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DarkMaster · Feb 20, 2010 7:44 AM

I dont wanna read it, i know what its gonna say, i hate our race, we are so destructive

bmah · Feb 20, 2010 7:47 AM

^ Yeah, put your hands over your ears, and don't post in this thread then.

DarkMaster · Feb 20, 2010 7:50 AM

i wish we had another race, i love wolves we kill everything!

off topic and @bmah. why? you gonna have swearing fest? XD

bmah · Feb 20, 2010 8:20 AM

Naw, if you read the thread, you'll see that there's more to it than meets the eye. So when a lot of people say that "oh, the human race is so heartless" they don't see the other side of things. In other words, what happens IF you let the wolves go rampant in your property. For farmers, hunters, and rural people, this is devastating. A lot of people here are emotionally attached to wolves (oh, look at the post I made above) and they don't give a second thought to the situation. You can still stand by your opinion if you at least considered both sides of the issue, but most people completely disregard the other aspect. Look throughout the thread for more info.

Aicebo · Feb 20, 2010 8:08 PM

If we didn't kill wolves they would over-populate

They would come and eat your precious kitty-coos and doggy-doos, and if you live on a farm, all your livestock

Wolves have ALWAYS provided, and still do to a lot of people, clothing and food.

That's the way it always has been and it's not going to change just because some people think that it's "heartless" when really, they're one of the many animals put on this world to feed us.

Take it as a right and value it; a creature died to keep you living. That's the way the world works. That's life.

Swaffy · Feb 20, 2010 8:44 PM

I believe I read something that somebody posted, saying, "Humans
shouldn't eat meat." Or something similar to that, as if being a vegetatian.

Please forgive me for referring to Christianity and the Bible, but Genesis
9:2-3 NLT says,

[2] "All the wild animals, large and small, and all the birds and fish will be
afraid of you. I have placed them in your power. [3] I have given them to
you for food, just as I have given you grain and vegetables."

[This is merely a notation, not an arguement. If you disagree, you may. I will not fight back.]

Aicebo · Feb 21, 2010 1:54 AM

Swaffy wrote:

I believe I read something that somebody posted, saying, "Humans
shouldn't eat meat." Or something similar to that, as if being a vegetatian.
Please forgive me for referring to Christianity and the Bible, but Genesis
9:2-3 NLT says,
[2] "All the wild animals, large and small, and all the birds and fish will be
afraid of you. I have placed them in your power. [3] I have given them to
you for food, just as I have given you grain and vegetables."
[This is merely a notation, not an arguement. If you disagree, you may. I will not fight back.]

Although I don't follow the book nor the religion, I agree with this

Humans have always been the more dominant animal in this world and we always will be. That's the way it is.

~cornys~ · Feb 21, 2010 5:49 AM

@ above post.. maybe not always.. but speeking in this sence it gets the point across.

I'm not going to put up a logical argument for hunting because it has already been put fourth. There are some people that are more down to earth and realistic than others. In theory we wouldn't hunt animals and, in-turn they wouldn't bother us in anyway. We could live together in harmony.

In reality that's completely impossable. Typicaly that's a city person talking.. or somebody who could care less about actually going out and seeing how the animal kingdom works first hand. Not in a video game or going out just to see a few animals.

I could take this argument a great many of ways, but site rules won't exactly let me take it there so obviously I won't do so.

Just know, (if you dissagree with pro-hunting) like many others do that there is a differnt side of each story and embrace that, and know when you are bias. That's something that comes with age though, and someday our younger members can come back and read this and see the rest of the story from another prospetive.. even though your own may not have changed you'll at least understand what we have been saying.

Swaffy · Feb 23, 2010 1:18 PM

I get where you're going with this. Do you mean that we are trying to
create some sort of utopia? Because in my perspective, the world [or part
of the world] is trying to create a utopia, when in reality, the idea is going in
the complete opposite direction.

Hunting is needed. Meat gives us nutrients and vitamins that we don't get in
plants. Also, us humans are part of the food chain. We are at the top. Some
people may fight against eating meat by being a vegetarian, but us humans
will always eat meat.

gitgud101 · Mar 03, 2010 11:04 AM

I wasnt to slaughter whoever whote that wolf article. They shouldn't be killing them; it's against nature!!

Spyrorocks · Mar 03, 2010 6:17 PM

Just make sure you never eat meat again.

Aicebo · Mar 03, 2010 6:27 PM

Spyromaster64 wrote:

I wasnt to slaughter whoever whote that wolf article. They shouldn't be killing them; it's against nature!!

...Uhh...no.

Technically we are a type of animal, and other animals kill smaller ones to live. That's what we do. We're like several other predators. It's part of nature, silly. Plus, a long, long time ago, people hunted just so they can stay alive, and that includes wolves. You couldn't go to a store and buy a blanket, you had to use animal skins, and those included wolf skins. You can't say that's against nature, seeing as it was before a lot of things today even existed.

Stormy · Mar 03, 2010 8:56 PM

Exactly what they said.
You're not the first to do this, Spyromaster64, but again, I wish people would put more time into reading the article and the thread and thinking about what they're about to say before they say it. I'd love to hear some counterarguments for the opposing side.

s'pyromane · Mar 03, 2010 9:04 PM

(Btw we got the pronoun of super-predator , because we don't have any natural predator to fear now...edit : ah , you posted before me , nevermind)

Hunting is normal. But the new reason of hunting make it superficial , and it goes against our morale now. Three centuries before , it was the sport of the king.

Did you ever heard about the cat's skin traffic in our frontlines ? Watch out if you're sensible , and have a cat at home...
So , the whole region where I live has a frontline in common with the Swiss frontline. Recently , lots of (domesticals) cats just disappears from their home , and couldn't be found anywere. It's forbidden to exploit their fur in France , but it's more or less legal in Swiss. Get the idea ? They kindnap cats with worthy furs and go throught the frontline so they can sell their fur here. The cats are kept alive if they survive their fur's operation , they don't waste their time in killing them , making them agonizing , and of course without a single confort or any care.
Same goes for dogs , but it's less easy to kidnap a dog (that's pretty obvious why) so it's a less important traffic.

All this for what ? For money. Greed is in some human's nature , and sadly today they have an easier life than more honest persons. That's completely against our conscience , so something must be wrong with them , but is it REALLY their fault , huh ?
The problem is our society of violence , profit , sex , immorality and anti-politicarism. But the society is a human's invention ! Shame on us , we're being oppressed , and we react exactly like THEY want us to react : continuing our working pressured life of work working in work factories (purposal pleonasm , don't worry) to gain nothing but a place in our modern world , while THEY earn money and THEY buy the cars that you dream of.
By THEY I mean the littlest part or the world population , the richs , the ones who decide , etc.

So , why blaming this hunter who kill ten wolf a day , while a well-known businessman is building his fortune on the misery of millions , who die if they can't work 20 hours a day ? Think again. And...it's not his fault , he just succeeded in the society he dawn in !
That's our duty to change all this , because if we want all these good things to happen , we're not waiting for the richs to act , they suceeded in life , and since the society is built to be the happiest when you're the richiest , they no longer need to think to the others , if they did like them , they would be rich too ! They thought , unlike us , who don't even have the time to think like they did now ! We're sleeping in our illusive confort , because we fear disorder !

Unlike them , who no longer even think of this , change your world , by yourself , because the money , stimulating the human's greed , will soon be history for most of the already poors , thanks to our actual system , who is an economical prison. We destroy our biodiversity for a metal that bring nothing good for us , I said gold ! Yay !

Sorry.

Btw the quotation of the Bible was pretty smart , take a look again at the page four if you didn't yet. It sums up much things.

midget_roxx · Mar 04, 2010 9:07 AM

s'pyromane wrote:

(Btw we got the pronoun of super-predator , because we don't have any natural predator to fear now...edit : ah , you posted before me , nevermind)
Hunting is normal. But the new reason of hunting make it superficial , and it goes against our morale now. Three centuries before , it was the sport of the king.
Did you ever heard about the cat's skin traffic in our frontlines ? Watch out if you're sensible , and have a cat at home...
So , the whole region where I live has a frontline in common with the Swiss frontline. Recently , lots of (domesticals) cats just disappears from their home , and couldn't be found anywere. It's forbidden to exploit their fur in France , but it's more or less legal in Swiss. Get the idea ? They kindnap cats with worthy furs and go throught the frontline so they can sell their fur here. The cats are kept alive if they survive their fur's operation , they don't waste their time in killing them , making them agonizing , and of course without a single confort or any care.
Same goes for dogs , but it's less easy to kidnap a dog (that's pretty obvious why) so it's a less important traffic.
All this for what ? For money. Greed is in some human's nature , and sadly today they have an easier life than more honest persons. That's completely against our conscience , so something must be wrong with them , but is it REALLY their fault , huh ?
The problem is our society of violence , profit , sex , immorality and anti-politicarism. But the society is a human's invention ! Shame on us , we're being oppressed , and we react exactly like THEY want us to react : continuing our working pressured life of work working in work factories (purposal pleonasm , don't worry) to gain nothing but a place in our modern world , while THEY earn money and THEY buy the cars that you dream of.
By THEY I mean the littlest part or the world population , the richs , the ones who decide , etc.
So , why blaming this hunter who kill ten wolf a day , while a well-known businessman is building his fortune on the misery of millions , who die if they can't work 20 hours a day ? Think again. And...it's not his fault , he just succeeded in the society he dawn in !
That's our duty to change all this , because if we want all these good things to happen , we're not waiting for the richs to act , they suceeded in life , and since the society is built to be the happiest when you're the richiest , they no longer need to think to the others , if they did like them , they would be rich too ! They thought , unlike us , who don't even have the time to think like they did now ! We're sleeping in our illusive confort , because we fear disorder !
Unlike them , who no longer even think of this , change your world , by yourself , because the money , stimulating the human's greed , will soon be history for most of the already poors , thanks to our actual system , who is an economical prison. We destroy our biodiversity for a metal that bring nothing good for us , I said gold ! Yay !

Sorry.

Btw the quotation of the Bible was pretty smart , take a look again at the page four if you didn't yet. It sums up much things.

Stealing cats eh? I think some evidence is in order. Oh and those people "being oppressed" by paying them low wages. Even if they are getting paid crap it's better than not being payed at all wink

s'pyromane · Mar 04, 2010 8:36 PM

Emm yeah , but...Being payed that low (1€ a day , when they're paid...) , when the life is so expensive now...It's like if you were going to work all your life to pay a single box that will be your children miserable house , knowing that they will endure a life as tough , if not worse , as your actual life of almost slave (it's not far at all from being a slave , trust me).
So yeah...Umm...No. They keep working because of their nature , life tend to spread , even in the worst condition , but now we can avoid all this.
We can send a picture to the whole world in a quarter of second , but we can't feed the quarter of the population , neither we can save them from dieing in their horrible hygien of life...Because...Dude , it's way too expensive. Yeah , just because of that. Poors are always more generous than the richs , but they have far less to give , it's such a paradox , isn't it ?
You only realise the worthyness of something when you lost it. And you always want what you don't have , but the more you have , the more you want. Basic , logic , elementary greed. Our society in one word. Selfishness sums up too , individualism is the base.

spyromaster330 · Mar 05, 2010 7:04 AM

I live on a farm, so I can really understand why people need to hunt these Wolves. We don't have Wolves in Australia, but we have loads of foxes around where I live, and when we have lambs on the farm, the foxes can cause alot of damage to the lambs, so my Dad has to go out and shoot them. He also puts lots of poison baits out for the foxes so he can get rid of them. And as people have said before, killing a few Wolves actually keeps the population under control so that the Wolves won't eat all of the animals that they eat. I've really never been able to see why everyone loves Wolves to be honest and the way I've been brought up is part of what lets me see another side to the argument than what the people who are nearly in tears are seeing.

Aicebo · Mar 05, 2010 6:40 PM

^There you go, peta kids
right from someone that knows all about it

You need to keep the population under control and make sure that they don't kill your livestock.

pur · Mar 06, 2010 2:37 PM

[Man, it looks like my rant-mode has been in overdrive, lately. Must take some meds for it...]

The reason why culling wolves to prevent overpopulation has become such a splitting issue is due to the way our culture has decided to perceive the animal in question. I'm sure you lot have seen it, these 'furry' groups that tend to use wolves and other canines and felines to represent themselves and be a target of affection, correct? This probably stems from the whole business of domestication that went on millenia ago, and those original roots have stemmed into the personalisation and arguable anthropomorphisation of domesticated animals and their nearest living ancestors/relatives. There's a problem with the culling of kangaroos for a similar reason, although it's not quite as controversial.

Personally I find it shameful that quite a few people are whining about the wolves (who are causing problems for the balance of the ecosystem, I honestly couldn't give a thought for any farmers) and are ignoring the plights of animals that are being killed and aren't causing problems.

Firefly · Mar 15, 2010 6:34 AM

Stormy wrote:

Was going to comment more on the article itself, but I think there's a bigger problem here.
So this person likes to hunt and thinks there should be fewer wolves. I disagree with him, but why hate all of humanity because of it? Guess what? All of you are human. Everyone in this thread who has posted before me -- you're a human, and you don't think like that guy. We are not an evil race of killers; we are the only fully self-aware, intelligent animals on the planet. Some humans may do cruel things, but we're also the only creatures on this planet who can truly do good. And many people do. It's ridiculous to say you hate our species just because of incidents like this, when there are clear examples right in front of you of humans who care about the wolves just as much as you do.
Honestly, I am more disgusted when people claim to "hate humanity" than this article. Sorry about the rant; I'm just sick of hearing that everywhere.

I know, it gets said a lot on this site in particular, it seems. It's actually rather off putting. No one person(or group of people) define humanity as a whole. Everyone hating on their humanity needs to calm down a bit and chill out, beacuse that's such a negative out look to have on life. Humans have a higher inteligence than most creatures, while it does have negative consequences at times, it is also responsible for a lot of good things.

At the end of the day you guys are all people, you can't run into the forest and be a wolf or turn into a dragon and fly away(and I REALLY get the impression some users on here want to), and that's just something you have to accept... Try and do something about it, protest it, raise awareness if bit bothers you so much. Don't act all crazy and go "I HATE PEOPLE". That does absolutely no good.

-Firefly

~cornys~ · Apr 10, 2010 1:50 AM

Swaffy wrote:

I get where you're going with this. Do you mean that we are trying to
create some sort of utopia? Because in my perspective, the world [or part
of the world] is trying to create a utopia, when in reality, the idea is going in
the complete opposite direction.
Hunting is needed. Meat gives us nutrients and vitamins that we don't get in
plants. Also, us humans are part of the food chain. We are at the top. Some
people may fight against eating meat by being a vegetarian, but us humans
will always eat meat.

Yeah, I get that sence. Sort of like the communist movement of the Cold War Era. It was widely accepted abroad, but in the end it was revealed to be but a hypothetical dream. This society allows us to remove our selves from the animal kingdom and to allow us to think ourselves not involved.

Utopian society movement just the same as before IMO. History does have a tendancy of repeating it's self. I cite WWI and WWII, no there isn't just one is there?

Apoc · Apr 10, 2010 1:25 PM

Killing for sport is wrong, killing to protect is fine.

Black dragon · Apr 10, 2010 2:51 PM

I love how so many people think killing animals is fun, but if killing animals was truly allowed, then the illegal hunters should be afraid, since the police can use that as an excuse to kill them. Plus who knows how much of then human population would go down, since we all just love killing. Seriously, we kill each other just because of hate or racism, which puts plenty of humans (not all, I didn't say all) at the top of the cruelty list. Animals kill animals, yeah that's true, but they do it for food, there's quite a few people who do it for enjoyment. Its different if its for some animal at a zoo, but there's still that side of the human population. If there's one things humans should fear, its these kinds of people, since its getting worse and worse.

Now as for this guy, he's obviously a moron. From whats going on with wolves, humans are horrible at these things. "Well, a wolf ate my lamb", what type of excuse is that? If you were gonna kill the lamb and eat it, then that's just some lame *bleep* excuse. If that's somewhere inhabitable or where you know bad things will happen, then I blame it ALL, yes ALL, on you. Freaggin move if you don't want that to happen. Other than that, I have no sympathy for you. Fate was going to come and bite you sooner or later.

A Guy · Apr 10, 2010 2:54 PM

Black Dragon wrote:

"Well, a wolf ate my lamb", what type of excuse is that? If you were gonna kill the lamb and eat it, then that's just some lame *bleep* excuse.

Seems a pretty valid reason to me. He has every reason to defend his property.

Freaggin move if you don't want that to happen.

Or he could just stay there and kill wolves that don't know what's good for them.

~cornys~ · Apr 10, 2010 3:31 PM

Apoc wrote:

Killing for sport is wrong, killing to protect is fine.

Killing for sport is all right as long as you eat the animal and you do it without assistance of something such as head lights or some other unfair modern technology.

To protect is all right to do on a human even in my opinion, just as long as it's in another person who's being attackedand saved.

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