Really good video everyone should watch

DragonFireOKN · Feb 18, 2013 4:44 PM

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=377067949058685

Really gets the point across well. I'm unsure if this needed its own thread, could have posted it in the general discussion I suppose, but decided to make one anyway.

Any thoughts on its content?

Hwd45 · Feb 18, 2013 6:10 PM

Oh... wow... not sure what to say really, but... wow.

Twingo · Feb 18, 2013 6:56 PM

Hwd45 wrote:

Oh... wow... not sure what to say really, but... wow.

Haha is that a good or a bad thing?

Clock-la · Feb 18, 2013 7:53 PM

Need flash and coronation streets on big_smile

Edit:

Well that was...itresting... tongue

Not sure how to feel now xD

Mr. John · Feb 19, 2013 12:56 AM

Interesting makes you think.

Swaffy · Feb 19, 2013 4:55 AM

That video basically explains what the Bible says:

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"Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many
foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for
money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many
griefs. But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness,
godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness."
(1 Timothy 6:9-11)

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"For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his
own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?"
(Matthew 16:26)

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"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the
other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot
serve both God and Money. Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your
life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is
not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes?
So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or
'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your
heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and
his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well."
(Matthew 6:24-25, 31-33)

Clock-la · Feb 19, 2013 10:01 AM

smile there sweet passagase, funny how the bible can still have relevance in todays earth...[/img]

Stormy · Feb 19, 2013 5:20 PM

I wish things could work that way, but the fact is you have to make enough money to be able to live comfortably, at least to buy food and other necessities. As great as it would be to just forget about all of that, the way we've constructed our society makes this cycle the video was talking about impossible to break.

Like me for example: I've been in school studying computer science for the last 4 years. I'm discovering more and more as I go along that programming at a desk for eight hours a day is not going to make me happy... but what else is there? I could work from home, but without a salary how would I make enough money to pay off all my loans? Maybe I should have just not gone to college at all, but then I'd be working in retail or something, and that's not exactly my dream either.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Feb 19, 2013 6:45 PM

it's not impossible at all. there are so many possibilities in this world, that the thought of sitting around for the sake of payment should not even be a thought. so many places to explore, so many things to experience, and we're content as your post says to involve ourselves in a system that doesn't even exist. no, it really doesn't: money's value is made up. there is no actual survival benefit from money. it's just paper and metal. society is made up: people live in it because it's all they know, the systems of payment and bills, houses and marriages, kids and retirement, cars and movies, but there's an entire world beyond that that doesn't care about any of it, because it's all just following a flow that doesn't exist.

. . . food is grown almost everywhere in nature, there are ways of cooking meat that don't require electricity from expensive machines, the list goes on. it's not always a very comfortable lifestyle, no, but then you have to question what's more important: success or comfort. if your goal is living comfortably, then i really don't understand why you're living on planet Earth, there is no comfort here. there's only superficial comfort and transient comfort that only works for a while. after that, there are still hardships to face, so why avoid them only to have them come back at you, rather than run into them head-on? that's the only way to conquer something. nothing good ever came of waiting or accepting something in stride; there's no reason to do it with everyday struggles, either.

every species on this planet survives without dayjobs and societal hindrances. there is no reason why humans can't, too. it's actually worse for us to do that mentally and spiritually, because it causes us to lose sight of what's important in favor of adhering to systems that promise comfort while only causing us pain. hindering people in that way also causes them to lose sight of the fine and beautiful details of the world, that make it really worth living, rather than just surviving. are you happy with the idea of sitting around and getting paid for something you don't find yourself enjoying? is anything morally good at stake if you don't do it? then why are you doing it? you don't have to, because there's an alternative. . . .

you are given sentience, every human is, which should actually raise us a step above other species rather than below them, because of all the potential good we can do with that extra ability in our minds. a huge problem though, is that many of us are still so content to seek survival, rather than seeing the bigger picture (not hiding from it) and living life to its fullest potential, and there is no way at all to do that when basing your life around a job. the only way is to follow your heart and do what's right, what you want to do, something beyond the chains that society has on you.

the bigger picture is something we need to see. and the only way to do that is to leave this current society and achieve something bigger with our lives than comfortable living or petty money.

Last edited by 36IStillLikeSpyro36 (Nov 16, 2016 6:24 AM)

Clock-la · Feb 19, 2013 7:20 PM

Stormy wrote:

I wish things could work that way, but the fact is you have to make enough money to be able to live comfortably, at least to buy food and other necessities. As great as it would be to just forget about all of that, the way we've constructed our society makes this cycle the video was talking about impossible to break.
Like me for example: I've been in school studying computer science for the last 4 years. I'm discovering more and more as I go along that programming at a desk for eight hours a day is not going to make me happy... but what else is there? I could work from home, but without a salary how would I make enough money to pay off all my loans? Maybe I should have just not gone to college at all, but then I'd be working in retail or something, and that's not exactly my dream either.

Better to live a good short life than a dull ling one tongue

My dream is to go on a cruise...thats it really, i just love ships smile

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Feb 19, 2013 7:43 PM

i have wanted to sail the seas for some time, too. if you ever do, call me. you probably don't know my number, so just try random numbers until i answer.

Swaffy · Feb 19, 2013 8:18 PM

Quite a speech, ISLS. :]

I understand it's hard to get by these days with hurting economies and such. I
know people who spend day by day by day ... constantly working. If you're
spending every moment in life working, life probably isn't worth living.

RangerOfIthilien · Feb 19, 2013 8:40 PM

36IStillLikeSpyro36 wrote:

it's not impossible at all. there are so many possibilities in this world, that the thought of sitting around for the sake of payment should not even be a thought. so many places to explore, so many things to experience, and we're content as your post says to involve ourselves in a system that doesn't even exist. no, it really doesn't: money's value is made up. there is no actual survival benefit from money. it's just paper and metal. society is made up: people live in it because it's all they know, the systems of payment and bills, houses and marriages, kids and retirement, cars and movies, but there's an entire world beyond that that doesn't care about any of it, because it's all just following a flow that doesn't exist.
my heart has known a world where these values don't exist, and it's a very plausible system that i'll continue to promote until it happens. food is grown almost everywhere in nature, there are ways of cooking meat that don't require electricity from expensive machines, the list goes on. it's not always a very comfortable lifestyle, no, but then you have to question what's more important: success or comfort. if your goal is living comfortably, then i really don't understand why you're living on planet Earth, there is no comfort here. there's only superficial comfort and transient comfort that only works for a while. after that, there are still hardships to face, so why avoid them only to have them come back at you, rather than run into them head-on? that's the only way to conquer something. nothing good ever came of waiting or accepting something in stride; there's no reason to do it with everyday struggles, either.
every species on this planet survives without dayjobs and societal hindrances. there is no reason why humans can't, too. it's actually worse for us to do that mentally and spiritually, because it causes us to lose sight of what's important in favor of adhering to systems that promise comfort while only causing us pain. hindering people in that way also causes them to lose sight of the fine and beautiful details of the world, that make it really worth living, rather than just surviving. are you happy with the idea of sitting around and getting paid for something you don't find yourself enjoying? is anything morally good at stake if you don't do it? then why are you doing it? you don't have to, because there's an alternative. there are many alternatives. there are so many alternatives, that i can't begin to mention what all of them are.
you are given sentience, every human is, which should actually raise us a step above other species rather than below them, because of all the potential good we can do with that extra ability in our minds. a huge problem though, is that many of us are still so content to seek survival, rather than seeing the bigger picture (not hiding from it) and living life to its fullest potential, and there is no way at all to do that when basing your life around a job. the only way is to follow your heart and do what's right, what you want to do, something beyond the chains that society has on you.
the bigger picture is something we need to see. and the only way to do that is to leave this current society and achieve something bigger with our lives than comfortable living or petty money.

That sounds great and all, but good luck doing what you want to do and being comfortable and happy your entire adult life without working 40 hours a week. Sure the value of money may be made up by humans, but rejecting money just means you're gonna get stuck being homeless the rest of your life. The way I look at it, working and being part of something bigger than myself, even if that something is just a business that makes... say, cheese, is a fair trade for the ability to do what I want on weekends and holidays. I'm not going to reject the way the world works and expect to live happily in it.

Edit: also, working feels good. Paychecks feel awesome, because you know you did something to get it.

Stormy · Feb 19, 2013 9:49 PM

It's not like I haven't thought of all this before, 36ISLS36. Yes, it might be theoretically possible to live with no money (I question where one could live without at least having to pay property taxes, though, among other practical concerns), but that doesn't mean that's the perfect, happy lifestyle. Yes, there are limitless options for how I could live, but when you want your lifestyle, as I do, to include good health, a family, and the ability to financially help others, a life with no money is completely out of the question.

Not everyone would be happy living like animals; in fact, most would be more than willing to sacrifice having a somewhat crappy job rather than losing all material comfort in life. And let's not forget the people who genuinely enjoy their traditional work environments and make money.

I think more of what this video is getting at, and a more realistic way we could look at this, is that instead of trying to completely avoid money, we should simply not center our lives around it. If it comes down to a choice between a high paying job that you'll hate and a job that barely enables you to get by that you love, choose the one you love, and you'll be much happier.

This is another one of those arguments where one side is saying to throw out the whole system and the other is saying that some people just take it too far. I would rather be somewhere between the two extremes of literally having nothing and being consumed by greed.

Mr. John · Feb 19, 2013 10:15 PM

My dream is to be a Zookeeper or a Police Officer but that's another thing obtaining jobs like that would be hard. Their my dreams but it dosen't mean I will end up as ether.

Also would like to try and visit places like Calgary and New York but once again another problem not enough money for a plane ticket. Also never been on a plane before. Yeah it's great to go for dreams but money is indeed imporant.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Feb 20, 2013 12:50 AM

had a long post, but could sum it up with this:

Stormy wrote:

I would rather be somewhere between the two extremes of literally having nothing and being consumed by greed

"nothing". that's not a good way of looking at it. in one sense that lifestyle yields almost nothing, but in another sense it makes one very rich.

i figured you would like my post, Swaffy. message me, i would go first, but i'll probably forget.

Stormy · Feb 20, 2013 1:19 AM

That would be why I used the word "literally." Well, maybe not originally, but it works in that context.

In either case, that's quite off the point I was trying to make.

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