Newest Xbox lawsuit

Spartan Dragon · Nov 21, 2009 1:22 AM

As some of you may know a large number of xbox 360 users have been getting banned for the past weeks after the release of Modern Warfare 2 and several other games, you wanna know why? Because THEY'RE NOTHING BUT HACKERS AND MODDING PRICKS WHO HAVE BEEN STEALING GAMES!!!!

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/104/1048331p1.html

And here some of them actually have the nerve to try and sue Microsoft because they've been banned for violating their rules, when you sign up for xbox live you agree to a certain terms, one of these terms is that you can't modify your xbox 360 in anyway for illegal activites. And yet some people have done this and have been getting copies of some games for free illegally and now they're *bleep*ed because of it.

By the way, the number of users banned has reached one million

3463 · Nov 23, 2009 2:21 AM

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Neotyguy40 · Nov 23, 2009 3:42 AM

Well? Some hacker will find a way to bypass the system. It's always a game of cat and mouse. It's like the part with iTunes and Palm Pre enabling and disabling syncing.

Hurricos_McBreixo · Dec 01, 2009 6:02 AM

Well I detest the Xbawx 360 and it's "1 in 4 rate of defected consoles", I agree with the article that M$ is also using this ban as a marketing ploy, but Microsoft deserves to have it's games pirated anyway.

Wanna know why? It is because Microsoft costed ppl hundreds if not in the thousands for repairs on the consoles and the purchase of new ones because of their faulty hardware. And because they were too greedy to recall everything and make sure that they take their time in fixing their hardware, their customers have to pay the price.

The majority of the ppl who have xbawxes I believe are children, because I am sure that any adult who works for their money would not want to keep paying to fix something that shouldn't be faulty in the first place over and over. Most children don't care about the prices, because they have their parents buy the console and accessories for them.

And I will quote my cousin when I had mocked him for getting a PS3 back in '06 for $800, plus the extra couple of hundred for games, when PS3 slim is only $300 with more HDD space, he says "I don't care. I didn't pay for it, my parents did. So that's on them." He is only 14 years old.

I've been on Xbox forums like the 360 Republic and looked at the "what's your age?" threads. Again, the majority is only children and few were adult.

TL;DR, Micro$oft deserves to be pirated. But not everything the banned ppl did was piracy, like others have posted it could just be something as simple as improving the hardware so it'd stop bricking or getting a bigger HDD.

Spyrorocks · Dec 01, 2009 7:27 PM

Is it microsoft who gets hurt, or the 3rd party developers? Consider that.

Big deal, the kid got a ps3 back in 2006 for $900. Of course he did, it probably just came out. Prices always go down, but if you gotta have it then you gotta pay up. Its the same with anything you buy, eventually prices will go down.

Neotyguy40 · Dec 04, 2009 3:53 AM

Spyrorocks wrote:

Is it microsoft who gets hurt, or the 3rd party developers? Consider that.
Big deal, the kid got a ps3 back in 2006 for $900. Of course he did, it probably just came out. Prices always go down, but if you gotta have it then you gotta pay up. Its the same with anything you buy, eventually prices will go down.

But 1 in 4 breakdowns is ALOT of users. PS3 owners don't get nearly as many breakdowns... Infact, not even the Wii does! I don't know what is wrong with the Xbox, but MS is not very good with hardware, infact they probably make the worst hardware in the world (aside from Acer =P ).

The problem is that Microsoft is use to having the computer companies wrap their hardware around Windows, but now they had to wrap their software around the hardware they asked for. It's too bad for MS that they couldn't pull it off right. They aren't use to hardware other than the simple mouse and headsets.

Swaffy · Dec 04, 2009 5:26 AM

Hurricos_McBreixo, 75-85% of the information you gave was incorrect. I
have had Xbox Live since Halo 2 came out November 2004 [which makes
me a 5-year Xbox Live member], and so I know a lot more about Xbox
Live than you do. You may have information that comes from your little
buddies and other Internet websites, but I have that, and 5 years of
personal experience.

If you think that Xbox Live is crowded with little kids [16 and younger], you
are quite incorrect. 30-40% of members are of a young age. The rest of
that percentage is split up between people from the years of 17-50.

Also, the only technical problems from other Xbox 360 users are about
their headsets. Occasionally an Xbox user will need to send their Xbox 360
in for a fix-up, but all of that is primarily the effect of the owner's poor
treatment of the console and/or poor treatment from their family
members. There are not much cases on people that had a natural system
problem.

Spyrorocks · Dec 04, 2009 6:59 PM

I don't own an xbox 360, and probably won't buy one even though they are pretty cheap now. If I remember right, there was a design issue with the graphics card too close to a heat sink or something, and if used for prolonged periods you would get the red ring. They could have fixed the issue, but as I recall they didn't choose to recall. Bad decision.

But thats still irrelevant to what I said before about the games, you don't hurt microsoft, you hurt the 3rd party developers.

On the other side, an example of microsoft developing good hardware is seen in the Zune HD. Its a pretty nice device for multimedia, not many apps yet though, just a few games (Project gothem racing is pretty cool though). The OLED screen is wonderful though, great for movies and everything.

Neotyguy40 · Dec 06, 2009 10:45 PM

Spyrorocks wrote:

I don't own an xbox 360, and probably won't buy one even though they are pretty cheap now. If I remember right, there was a design issue with the graphics card too close to a heat sink or something, and if used for prolonged periods you would get the red ring. They could have fixed the issue, but as I recall they didn't choose to recall. Bad decision.
But thats still irrelevant to what I said before about the games, you don't hurt microsoft, you hurt the 3rd party developers.
On the other side, an example of microsoft developing good hardware is seen in the Zune HD. Its a pretty nice device for multimedia, not many apps yet though, just a few games (Project gothem racing is pretty cool though). The OLED screen is wonderful though, great for movies and everything.

I agree, the 3rd party is the ones being hit, but what can you do? Eventually some hacker will find a way around the check, maybe vendor ID?

I agree the Zune HD has good hardware, I got one a few weeks ago, and the only thing I dislike about it is the awkward screen size. I mean, the tegra is pwnage.

The strange thing is that the Zune HD has problems with the software, not hardware (which is strange for MS since most people seem to enjoy theirs). The UI is very... Wierd... Different then other devices. Most devices like that use app interfaces (palm, ipod, etc.), though it isn't something that the average person can't get use to.

I was also upset by the lack of app support. They don't seem to keen to let developers make apps onto the ZHD. I was planning on porting my game I am making over, but then I looked at the process of converting everything to D3D, getting a license, etc. and decided 'ehh, when the time comes...'

You know what they need to do? Put the windows marketplace onto the ZuneHD, they would get thousands of more apps for the ZHD.

Spyrorocks · Dec 07, 2009 2:23 AM

Actually, you can start developing now for free for the zune with XNA game studio, I think its free. Theres 3rd party apps you can download and install if you install XNA. I have a few installed as a demo, but I didn't get the Zune HD for apps so im not complaining much (Got my HTC Dream for that), I got it for movies and music (which it excels at). I love the way they designed the UI for music. The tegra was a very wise choice, the device is extremely responsive and practically 0 delay when switching screen orientation. Ive never had any issues with their software.

I think the zune hd supports openGL for game dev. If they open up the marketplace, I can imagine some people would like to take advantage of the power it offers. I heard some rumours that they are going to incorporate a windows mobile marketplace and the zune marketplace, but all it is is rumours.

Namba · Dec 07, 2009 2:30 AM

Here's one reason the 360 can go to hell: the "red ring of death".

Spinner the Faun · Dec 07, 2009 5:41 AM

Xbox people make me sick with all their banning over modded Xbox's. It's OUR console, we should be allowed to do what the Hell we want with it.

For instance, on Smackdown VS Raw 2010 a bunch of us modded the game and imported wrestlers from previous games such as Ric Flair etc. And then they got banned. I didn't because I never went online with it. But it's disgusting. We paid for the games, we should be allowed to do what we want.

Neotyguy40 · Dec 09, 2009 3:51 AM

Spyrorocks wrote:

Actually, you can start developing now for free for the zune with XNA game studio, I think its free. Theres 3rd party apps you can download and install if you install XNA. I have a few installed as a demo, but I didn't get the Zune HD for apps so im not complaining much (Got my HTC Dream for that), I got it for movies and music (which it excels at). I love the way they designed the UI for music. The tegra was a very wise choice, the device is extremely responsive and practically 0 delay when switching screen orientation. Ive never had any issues with their software.
I think the zune hd supports openGL for game dev. If they open up the marketplace, I can imagine some people would like to take advantage of the power it offers. I heard some rumours that they are going to incorporate a windows mobile marketplace and the zune marketplace, but all it is is rumours.

I was looking at an XNA engine similar to Torque 3D (the one I am using) which is called TX3D. Check it out if you want. I don't really care for the XNA program since it seemed very limited. I need to use the C# scripting language which can't be edited even if I had access to the source code, which puts a big hamper on what I am allowed to do on it. Couple that with pure DirectX use (other than the GLSL API), I don't really think it would really suit me. I bought TX2D (the same except... 2d) and I disliked using it. I also use OSX, which means I needed to boot it up in Parallels (got Parallels 5 and it runs nice!). That means I can't create a Linux port for a server... Although I guess that doesn't matter since multiplayer games need to use Microsoft's servers.

Zune doesn't support OpenGL, but there is a command-line program for Linux that let's you turn OpenGL functions into DX functions (and vice versa), which would save alot of time editing.

Where did you read that they were going to bring the WinMob marketplace into the ZHD??? If that is the case, I might attempt to port my game over to it since it would be worth such a large market.

3463 · Dec 09, 2009 6:38 AM

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Vistnaulmus · Dec 09, 2009 2:06 PM

Spinner the Faun wrote:

Xbox people make me sick with all their banning over modded Xbox's. It's OUR console, we should be allowed to do what the Hell we want with it.
For instance, on Smackdown VS Raw 2010 a bunch of us modded the game and imported wrestlers from previous games such as Ric Flair etc. And then they got banned. I didn't because I never went online with it. But it's disgusting. We paid for the games, we should be allowed to do what we want.

Not necessarily. For example, the game companies don't want you to copy the game disc and start selling those copies...

midget_roxx · Dec 12, 2009 2:18 PM

Spinner the Faun wrote:

Xbox people make me sick with all their banning over modded Xbox's. It's OUR console, we should be allowed to do what the Hell we want with it.
For instance, on Smackdown VS Raw 2010 a bunch of us modded the game and imported wrestlers from previous games such as Ric Flair etc. And then they got banned. I didn't because I never went online with it. But it's disgusting. We paid for the games, we should be allowed to do what we want

Yes it's true that it is YOUR console however its Microsofts xbox live system and they can ban whoever they want to since it's a private system and you have to agree to terms and conditions.

By your friends modding their console, it allows them to download pirated software and still Microsoft is in the "right" since in the terms and conditions it will say that you cannot mod the xbox and play online.

If you want to play modded games you buy a computer and use that to get whatever games you want modded.

midget_roxx · Dec 12, 2009 2:19 PM

Also expect this court case to fail at the hearing

Spyrorocks · Dec 12, 2009 7:18 PM

Neotyguy40 wrote:

Spyrorocks wrote:
Actually, you can start developing now for free for the zune with XNA game studio, I think its free. Theres 3rd party apps you can download and install if you install XNA. I have a few installed as a demo, but I didn't get the Zune HD for apps so im not complaining much (Got my HTC Dream for that), I got it for movies and music (which it excels at). I love the way they designed the UI for music. The tegra was a very wise choice, the device is extremely responsive and practically 0 delay when switching screen orientation. Ive never had any issues with their software.
I think the zune hd supports openGL for game dev. If they open up the marketplace, I can imagine some people would like to take advantage of the power it offers. I heard some rumours that they are going to incorporate a windows mobile marketplace and the zune marketplace, but all it is is rumours.
I was looking at an XNA engine similar to Torque 3D (the one I am using) which is called TX3D. Check it out if you want. I don't really care for the XNA program since it seemed very limited. I need to use the C# scripting language which can't be edited even if I had access to the source code, which puts a big hamper on what I am allowed to do on it. Couple that with pure DirectX use (other than the GLSL API), I don't really think it would really suit me. I bought TX2D (the same except... 2d) and I disliked using it. I also use OSX, which means I needed to boot it up in Parallels (got Parallels 5 and it runs nice!). That means I can't create a Linux port for a server... Although I guess that doesn't matter since multiplayer games need to use Microsoft's servers.
Zune doesn't support OpenGL, but there is a command-line program for Linux that let's you turn OpenGL functions into DX functions (and vice versa), which would save alot of time editing.
Where did you read that they were going to bring the WinMob marketplace into the ZHD??? If that is the case, I might attempt to port my game over to it since it would be worth such a large market.

Tegra supports OpenGL ES 2.0, and if I recall correctly they have just implanted the functions into the XNA sdk.

Hurricos_McBreixo · Aug 12, 2010 5:54 PM

Swaffy, no one asked if you did or not, I couldn't care less if you had a xbawx live account or whatever.

I suppose by poor treatment you mean no constant checkups to make sure you have it in a place where it can't gather dust or overheat much, huh? If not, explain yourself, give examples. Otherwise what you have said is considered False Information in my opinion.

Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwINtoQpyNc. <----That still shows how much it still sucks. My Wii doesn't do that when I move it while it's playing. My PS3 doesn't do that when I move it while it's playing.

Why does the 360 still continue to cost ppl money with it's faulty hardware? Hmm?

Harpuia · Aug 12, 2010 6:01 PM

I've gone through 4 xbox's. Its not the fun replacing your console. My wii and ps3 are fine.

cooldude22345 · Aug 21, 2010 8:03 PM

Hurricos_McBreixo wrote:

Swaffy, no one asked if you did or not, I couldn't care less if you had a xbawx live account or whatever.
I suppose by poor treatment you mean no constant checkups to make sure you have it in a place where it can't gather dust or overheat much, huh? If not, explain yourself, give examples. Otherwise what you have said is considered False Information in my opinion.
Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwINtoQpyNc. <----That still shows how much it still sucks. My Wii doesn't do that when I move it while it's playing. My PS3 doesn't do that when I move it while it's playing.
Why does the 360 still continue to cost ppl money with it's faulty hardware? Hmm?

If it says, "Do not shake", it's probably for a good *bleep*ing reason. That *bleep*'s on you if you mess it up. I can't think of a moment where I'll want to pick up my xbox and shake the crap out of it, can you?

Why does it still continue to cost people money? Because, as you can probably tell, these guys are *bleep*ing marketing geniuses. They minimize cost and maximize profit. Crappy hardware = low price = more profit.

But hey! Once in a blue moon you get a dude who got his xbox in 2006 (me) and has never gotten the red ring of death!

Neotyguy40 · Aug 21, 2010 11:29 PM

cooldude22345 wrote:

If it says, "Do not shake", it's probably for a good *bleep*ing reason. That *bleep*'s on you if you mess it up. I can't think of a moment where I'll want to pick up my xbox and shake the crap out of it, can you?

Dude, did you watch the video? The guy didn't shake it, he picked it up a few inches off the ground and the disk was completely DESTROYED... Disks are fragile, and even if it had 1/100th of the damage in the video, the disk would still be completely dead.

You can't compare shaking to to what the guy did in the video... You want to see shaking? Skip to 2:10 in this video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/GlI4BwjXAC0&feature=channel[/youtube]

It's like saying "Do not drop or it will break", yet it breaks because you just place it on the ground...

cooldude22345 wrote:

Why does it still continue to cost people money? Because, as you can probably tell, these guys are *bleep*ing marketing geniuses. They minimize cost and maximize profit. Crappy hardware = low price = more profit.

Ripoff artists are not marketing geniuses, which is why I will never buy from M$ again!

Spyrorocks · Aug 25, 2010 4:50 PM

Are you sure its cheaper for them to pay all that shipping and send out new consoles to people for faulty ones???

Swaffy · Aug 25, 2010 6:27 PM

I don't plan on even moving my console. I have my computer monitor
[LCD flat screen] on top of it, and my 360 plugged into it to get a high
definition out of it. I used to have it plugged into a crappy old television,
but that's irrelevant. Anyways, this arguement is downright stupid, as
many people don't even move their console[s] when they are on and
running. If you do that, you probably have no reason to.

If you want to move your console, be the intelligent creation you are and
just turn it off. There's no reason in moving it while it's on and running unless
the video game you are playing at the time tells you to [which they don't].

Neotyguy40 · Aug 25, 2010 10:02 PM

Swaffy wrote:

I don't plan on even moving my console. I have my computer monitor
[LCD flat screen] on top of it, and my 360 plugged into it to get a high
definition out of it. I used to have it plugged into a crappy old television,
but that's irrelevant. Anyways, this arguement is downright stupid, as
many people don't even move their console[s] when they are on and
running. If you do that, you probably have no reason to.
If you want to move your console, be the intelligent creation you are and
just turn it off. There's no reason in moving it while it's on and running unless
the video game you are playing at the time tells you to [which they don't].

During long rides down south, I set my PS3 in the car.
Xbox cables are pretty short. I remember accidentally yanking gamecube controllers during Kirby Air Ride all the time because the cables were too short.
Turning off the console sound like a pretty big inconvenience for just moving the console over. Yea, you should be smart enough to do it, but this is just like the argument with the new iPhones. Those "smart people" will just "hold it different".
At my friends house, he places his Xbox in a specific spot where he needs to take it out (moving it), put the CD in and put it back (moving it). Last time I checked, the dashboard was made so people didn't HAVE to restart their consoles to put in a CD...
A suspension is a tiny piece of plastic. Literally costing pennies to make and install. Sure, some people can just say "it's not a big deal" and ignore it, but that is basically just conforming to what companies want.

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