Is it so hard...

SapphireSheep · Mar 03, 2010 1:43 AM

Is it so hard to treat people with respect today. People (not just here) are so rude anymore it is sickening. Yes we arn't perfect and we all have our moments of being rude towards someone. But that isn't much of an excuse when it happens all the time. Even over the internet people should show respect towards others because they are still a human being.

Another thing that bothers me is that people seem to really have a pole jammed up their butt when it comes to spelling errors. Again we are human and we are not perfect. I bet even you grammar nazis have had plenty of spelling errors. I bet this post even has plenty of them. And no matter the age of a person they shouldn't be judged harshly for it. Some people type quickly and forget to look over their post for spelling errors or don't see the spelling mistake or some just don't care. Some people don't have a high education or struggle in that particular area. And there are people who don't have english as their first language. Its ok to point out something spelled wrong, but almost everytime I see this happen it is done with disrespect. But usually people really dont seem to care if somthing is spelled wrong as long as you understand what they mean. A spelling mistake is not the end of the freakin world.

I understand that things like this just don't change. Hell, I've been on Xbox live for 3 years and seen enough of it to know. You just can't trust people. You can hardly find someone to be civil with or to be friends with. People backstab and use eachother. It's hard to find a TRUE friend. Every person is different and we all wont get along perfectly. But I would still love to see people at least be civil towards one another. I have little friends because they are the only ones I can trust anymore.

I just want to hear what other think. I'm sure plenty are tired of this too. no pointing fingers or saying names. I dont want this topic getting out of hand. what are your expiriences with people today?

Spyro22 · Mar 03, 2010 2:11 AM

Alot of the time. I have tons of younger friends because I cant seem to trust that many that are my age. I see backtabing all around me at my school. I over hear even bfs backstab all the time.

And I agree about the grammar thing.
I havent been corrected yet but I see it alot!

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Mar 03, 2010 2:31 AM

so many people today make me sick. humanity is so apathetic [more than we used to be]. like you said, it's hard to find true friends, with all the liars and backstabbers. they don't even have to be liars; people who are just a little too honest about their rudeness are annoying too. what's so hard about just being a bit nicer? what does society get out of losing civility?

respect is a dying art.

Paranoia · Mar 03, 2010 3:43 AM

I do agree with the majority of what you're are saying, but there are a few points I'd like to address...(in other words, here comes the rant tongue )

First off, I do agree that respect is hard to find nowadays. What it comes down to is how people believe they are "supposed" to act; if everyone around you is rude and disrespectful, that's what you learn from. But as long as there are those few people that are kind, respectful, and generous, it will rub off on other people. I guess since everyone in this thread so far seems to agree that there is a genuine problem, we should be the ones to go into the real world and treat people with respect and kindness. Who knows, maybe we'll be shown some back. (Not to sound like some cliche; I truly believe it's true)

As for the grammar issue, I also agree with you that the real hard-line grammar nazis are annoying, but also using proper grammar makes you come off as more intelligent. More people will believe and listen to what you have to say. Of course people of other languages deserve some slack, and who cares about the occasional typo or chat speak, but when people start tlkng lik dis & u cnt undrstnd wht ther sayin it gets a bit annoying. I tend to have less respect for someone who talks like that because they just don't seem believable, and they're making themselves look bad.

Lastly, I'm completely with you about people showing more respect to each other on the internet. It annoys the hell out of me when people think they can do anything because they're anonymous, and just want a few "lulz". Unfortunately, it's pretty impossible to deal with those types of people in any other way but than to just ignore them.

So, yeah. That's my two cents; take it or leave it.

SapphireSheep · Mar 03, 2010 4:24 AM

ah I agree with everything you said. and I can see how people see others less intelligent when it comes to things like text speak. I use it sometimes but that's usually in different things where it's more acceptable.

but yes, as long as there are still SOME kind-hearted people in the world I guess thats all that matters. as long as we show kindess to others and make a difference.

Stormy · Mar 03, 2010 4:54 AM

Well said PARANOiA; I completely agree. Just because you can't see someone's face over the internet doesn't mean you're dealing with mere emotionless blocks of text. It's unfortunate that people need to be prepared for this and need to expect it on the internet.

I admit, I tend take others who use poor grammar and chatspeak less seriously than those who use correct grammar. If I see a "u" in place of the word "you," I'll make negative assumptions about the intelligence of whoever wrote the message. It's bad, I know, and I've been trying to stop that habit. I won't call anyone out for it, though, unless the chatspeak is so horrible it's hurting my eyes, and even then I usually won't.

The only thing I don't like here is that this thread is pretty clearly a response to the Ryo57 incident. I've already made my point about that, so I won't go into it much more, but I will say there's a difference between being honest and just being rude. There's also a difference between being bluntly honest and being tactfully honest. The latter is what we want to strive for in situations like that.

bmah · Mar 03, 2010 4:55 AM

I think the internet rarely shows a decently accurate portrayal of who someone is. Because the internet is basically used as a physical and emotional "protective shield" thanks to anonymity, people can certainly act more apathetic. In reality though, I think that most people are many times more shining than they appear.

On to the netiquette. I don't care too much about grammar and spelling, but it depends on the situation. International barriers, age and experience barriers, and other things can't really be helped. But I get rather skeptical if someone's excuse is to "be in a hurry", more or less when this excuse is cited multiple times. In fact, a dictionary isn't needed when you could verify something you're unsure by doing a little search. Sometimes I'd like to use a word that I'm pretty sure would fit into what I'm saying, but I need to look up the definition just in case. I really would have no excuse if I goof up due to lack of effort. That's something that can be controlled. Differentiating this between someone who's first language is not English is important because if a person is not spelling right due to laziness, I lose respect for that person. What goes around comes around.

Something else I'd like to address: what is rude and what is not. Most often, the issue comes along between two people with contrasting probabilities of being butthurt. Most often, between a really young person and someone with a bit more experience. A lot of young kids really love to misconstrue being "rude" with expressing an opinion. How you express it matters as well, but often the young person only accepts one opinion and brandishes all others as "rude". See the threads about dead pets floating around in this forum for a perfect example. edit: just as you've said Stormy.

There are other instances of misconstruing "rude", all with many variations. For example, not really getting the message that someone else is trying to hint at. At the crytids thread, I come across some guy who makes claims that are certainly not of the unfalsifiable type (that would be religious arguments etc.). Asking a few questions, he knowingly dodges them and uses the good old tactic of "you're being rude" all the while not showing one bit of honesty or "I simply have no idea". Don't provide me a satifactory answer? Sure, that's fine. Don't provide an answer at all and beating the bush? Yeah, don't do that. I very well know that you're dodging questions. In the end, attitude actually reveals more in this case. I'd be hella surprised if the kid was a grad student doing research with this kind of approach at communication.

Rurikredwolf · Mar 03, 2010 12:01 PM

The reason why I don't respect people nowadays is becuase they don't earn it in my eyes. I am usually very neutral about someone, but something in me has to call them out on their BS. I come off as mean, but I am actually just very blunt and to the point. I'm exactly who I am in real life as I am here. I'd write more, but I suck at writing paragraphs and everyone else covered what I was going to say.

Oh and I have some really bad issues with socializing due to a condition you may know as 'autisim'. Not hiding behind it, but it is the truth. Stuff usually comes out wrong fer me.

Phoenix_Flyer · Mar 03, 2010 12:17 PM

I agree with PARANOiA. Though I tend to be too nice in real life, and my friend was even more so than me. We often got taken advantage of because of that, so you do have to be careful.
This is the internet though. I'm not saying that being mean or harsh on here doesn't matter, I've read stories in the papers about people taking extreme action because they were being bullied over the internet. But you should also bear in mind that it actually is just a block of text; you don't have to read it and you don't have to take it to heart, though people still do.
Despite how real the internet feels sometimes, it isn't.

Stormy wrote:

There's also a difference between being bluntly honest and being tactfully honest.

Yeah... I was bluntly honest. I keep forgetting that the things I am told IRL aren't what I should say to people on the internet. Honesty is pretty much one of my more dominant traits; I have been taught not to sugar-coat things, so I either don't say anything so I don't have to lie (not that I have a problem with it if it is better to do so, hence lying to my sister yesterday about where my mum really was; sitting next to my Nanna's deathbed and I told her she was shopping), or I tell them and I tell them straight.
I also have been taught to 'accept and move on' (Little rant coming up which people may or may not care about, but it reinforces my point):

I have an aviary, have had one for about 5 years now. Before I had one I had a single cockatiel in a cage, Ali, who was my first pet, not a family one. She was really tame and remained so after she was put in the aviary. British winters are cold and though they do gradually get cooler, there will suddenly be one night where the temperatures plummet and we get our first frosts. My cockatiel sometimes had funny turns where she wouldn't eat, on the 4th of November she was having one of these days, but I paid it no attention, she usually bounces back the next day so I focused on her mate and babies and let her be. I come outside the next morning to open the doors of the aviary up thinking 'Gawd its cold'. What do I find when I go outside? Ali dead on the floor and one of the babies, called Crackers, bordering on death next to her. While I was bawling my eyes out and my mum was force-feeding Crackers with seeds and trying to warm him up what did she tell me?
"This is a harsh lesson. You'll have to insulate the aviary earlier next year."

It was... harsh. But I learnt the lesson, and I have never lost any other birds due to cold weather at least.

Clock-la · Mar 03, 2010 9:37 PM

*blinks 4 times*...naaah.

Nydie · Mar 04, 2010 2:17 AM

I am evil, I am cold blooded, and I was built to evolve. I evolved to the age and this is the result.

So if I am cold, you can either take it the wrong way and get all offended, or you can go on.

But I do agree. The world is screwed up and I am one of those that are part in this screwed up world.

Mr. John · Mar 04, 2010 11:36 AM

I agree with everything Stormy and PARANOiA said. Take it or leave it!

Aceedwin · Mar 04, 2010 5:56 PM

Grammar Nazi? Guilty as charged. But don't you think it's rude when someone simply hammers the keyboard with no regard to the difficulty of reading their post? If you've made a typo, fair enough, but when a quarter of the words are mispelt and grammar is completely ignored, I feel like the person on the other end is signalling that they don't have time for me. Of course I'm going to assume things about the writer's intelligence based on their post, it's the only thing I have to go on, more or less. All I can judge you on is what you say, and how you say it. Nobody's perfect (a subjective remark in itself) can be taken and used as often as you like, but it's still not an excuse for not trying.

If someone forgets to spell-check, then noting their mistakes politely will help them remember next time. If they have spell-checked, but missed one, then they should be pleased to have a quick half-sentence direction. And if they don't care, I don't care about their feelings.

I think there are three good excuses for frequent spelling and grammar mistakes, speaking English as a second language, being dyslexic, or having mangled fingers in some way.

Since everyone seemed to be more or less against us grammar nazis, I thought I'd stick up for myself and all others who love linguality and loathe to see it sullied.

Also, I can find plenty of people to respect. Almost everyone on this forum I can respect, albeit some more than others. Nowadays, people seem to hold stronger opinions than ever, and this often stops them from respecting those with different opinions. When I came here, I was an egotistical little brat who had decided he was superior to everyone (I like to think that's been resolved).

I think people are in an awkward little area nowadays, in which they're intelligent enough to feel like they can contribute, but idiotic enough to believe they are necessarily superior.

In conclusion, respect is hard to find from the off, because you have to teach people to provide it.

s'pyromane · Mar 04, 2010 8:53 PM

...I admit that I am a little wordless with such a post.
(And you people , who expected another big endless post from me...)
This forum is not a respectless place , I saw the worst forums when it's about respect , we're far from this here.
And about spelling...That's a question of will. I'm not speaking a perfect English (look at my localisation...) but I'm trying my best to make it understandable by most , and correct me if I'm wrong , but that's enough , huh ? I'm not the only one to do this here by the way , I won't mention names but I'm not a particular case. Just try , after , if you don't even try...Then don't expect any mercy about it. You may be misunderstood , and it's not a good point in being considered as a good member , or getting respected. That's your problem now.

Apoc · Mar 05, 2010 6:08 PM

I agree that people are allowed to make mistakes and that does happen but I never point out their spelling mistakes. But sometimes people type badly to either shorten their sentences or to look cool, that annoys me.

Mr. John · Mar 05, 2010 10:18 PM

You can add me to the list of mean people just flipped out a guy who was giving me hell. But you know what that's just how some of us are except us for it.

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Clock-la · Mar 07, 2010 11:01 AM

Basicly just be happy your here. try telling this to the members of dark spyro. there out of controll the whole site has fellen appart and everyone is eather part of "the crue" or considerd an out cast pest. So next time be tankfull your on a site where we all pay eacother...little respect rather than non.

Mr. John · Mar 07, 2010 12:04 PM

Amen to that! I want to be a person who does the right thing and is nice! Not a jerk face!

cooldude22345 · Mar 07, 2010 5:09 PM

Clock-la wrote:

Basicly just be happy your here. try telling this to the members of dark spyro. there out of controll the whole site has fellen appart and everyone is eather part of "the crue" or considerd an out cast pest. So next time be tankfull your on a site where we all pay eacother...little respect rather than non.

WHOA WHOA WHOA.

Darkspyro is out of control? lawl, I gotta check this out...

Aicebo · Mar 07, 2010 6:40 PM

I've recently been getting troll'd for a video pairing on youtube

I'm hoping it'll fade out in a couple weeks like it did here

I'm in hiding and will probably make an undercover account to play with til people quit hating on me XDDDD

24gh12 · Mar 07, 2010 7:57 PM

SapphireSheep wrote:

Is it so hard to treat people with respect today. People (not just here) are so rude anymore it is sickening. Yes we arn't perfect and we all have our moments of being rude towards someone. But that isn't much of an excuse when it happens all the time. Even over the internet people should show respect towards others because they are still a human being.
Another thing that bothers me is that people seem to really have a pole jammed up their butt when it comes to spelling errors. Again we are human and we are not perfect. I bet even you grammar nazis have had plenty of spelling errors. I bet this post even has plenty of them. And no matter the age of a person they shouldn't be judged harshly for it. Some people type quickly and forget to look over their post for spelling errors or don't see the spelling mistake or some just don't care. Some people don't have a high education or struggle in that particular area. And there are people who don't have english as their first language. Its ok to point out something spelled wrong, but almost everytime I see this happen it is done with disrespect. But usually people really dont seem to care if somthing is spelled wrong as long as you understand what they mean. A spelling mistake is not the end of the freakin world.
I understand that things like this just don't change. Hell, I've been on Xbox live for 3 years and seen enough of it to know. You just can't trust people. You can hardly find someone to be civil with or to be friends with. People backstab and use eachother. It's hard to find a TRUE friend. Every person is different and we all wont get along perfectly. But I would still love to see people at least be civil towards one another. I have little friends because they are the only ones I can trust anymore.
I just want to hear what other think. I'm sure plenty are tired of this too. no pointing fingers or saying names. I dont want this topic getting out of hand. what are your expiriences with people today?

mainly because they think the world revolves around them and all they listen to is just foul language and think all things that is not foul mouthed is bad and by how much adult stuff the watch/listen they think it's real and they act like how there parents act

Rurikredwolf · Mar 07, 2010 8:16 PM

Clock-la wrote:

Basicly just be happy your here. try telling this to the members of dark spyro. there out of controll the whole site has fellen appart and everyone is eather part of "the crue" or considerd an out cast pest. So next time be tankfull your on a site where we all pay eacother...little respect rather than non.

Tell me something new. That site is just dumb.

Mr. John · Mar 07, 2010 10:19 PM

Darkspyro got some problems hope everything gets better!

midget_roxx · Mar 10, 2010 12:01 PM

... that's what she said.

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