Democrat or Republican

RedDragonX · Jan 21, 2009 5:03 AM

Get rid of Guantomono Bay -.-....gee I wonder what he is going to do with all those criminal masterminds....let em run free again I guess. Unless he has a good solution for that other then the fact it's not right to "torture" terrorists...then I have little faith.

ratchet · Jan 21, 2009 8:54 AM

Bush isn't an idiot, he just has no idea how to run a country.

bmah · Jan 21, 2009 8:54 PM

RedDragonX wrote:

Get rid of Guantomono Bay -.-....gee I wonder what he is going to do with all those criminal masterminds....let em run free again I guess. Unless he has a good solution for that other then the fact it's not right to "torture" terrorists...then I have little faith.

Have you heard of the Omar Khadr incident? About the young Canadian in Guantanamo Bay who's been in the middle of a legal battle for years? What's your position for Khadr? Should he be released or still remain in prison?

RedDragonX · Jan 21, 2009 9:14 PM

If you have commited a terrorist act against this country I have no smpathy for you and I never will. They were placed in Gittmo for a reason...and that's where they belong. I'm not gonna hold a pitty party for someone who was under the impression that if they killed innocents in the name of religion they would be forever martyred. No thanks...closing it isn't a smart move..unless they come up with a very reasonable solution.

Evidence can swing both ways...an I think that no matter how much most will talk or give statistics we will never know the full truth. He was present at the time of the incident...so until I hear otherwise or know otherwise he can be just as guilty as any of them. Maybe he shouldn't have been in the area when it happened. But regardless he is the youngest member of that prison as opposed to a much larger deal of scum that rest within its bounderies.

If they can come up with a good place to put them then I will support it..but until I hear otherwise I will not...but I refuse to feel sorry for anyone within its walls and nor do I support their release.

EclipsedMoon99 · Jan 21, 2009 10:05 PM

CoolerThanYou68 wrote:

I lost my memory a year ago and I still can't find all the answers that I'm looking for.

What happened this September 11th? That was only a few months ago, you would have heard about it then.

TalonKingNightwing · Jan 22, 2009 3:42 PM

I tend to lean Republican. As for conservative or liberal, for me anyway, it depends on the issue.

While I certainly don't agree with everything Bush did during his presidency, he certainly reminded me about keeping my hopes up despite hardships like he did. (I suggest you listen to Josh Groban's song "Don't Give Up. You Are Loved". I'm REALLY struggling in college right now and that song hits home every time I need a reminder that there are people who care about me, regardless of what my lowsy GPA of 1.65 says).

What I'm most proud of Bush for is doing what few presidents in the past have...taking the fight to the enemy head on. Is Irag a total success? No. Is it a total failure? No. The place is far better now than it was when Hussein was in control. Now the people have a democratically elected government and their voices can be heard. However we still need too hunt Bin Laden down.

As for the crashing economy, that was NOT Bush's fault. It was the combined effort of: 1. Banks and financial institutions that were recklessly loaning money to anybody who asked for one. 2. We the customers with our rampant use of credit cards and getting deep into into debt. It wouldn't surprise me if some people did that on purpose just so they could declare bankruptcy just so they wouldn't have too pay back any of their debts, thereby cheating the banks and financial institutions out of their money. I used to work at a grocery store and I saw tons of people making everyday purchases with a credit card. In my honest opinion, a credit card should only be used in an absolute emergency. 1 is a rare case where I'm in favor of federal regulation.

CoolerThanYou68 · Jan 22, 2009 9:14 PM

EclipsedMoon99 wrote:

CoolerThanYou68 wrote:
I lost my memory a year ago and I still can't find all the answers that I'm looking for.
What happened this September 11th? That was only a few months ago, you would have heard about it then.

Huh I don't think I'v heard about it till now. Also why would I have heard about it then?

RedDragonX · Jan 22, 2009 11:03 PM

TalonKingNightwing wrote:

I tend to lean Republican. As for conservative or liberal, for me anyway, it depends on the issue.
While I certainly don't agree with everything Bush did during his presidency, he certainly reminded me about keeping my hopes up despite hardships like he did. (I suggest you listen to Josh Groban's song "Don't Give Up. You Are Loved". I'm REALLY struggling in college right now and that song hits home every time I need a reminder that there are people who care about me, regardless of what my lowsy GPA of 1.65 says).
What I'm most proud of Bush for is doing what few presidents in the past have...taking the fight to the enemy head on. Is Irag a total success? No. Is it a total failure? No. The place is far better now than it was when Hussein was in control. Now the people have a democratically elected government and their voices can be heard. However we still need too hunt Bin Laden down.
As for the crashing economy, that was NOT Bush's fault. It was the combined effort of: 1. Banks and financial institutions that were recklessly loaning money to anybody who asked for one. 2. We the customers with our rampant use of credit cards and getting deep into into debt. It wouldn't surprise me if some people did that on purpose just so they could declare bankruptcy just so they wouldn't have too pay back any of their debts, thereby cheating the banks and financial institutions out of their money. I used to work at a grocery store and I saw tons of people making everyday purchases with a credit card. In my honest opinion, a credit card should only be used in an absolute emergency. 1 is a rare case where I'm in favor of federal regulation.

Well spoken TKN....I don't believe in using Credit Cards period. I only use something that I can see and that I know is there. Anything that involves adding debt upon myself I stay away from. The most I will have is a Debit Card and that's it.

bmah · Jan 23, 2009 3:36 AM

I don't know if fighting the enemy head on was a successful idea. It just sounds like "fists first, brains later". Giving some thought doesn't necessarily mean shying away from the enemy, so diving head-on to the enemy just doesn't sound like a prime choice to make. The bull-headed attitude is probably the source of many past mistakes in the first place.
Also, is Bin Laden someone we really need to worry about still? I think the main problems these days is more than just hunting this infamous guy. I think hunting him down would just get us sidetracked.

RedDragonX · Jan 23, 2009 4:09 AM

Seeing as how Bin Laden is the leader of one of the most dangerous groups of terrorists on the planet...and one of the plotters of not just the first failed World Trade Center bombing but the SECOND....um no...we are going to hunt that *bleep* down until the end of the earth if we have to...and in the end he will get just what he deserves just like Saddam did.

As for charging in head first...Bush wasn't one for this politicaly correct be friendly to everyone nonsense. Our country was attacked and we reacted quickly and effectively. Now as far as I can see our country has not suffered any more terrorist attacks and several have been foiled thanks to the "Bull headed" strategy of keeping the terrorists where they belong rather then over here killing more innocent people.

Spyro_Loves_Me · Jan 23, 2009 6:19 AM

I have to agree. I don't like the idea of Bin Laden running around out there. I'm sure he'll be found soon. We've gotten pretty close several times.

And I'm a strong conservative.

bmah · Jan 23, 2009 6:25 AM

I dunno. Bin Laden just doesn't seem to directly connect to the bigger problems we're facing right now. Catching him might make headlines, but I don't think that's going to have much of an impact on the amount of insurgents coming nor would it largely reduce people from still adopting an extremist belief.

RedDragonX · Jan 23, 2009 9:32 PM

The man is again I say...one of the leaders of such radical groups that have attacked our country. If we can find the prick and make him pay for what he has managed to do to our country then I'm all for it.

I'm not very willing to let the masterminds run around out there freely...and if capturing him and executing him gives our forces a large morale boost then that's what we will do. He deserves to pay for it...and that's what he will get when the coward is finally caught.

CoolerThanYou68 · Jan 23, 2009 11:55 PM

RedDragonX wrote:

He deserves to pay for it.

I think that God is the one that can make all the calls that he thinks should be needed.

Only God can make that call.

RedDragonX · Jan 24, 2009 12:26 AM

And I suppose that God also made the call for the 3,500 people who were incinerated or leapt to their deaths on that lovely September morning. No. Not for me....that was as much as I needed to see. When we catch him he will be punished for the pain he has helped inflict upon us. And when he does get what he deserves I hope that God has the resolve to send him into the deepest pits of purgatory.

CoolerThanYou68 · Jan 24, 2009 12:34 AM

Now thats the right idea, always leave the work of fait to God he always makes the good choices for us.

...and who knows maybe what ever you're talking about happend for a reason, or the Devil was a dirty little *bleep* and got there first.

RedDragonX · Jan 24, 2009 12:41 AM

I'm not going to get into a religious debate about this subject. What happened that morning was one of the most terrifying things that I have ever seen....and I'll be *bleep* if we are going to continue to let anyone involved in it run free. That was something that those people didn't deserve. Nobody deserved it.

If God is the kind of entity that I have read about then he would not have let this kind of thing sit lightly. I'm not going to sit here and think that it happened for a reason. Simply put a bunch of fanatical terrorists decided to wipe out thousands of innocent people to prove a USELESS point.

Anyone who took part in such horrifying plans deserves to suffer for it.

CoolerThanYou68 · Jan 24, 2009 1:00 AM

I don't seem to find that distrubing. I just look at the other side of things.

But as I always am I would not really care in the first place.....

RaidonMakoto · Jan 24, 2009 3:26 AM

RedDragonX wrote:

Seeing as how Bin Laden is the leader of one of the most dangerous groups of terrorists on the planet...and one of the plotters of not just the first failed World Trade Center bombing but the SECOND....um no...we are going to hunt that *Bleep* down until the end of the earth if we have to...and in the end he will get just what he deserves just like Saddam did.

Bin Laden's dead. His Kidneys started failing at the beginning of this decade. I can't see Bin Laden running around the Torabora Mountains dragging a kidney dialysis machine. hmm If we had only focused on hunting Bin Laden first before attacking people that had nothing to do with attacking us, maybe we could have caught him.

Now as far as I can see our country has not suffered any more terrorist attacks and several have been foiled thanks to the "Bull headed" strategy of keeping the terrorists where they belong rather then over here killing more innocent people.

Everyone just hates us now because we are attacking countries for no *bleep* good reason.

What happened that morning was one of the most terrifying things that I have ever seen....and I'll be *bleep* if we are going to continue to let anyone involved in it run free.

Well, whaddya know, Saddam wasn't involved in 9/11. Whodathunk?

I'm not very willing to let the masterminds run around out there freely...and if capturing him and executing him gives our forces a large morale boost then that's what we will do. He deserves to pay for it...and that's what he will get when the coward is finally caught.

You realize that executing Bin Laden is counter-productive, right? Besides the fact that he's already dead, executing him will only have him go out a martyr, get him his 72 virgins, and give the enemy a major morale boost.

Now thats the right idea, always leave the work of fait to God he always makes the good choices for us.
...and who knows maybe what ever you're talking about happend for a reason, or the Devil was a dirty little *Bleep* and got there first.

Or, you know, it was 20 insane men as opposed to two figures in children's fairy tales. wink

Stormy · Jan 24, 2009 3:29 AM

Excuse me, but that last comment was rather uncalled for.

RedDragonX · Jan 24, 2009 3:35 AM

Only a matter of time before that showed up. Anyways...

Until we find a dead body that proves that the man is dead then I will not be convinced of the fact. As far as I can see besides hearing that his kidneys were failing I have seen no other proof to support that theory.

And everyone hates us when we don't get involved anyways...then low and behold they call us murderers when we do something about it. People will always be displeased no matter what we do. GET USE TO IT!!!

And again your own judgments simply cloud everything that you have said. The man had connections to both attacks...and he is involved with the groups that made the attacks...and in my book that's more then enough reason to kill him or burn his body if we do find it.

And as for that...what do you suggest we do with him when we do find him? Act all nice and political and keep the man alive and well in Gitmo...oh wait...nevermind I forgot we closed the place housing a lovely group of men who absolutly love our country. Anyways the man will be dead and my heart will be at rest knowing that we have one less coward to worry about. The fighting will continue no matter what even if we do do it....that's the way it has been for the last 20 years.

Aicebo · Jan 24, 2009 3:38 AM

Raidon, you should know better than to bicker with members.

RedDragonX · Jan 24, 2009 3:43 AM

And you guys honestly think that he cares lol......I doubt it.

Stormy · Jan 24, 2009 3:45 AM

I don't care if he cares or not; he has no excuse to troll like that.

Neotyguy40 · Jan 24, 2009 4:10 AM

I don't judge them by their party. I judge them by how they are going to act and run the country.

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