The Earth is changing...

Erza · May 13, 2010 12:32 PM

I've noticed there are alot more volcanic eruptions, more cyclones and alot more earthquakes and tsunami's.

In Australia, Melbourne's weather has gradually getting worse over the past few years. Houses have been ripped apart by hailstorms, the rain has flooded our city and the heat has caused major bush fires.

So why is this happening? And why now?
Your thoughts?

Phoenix_Flyer · May 13, 2010 12:59 PM

Climate change, simple as. Here's something I posted on another forum when someone brought up the fact that there are a lot of powerful storms lately:

Global Warming is a confusing thing, because although average global temperatures are increasing, in some areas the effect will be colder weather. The UK is an example of this, if temperatures get higher then the Gulf Stream will weaken and eventually stop, and once those warm waters stop being transported here, there goes our temperate climate. We'll end up with weather similar to countries on the same latitude as us... snowy and cold like Canada.

This isn't 'Global Cooling' in the slightest, because it only affects 'local' areas. There's no reports of the World's deserts getting cooler is there? No. The World isn't cooling down, it's heating up and it's been one hell of a lot hotter than it is now in the past. The temperatures we have experienced over the last few hundred years is the ideal global temperature, but it is a rare occurance when you take the time and look back on Earth's history. Most of the time, the poles were covered in forests rather than ice or the whole world was a snowball. The 'in-between' climate we are in now is a rare luxury, no matter what mankind does to stop Earth heating up, it will eventually anyway and if not it will cool again. It's the speed it's heating up because of deforestation that's the problem mainly. Also, species of animals come and go; Giant Pandas and Polar Bears were doomed as soon as they became 'too specialised', whether mankind stuck his nose in or not they will have died out eventually because there will never always be ice on the poles and a diet of bamboo really is a bit limited.

It really makes me laugh when you see adverts on television which say: "We are now producing more CO2 than the Earth can cope with, we are suffocating it".
Are. We. Hell.
During some of the most life-abundant times in history, the World was warmer. During the Jurassic period, life was very prolific and CO2 levels were waaaay higher than they are now. I can't remember what it was off of the top of my head, but I know it is 0.04% CO2 now, it was into whole numbers back then and Earth did just fine thank-you very much.

And don't think that planting billions of trees to increase oxygen levels will do good in the long run either. During the Carboniferous period (the time of the Giant Insects, literally) the level of oxygen in the atmosphere was 35%, compared to today's 21%. The amazing amount of oxygen in the atmosphere allowed bugs to grow to HUGE sizes, there's evidence of 'griffinflies' (I love the name of these things, they're basically giant dragonflies) with wingspans of 75cm and of a Millipede-like creature that was 2.6 metres long, longer than a car.
I saw that someone said that they love storms because they're so cool and beautiful, and I agree there. I wish I could have seen the storms during this time period though; there was so much oxygen that the air would explode in a fireball with each lightning-strike.

In short guys, although the weather is getting worse; it's been much worse before.

The increased frequency and intensity of hurricanes/cyclones is directly linked to warmer ocean surface temperatures; the warmer it is, the more powerful the hurricane. On that front, things are only going to get worse in the future, lets just hope it's not as bad as the Carboniferous! XD
As for the volcanoes, there aren't really more of them happening; there's just more news coverage on them. On saying that though, with volcanoes that are underneath glaciers, there is actually a link bewteen global warming and volcanic eruptions. When the ice over the volcanoes melts, the weight of it is taken off and the rock 'expands' for lack of a better word. You know when you give someone a piggy-back for a while and then when they get off it feels as if you are rising upwards or something immediately after? Well, that's what it's like. When this happens in geology, it is called 'Unloading' and the seismic activity caused by this is thought to sometimes cause a volcanoes' magma chamber to become active and therefore start an eruption.
But that theory will need to be explored more before it is proved.

Rurikredwolf · May 13, 2010 1:11 PM

2012. Gosh, don't you guys know anything?

Clock-la · May 13, 2010 3:32 PM

WELL aS I SAW FROM dOCTOR WHO WERE EATHER GOING TO SEE 26 PLANETS IN THE SKY OR THE PANdorica will open...

Swaffy · May 13, 2010 5:46 PM

This whole "global warming" thing is total crap, if you ask me. The Earth
has had much worse times regarding storms and human structures being
torn apart. It's nothing new, and has been worse before. Also, the Earth
hasn't changed much since ... many years [1,000 to maybe 2,000 years].

People are simply taking notice on the Eath's changes now than ever
before, and news crews like to exaggerate the issue to get more money
and more people interested in their news.

Here's something from John Stossel:
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3061015&page=1

Phoenix_Flyer · May 13, 2010 8:37 PM

Global Warming is happening, people like him just like to go against the grain because his different views get attention.

Global Warming is happening and it will carry on doing so. But it's a normal occurance after an Ice Age, which is what the Earth's climate is still recovering from.
Look at temperatues in the past; they were much warmer and that was without any Industrial Revolutions. People are just over-exaggerating things because this is a 'comfortable global temperature' and they don't want Polar Bears and Penguins to die. They would have died anyway.

SpyroGirl101 · May 13, 2010 9:15 PM

The New age of Cynder wrote:

I've noticed there are alot more volcanic eruptions, more cyclones and alot more earthquakes and tsunami's.
In Australia, Melbourne's weather has gradually getting worse over the past few years. Houses have been ripped apart by hailstorms, the rain has flooded our city and the heat has caused major bush fires.
So why is this happening? And why now?
Your thoughts?

I believe it's nearing the end of time.

Neotyguy40 · May 13, 2010 11:49 PM

You're just starting to notice? Get with the program!

Here in New England we have clean energy, but the cities in the west like Chicago keep pumping out their sulfuric air into the sky. It travels to our region and we are getting higher amounts of acid rain a year...

I wish people would know that when they use coal and gas, it may not be affecting them, but those around them. That's one of the major reasons people don't think anything is happening, because it isn't affecting them as much as anyone else. It's also why almost everyone that does get affected by it more actually believe that something is wrong.

I don't care if you say it's Global Warming, Global Cooling, 2012, or whatever, but SOMETHING is 100% happening...

:O · May 14, 2010 1:44 AM

its possible the world could come to an end but were not sure global warming is causing a whole bunch of sh!t maybe earth is going through a cycle >.>

Clock-la · May 14, 2010 3:51 PM

Ok heres my view on global warming....

the whole trees been cut saving energy Makes sence because we ARE running out...

But the heating of earth is BS IMO.

Spyro22 · May 14, 2010 8:59 PM

2010 is completly false. We are saying that because the Mayan's calendar ended at this time that will be the end of the world. They have said that the world was gonna end 75 different times in the past. They thought it was ending in 2000 cause computers were shutting down and crashing. Well look at how that turned out.
And Pat Robertson said the world was going to end in the 70's. (by the way, don't trust that man when he talkes about disasters)
When the world goes into total war, earthquakes, volcanoes, huge disasters, nuclear weapons being fired from evrywhere, hunger, disease, and murder is at the highest as it has ever been (I mean every man for himself world murder) Then we can say it's all coming to an end.

s'pyromane · May 14, 2010 9:28 PM

Ha , don't worry , nothing horrible is happening in the Earth. It's just us who made ourselves in an uncomfortable situation. It's happening to us , not to the Earth.

Nothing will happen , industrals will always keep their 80% of the World's total pollution and force individuals persons to limit their minor pollution (In France we are number one in pesticids by the way , so we can speak of pollution with the knowledge about it. ♪We are the champions♪...) , animals will follow a new way of evolution , the one humans throwed them in.

No , nothing. At the planet range , it's like a tickle. We'll just put a faster end to our supreme reign on Earth , like dinosaurs ,who had a quite brutal end in spite of their large superiority to the others creatures arounds.

Ethic is a human's utopia , poverty , a consequence of our settlers/industrial revolutions. Nothing happened by chance.

CQFD.

Ce Qu'il Fallait Démontrer.

Clock-la · May 14, 2010 9:37 PM

Spyro22 wrote:

2010 is completly false. We are saying that because the Mayan's calendar ended at this time that will be the end of the world. They have said that the world was gonna end 75 different times in the past. They thought it was ending in 2000 cause computers were shutting down and crashing. Well look at how that turned out.
And Pat Robertson said the world was going to end in the 70's. (by the way, don't trust that man when he talkes about disasters)
When the world goes into total war, earthquakes, volcanoes, huge disasters, nuclear weapons being fired from evrywhere, hunger, disease, and murder is at the highest as it has ever been (I mean every man for himself world murder) Then we can say it's all coming to an end.

but 2012 is correct.

Swaffy · May 14, 2010 10:29 PM

Phoenix_Flyer wrote:

Global Warming is happening, people like him just like to go against the grain because his different views get attention.

Do you even know who John Stossel is? He doesn't care about his own
views, and he doesn't care about what people want to hear. He spends his
time looking [digging] for the specific truth on multiple matters, and one of
his bigger subjects is the whole global warming scare.

Clock-la wrote:

but 2012 is correct.

You can't bring your point accross if you have nothing to back it up with.
I'm going to laugh the entire 2012 year when nothing happens other than
natural, common events, when the world doesn't end. Wait and see for
yourself.

Neotyguy40 · May 15, 2010 1:10 AM

Spyro22 wrote:

2010 is completly false. We are saying that because the Mayan's calendar ended at this time that will be the end of the world. They have said that the world was gonna end 75 different times in the past. They thought it was ending in 2000 cause computers were shutting down and crashing. Well look at how that turned out.
And Pat Robertson said the world was going to end in the 70's. (by the way, don't trust that man when he talkes about disasters)
When the world goes into total war, earthquakes, volcanoes, huge disasters, nuclear weapons being fired from evrywhere, hunger, disease, and murder is at the highest as it has ever been (I mean every man for himself world murder) Then we can say it's all coming to an end.

Wait, now it's 2010!?

What the fu- *BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!*

bmah · May 15, 2010 6:55 AM

All I'll say is that the Earth naturally warms up and cools down, and that does not necessarily coincide with our common perception of what's "normal" (ie. temperatures within the range of recorded temperature data: usually <150 years). Most people here have already described this in detail. The thing I'll add is that the major worry has less to do with actual temperature rise than it is with the rate of temperature change being accelerated by humans. That's the unnatural factor. So there's no question about global warming's existence - it's the rate of change that matters. That's the credibility I'll give to the scientists, media and political leverage aside.

@Phoenix_Flyer: "expansion of rock (well the Earth's crust)" is called isostatic rebound; there's your terminology of the day.
@Swaffy: Clock-La's just pointing out an apparent two-year lag for doomsday. smile

:O · May 15, 2010 7:05 AM

2012 is false we don't know when the world will end there's many different ways on how it will end science, religion, etc. The bible says the rapture will be the 1st sign (in Christan beliefs) i believe that cause i am 1 but i don't believe the world will end in 2012. I do believe it will end some where in the 2000 millennium but not so sure.

bmah · May 15, 2010 7:26 AM

I'm sure you can save yourself writing a paragraph or an essay about 2012 - there's obviously nothing to write home about that. Thread's not even asking for it, nor has anyone disagreed on the matter...

Erza · May 15, 2010 8:22 AM

I also meant other problems, like the flues and virus' growing stronger and whatnot..

I just wanted a new topic on something other than music/games etc.

s'pyromane · May 15, 2010 10:16 AM

Speaking of viruses , did you know that scientists only discovered 1% of the world's viruses and bacteries ?
The problem is that viruses become immunited to the cures because they take habit of it and evoluate in mutating to survive. With pollution , some of them mutate even faster.

Here is the problem : we don't know enough about viruses to eradicate them all , I think. We'll have to deal with them , since our cleverness doesn't make us superior enough to them to be able to eradicate them all , unlike with the others animals , which don't stand a singl chance ; but if we do , we'll cause our death.

Complicated ? No , complex. But it concerns us far more than 2012's thingy , based on the Mayas calender , who ended in 2012 because they haven't got enough paper and time to finish it. Wait , no... Whatever , the world will end in 4,5 billions of years according to scientists , and we're not even sure it will actually end at this moment...

Clock-la · May 15, 2010 11:15 AM

Swaffy wrote:

Clock-la wrote:
but 2012 is correct.
You can't bring your point accross if you have nothing to back it up with.
I'm going to laugh the entire 2012 year when nothing happens other than
natural, common events, when the world doesn't end. Wait and see for
yourself.

bmah wrote:

@Swaffy: Clock-La's just pointing out an apparent two-year lag for doomsday.

Bmah saw what I did there big_smile you on the other hand did'nt.

A Guy · May 15, 2010 2:40 PM

I'm willing to bet my life on the fact that the world will not end on 2012.

As for global warming, we'll just have to adapt. The problem is, we're not going to get enough people to change their lifestyle to do anything about it because of the "One person won't make a difference" mentality, the same mentality that keeps people from participating in elections and stuff. Oh, well, humans have adapted before.

As for wildlife, I couldn't care less. They either adapt, or they die.

G-Man_93 · May 15, 2010 5:24 PM

Global Warming is a total pile of BS! The "ZOMG!!! END OF DA WORLD IN 2012!!!" is also a complete pile of BS! When will our race learn that all of these scares and falsely proven ideologies are just made up by the fat, soulless, business corporations to be able to continue to wallow in their excessive amounts of food & money? The fat arsed businessmen who fund the lying media corporations with the false ideologies are, in truth, Nazi's. That's right folks! Forget about what you thought a Nazi was or is and look around you, it only takes a trained monkey to figure out that our Zionist religious preachers (such as the Pope) are, in fact, the servants of the overly funded business Nazi corporations and it only takes an IQ of 80 to figure out that our political leaders hardly even run our countries anymore. "Global Warming" as it's called by the overly green, hippie, tree hugging fundamentalists is merely the Earth's natural warming effects yet we are so dim-witted to believe what a computer screen says and believe it is the truth. You can also forget about "END OF DA WORLD IN 2012!!!!!1!!!!111!!!" because it won't ever happen, all that will happen is that the Mayan calender will end and our lives will resume in the usual, boring manner. Our world will most likely end when some insane nutcase is able to hack into one of America's many nuclear weapons and cause the self-destruction of America, and when the nukes all explode, we will likely end up going bat-s**t insane and end up killing each other!

Well, that's all for my argument!:-P My apologies to anybody who may be offended by my little rant/speech!(:)

:O · May 16, 2010 3:00 AM

2012 = poop they say the world will end in 2012 December 12 because its 12, 12, 12 so -_- and wtf all these flues and disease are just only 1% O.O (oh noez) this is why people should spend every mintue wisely cause you don't when the earth will end if you think all these earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc try looking at them on other planets are earth is nothing compare to other planets, but can we stop talking about this is makes me nervous. sad

MrXLink · May 16, 2010 12:54 PM

Swaffy wrote:

This whole "global warming" thing is total crap, if you ask me. The Earth
has had much worse times regarding storms and human structures being
torn apart. It's nothing new, and has been worse before. Also, the Earth
hasn't changed much since ... many years [1,000 to maybe 2,000 years].
People are simply taking notice on the Eath's changes now than ever
before, and news crews like to exaggerate the issue to get more money
and more people interested in their news.
Here's something from John Stossel:
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3061015&page=1

I totally agree with you. I find this CO2 thing worth nothing. And IF it's true, we humans only produce up to 30% of the CO2, nature does the rest.

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