Avatar 2

PYROX · Apr 26, 2010 2:20 PM

I have seen Avatar in 3D, and in my opinion it wasn't bad actually. Maybe the best movie I saw that year....
so yeah, I'd be looking forward to see an Avatar 2 ^^

RedDragonX · Apr 28, 2010 6:09 PM

I saw Avatar in 3D and it was pretty cool, I'm usually not into the whole 3D thing but I thought no better time to try. I went and saw How to Train Your Dragon the other day and I thought that was even better.

Anyways yeah, I will not mind seeing Avatar 2, Cameron already stated that it's still 2-3 years away if he started it tomorrow, but the thing I read said that both Weaver's character and Stephen Lang's characters could make returns.

Will be interesting to see how they do that

Swaffy · Apr 29, 2010 10:58 PM

It's going to take 2-3 years? Are you sure?

RedDragonX · Apr 30, 2010 6:20 PM

Taken from source:

When being interviewed by AP on the red carpet of the 82nd Academy Awards, Cameron stated "if I were to start Avatar 2 tomorrow, it would still be three years away."

~cornys~ · May 02, 2010 4:09 PM

Oh, yeah, I'm sure that the next one would take just as long as this one did. Years apart they would have to be with all of the Animation they'd have to do. Movies like this are true works of art. I appreciate anything animated more than regular movies.

I'm going to guess late 2013 or early 2014

RedDragonX · May 02, 2010 9:16 PM

I honestly enjoyed How to Train Your Dragon more then Avatar lol, but yeah it was still a very good movie....amazing what they can do now.

Stormy · May 02, 2010 9:30 PM

I wasn't expecting much from it, but How to Train Your Dragon was great, actually. Like Avatar, it was pretty predictable in terms of plot, but the difference was that I actually liked the characters since they had personalities.

Swaffy · May 03, 2010 1:21 AM

Realize that no storyline [NO storyline] is original in any way.

Stormy · May 03, 2010 1:27 AM

I addressed this in my earlier post. I know it's impossible to be completely free of cliches, but too many and too much predictability can ruin a movie for me.

And saying that no storyline is original in any way is a little extreme, no? I can think of plenty of original things in books and movies that I've liked. Heck, Avatar even had a few things you could call "original"; I would have never thought of something as ridiculous as connecting hair to animals to control them.

Neotyguy40 · May 03, 2010 1:37 AM

While there are a lot of cliches in the movie, that's because they packed a LOT into the movie. How about we focus on some of the anti-clichés?

1. In the final battle, a lot of major characters died. I did NOT see that coming.
2. Right before all the rhino-things came charging to fight the humans, Ney'tiri (or however you spell it) was deciding to jump out and fight. I expected her to fight right at that point.
3. I did not expect Grace to die when they tried to transfer her conscious to her Avatar.
4. The humans were able to destroy Home Tree.

You can't say that those parts were clichéd... And seeing how the plan on this movie was made 10 years ago? That is even more impressive.

Online, people like to express their individuality by saying that something is 'bad' when everyone likes it. It happens a bunch of times:

1. People said they would 'hate' the iPad because it was just a giant iPod touch, but now most people love it.
2. Most people hate Twilight (including me), but most of those people never read it (including me).

It will happen very often now. People try to express their individuality, but when there are only 2 sides to an argument? No one is an individual...

Stormy · May 03, 2010 1:43 AM

You're right; those aren't cliches, exactly, but it doesn't mean they were surprising or interesting.

1. That happens in a lot of movies. Except kids' movies.
2. That wasn't a surprise to me.... I was more surprised that she wasn't fighting until that point.
3. I saw that as a plot device so the ending where Jake was transferred to his avatar body could seem more believable. It also serves to make him more special and Gary-Stuish because he survived and she didn't.
4. Saw that coming too. It was a tree; why wouldn't they be able to destroy it?

Also, I don't care if it was made 100 years ago; by today's standards, the plot is unoriginal, and I'm sure it would have been back then, too.

A Guy · May 03, 2010 4:06 PM

Please define how Jake is a Gary Stu.

Stormy · May 03, 2010 7:12 PM

Any kind of "chosen one" storyline seems like a big indicator of a Gary Stu or a Mary Sue to me. Plus the fact that it took him almost no time to learn all the Na'vi ways despite not being able to walk in real life and the fact that he was somehow able to tame that huge orange dragon thing that all the other Na'vi were afraid of. And from what I've heard about James Cameron and what he's said about the movie, I wouldn't be surprised if he saw himself as that character.

Gary Stu might not be exactly the correct term; maybe "boring and cliche lead with no personality" would work better for him.

Also, just to clarify, I don't hate the movie. I just think it's very overrated, and I got a little bored watching it.

Mr. John · May 03, 2010 8:20 PM

Hope it comes out.

A Guy · May 03, 2010 9:05 PM

A hero doing anything spectacular does not make them a Mary Sue/Gary Stu. The term has, unfortunately, lost most of its meaning since its initiation, and is now applied to any character that does anything that an average person wouldn't do. Wait, isn't that the reason we have heroes in the first place?

Stormy · May 03, 2010 9:09 PM

I know that. I don't think every hero is a Gary Stu. My point was that it seemed like he did it all much too easily. For a non-Gary Stu, spectacular things take lots of time and effort. I know he didn't succeed at everything right away, but it didn't really seem like it took much for him to fit in since he was the "chosen one" and everything.

Neotyguy40 · May 03, 2010 10:11 PM

Stormy wrote:

I know that. I don't think every hero is a Gary Stu. My point was that it seemed like he did it all much too easily. For a non-Gary Stu, spectacular things take lots of time and effort. I know he didn't succeed at everything right away, but it didn't really seem like it took much for him to fit in since he was the "chosen one" and everything.

Umm... It took place for over 2 months... Almost 3.

I've seen people learn entire languages in just 5-6 weeks at only a few hours a day. Seeing how he was training from morning to night for a few months, I highly doubt it would be that hard to learn to ride a few animals, some traditions, and learn a very small amount of the native language. Sure, he tamed the giant dragon-bat thing, but if something doesn't differentiate the main character from the rest of the group, what kind of movie would that be? Take the How to Train Your Dragon movie for example. He differentiated himself from the rest of the clan by taming a dragon, instead of fighting one.

The only part of the movie where he could be considered a 'chosen one' is when the seeds cover him before flying away. And without that happening, there would have been a big gap in the plot, since he wouldn't be accepted into the clan otherwise...

Mr. John · May 03, 2010 10:21 PM

Stormy what's a Gary Sue? I've heard of Mary Sues and now Gary Sues but never knew what they were I know this is completely off topic but just wanted to know if it's not to much trouble?

Stormy · May 04, 2010 1:53 AM

@Mr John, a Mary Sue or a Gary Stu is basically the creator's favorite character who gets everything he or she wants with a minimal amount of work or sacrifice, has very few flaws, and is often a self-insert of the creator for wish fulfillment. It's kind of debatable whether or not a character is a Sue, but if you've ever seen or read "Twilight," Bella Swan is a pretty clear example that would be hard to argue against.

I may be wrong, but I've always thought there were varying levels of Sues, which is why I classed Jake from Avatar as one. There are other characters that are definitely worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

Neotyguy40 wrote:

Stormy wrote:
I know that. I don't think every hero is a Gary Stu. My point was that it seemed like he did it all much too easily. For a non-Gary Stu, spectacular things take lots of time and effort. I know he didn't succeed at everything right away, but it didn't really seem like it took much for him to fit in since he was the "chosen one" and everything.
Umm... It took place for over 2 months... Almost 3.
I've seen people learn entire languages in just 5-6 weeks at only a few hours a day. Seeing how he was training from morning to night for a few months, I highly doubt it would be that hard to learn to ride a few animals, some traditions, and learn a very small amount of the native language. Sure, he tamed the giant dragon-bat thing, but if something doesn't differentiate the main character from the rest of the group, what kind of movie would that be? Take the How to Train Your Dragon movie for example. He differentiated himself from the rest of the clan by taming a dragon, instead of fighting one.

See, I couldn't tell it was almost three months; how could you tell? To me it seemed like it spanned about a week or something, but if it was really two or three months; I'll concede to that.

I don't think it was made very clear, though, because it wasn't just that that seemed too sudden. His transformation from when he was working with the government to siding with the Na'vi seemed really abrupt, even though I knew it was coming.

The only part of the movie where he could be considered a 'chosen one' is when the seeds cover him before flying away. And without that happening, there would have been a big gap in the plot, since he wouldn't be accepted into the clan otherwise...

Exactly what I'm saying, though. If he hadn't been the chosen one, he would have had to work to be accepted into it. That would have made it a lot more interesting, I think: trying to gain their approval to even get in in the first place.

Rurikredwolf · May 04, 2010 2:08 AM

What are they gonna do now? rip off Pocahontas 2? More enviornmental awareness? *snicker*

Seriously, Avatar bored the living hell out of me. Great visuals, craptastic plot that was as predictable as the sun rising. It sucked. Characters sucked. The only part I was interested in was when the credits showed up.

Stormy · May 04, 2010 2:11 AM

Finally someone who kind of agrees with me. I had a feeling that's what you'd say about it. I was just waiting for you to find this thread. tongue

Mr. John · May 04, 2010 9:51 AM

Okay thanks for explaining that sounds cheap though if they get anything they want.

Jackson117 · May 04, 2010 10:23 AM

Needs more Aliens and Terminator refences.

Also abyss

Stormy · May 04, 2010 2:37 PM

Mr. John wrote:

Okay thanks for explaining that sounds cheap though if they get anything they want.

Yeah, it's usually a sign of poor writing skills.

A Guy · May 04, 2010 8:07 PM

That would have made it a lot more interesting, I think: trying to gain their approval to even get in in the first place.

He still had to prove himself - without the whole event with the seeds, he wouldn't have even been allowed to try. Even then, there are those that doubt him.

Also, the self-insert accusation? Proof of that, please? You could argue that every single hero is a self-insert without proof. And Mary Sue/Gary Stu is just a term that's getting sprinkled around like jimmies on an ice cream cone these days - just "Oh, X special thing happened to Y" or "Y did X spectacular thing" seems to be enough of a qualification these days.

plot that was as predictable as the sun rising

That it was. But then again, I frequent TV Tropes, so every plot is as predictable as the sun rising to me.

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