to do with" the 1998-2005 games, and Change all the characters, story and gameplay. In my opinion, TLOS isn't a spyro game, but another crappy game series with the spyro logo on it.
I know that i cant change Spyro (for now), but that doesn't stop me ranting and sharing my opinion. Why cant i just talk about TLOS with you in peace? well i cant because i just dont like TLOS, the fact that it doesn't feel anything like spyroin my opinion, and just the raw games in my opinion.
Crap i post? Well in my opinion, i dont just put "TLOS sucks because it does", i put good reasons and good examples in my opinions.

Once again Pip, In my opinion the series didn't need to be rebooted to have a great story, and i agree that Krome was really thoughtful in how they put those Awesome cutscenes in. I DO NOT glorify the original because they were the first, i can find good reasons why i dont like TLOS, and i can see the bad sides of the originals too aswell as the good sides i TLOS.
In my opinion, the flaws in the originals were banished, yet the good things were too, left with a new pile of flaws and goodies, but sadly there were more flaws than goodies this time.

Once again, this was my opinion

Spyrorocks · Feb 06, 2008 6:49 PM

Don't even compare Mario to spyro. You can't compare them.

They wanted a fresh start, to see where the could mold them series into. They might have wanted to attract a different kind of audience, adapt to how the game market has changed since 1998/2005. Technology moves fast, if you can't adapt you go bankrupt. Its all for the money.

Insomniac developed the original story line, sometimes once a franchise is sold they new owners would prefer to work the character their own way. Insomniac is known for the older spyro titles, perhaps serria/krome want to make it known what they contributed to the series with a major change.

Spyro · Feb 06, 2008 8:02 PM

ratchet, I had this same argument with two people myself. It never got resolved so maybe it's best you just agree to disagree and move on. I'm behind you in that TLoS was a major change and the first trilogy was the best but as hard as I tried to explain my positions to someone at another forum they never would let up and it became a very long, bitter fight.

If you care to read my arguments, see the whole fight here:

http://forums.vgames.com/thread.jspa?th … 3&tstart=0

That got to be very serious, if you read or at least skim it you can see that. You and Pip disagree on Spyro and that's fine. You're both fans, just leave it at that. Don't let this transpire into an endless fight that will see no resolution.

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