hope oridginall spyro will be back

Fletch_Talon · Oct 31, 2008 12:01 AM

Gunderstank wrote:

Stormy wrote:
I agree. I wouldn't mind TLoS half as much if they had invented a different dragon character, since they mutated Spyro so much that he's totally different anyway.
And then people respond that "Spyro would have died if it wasn't for TLoS". Ugh. It's not the same Spyro, so he might as well be dead.
This pretty much proves my point, people are afraid of change. I'm tired of argueing about this, it really gets none of us anywhere.
Fletch_Talon wrote:
i still laugh everytime someone says they prefer new spyro, i laugh because to people who really loved spyro the way he was can see that the new games only qualify as spyro games because of the name slapped on the box, apart from that you might as well be playing a magical blue/green polka dotted capybara
Wtf is your peoples problems, this right here proves that some people are in denial. The old gamers where going to die and be gone forever, and then when the game gets an actual story and the story is started over and relates nothing to the older games, people freaked out. Why? Change...that's why, don't tell me I'm wrong, I'm not, people FEAR change. It's still the same purple dragon. This is what a REBOOT means, they started the story over. The old games aren't coming back, because they failed. Sorry
Kazoobie64 wrote:
As I said numerous times again and again. If they suddenly stopped making Mario games, started making these new series called "The Mario Chronicles" where you control some tall, gruff man with messy blonde hair who wears the same clothes as Mario and is a plumber, but also happens to be a hitman... and the only mentionable characters are Luigi and Bowser, both equally different to their old counterparts. No mention of Peach, Yoshi, Toad, or any other endearing characters as they've disappeared without a trace. Your main task in the game? Perform combos with your trusty plunger gun. The story is an exact replica of The Matrix too.
That was a horrible example of how to compare the old and new spyro, just horrible.

1. I fear change, but since the change has happened and has been around for a number of years now, it isnt fear that motivates me, id say itd be more sentimentality than anything, that or, you know, they took a good game and took away anything original about it, made it a serious game in a world that is in dire need of some fun and chucked it on the shelves

2. the games where not suffering because of the style of play, the lack of story or anything of that kind, they suffered because the designers who took over were lazy morons who, like the current designers thought of spyro as nothing more than a big purple cash cow they could milk dry regardless of the quality of games they produced

3. it was a very accurate example, take a much loved character, trash his entire history to date, write a new one resembling the old in absolutely no way, rewrite his character, change the way he does everything, change the way the game is played

finally, nobody is saying you cant like the legend series, but common sense and logic repeatedly leads to the conclusion that spyro should have been revived the way he was, or not at all, and that the legend series is only a spyro game because it was a way to make money easier

Gunderstank · Oct 31, 2008 1:20 AM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

finally, nobody is saying you cant like the legend series, but common sense and logic repeatedly leads to the conclusion that spyro should have been revived the way he was, or not at all, and that the legend series is only a spyro game because it was a way to make money easier

I know...I know, but I must admit though, I would be disappointed if they stopped the storyline that is going on now. I know not everyone will agree with me, but I would like to see the story continue, that's just me. Does that make me afraid of change? I don't know, but I wouldn't want to see this series die too, I like it. v_v

Though I can't say I agree with you on the money hunger issue, I never known Sierra to be money hungry, now EA games on the other hand, that's another story. lol

Fletch_Talon · Oct 31, 2008 1:26 AM

Gunderstank wrote:

Fletch_Talon wrote:
finally, nobody is saying you cant like the legend series, but common sense and logic repeatedly leads to the conclusion that spyro should have been revived the way he was, or not at all, and that the legend series is only a spyro game because it was a way to make money easier
I know...I know, but I must admit though, I would be disappointed if they stopped the storyline that is going on now. I know not everyone will agree with me, but I would like to see the story continue, that's just me. Does that make me afraid of change? I don't know, but I wouldn't want to see this series die too, I like it. v_v
Though I can't say I agree with you on the money hunger issue, I never known Sierra to be money hungry, now EA games on the other hand, that's another story. lol

i understand what you mean, in a way at least, i understand you dont really want the series you like to go down the gurgler to make way for the one we love, the problem is, even if they were likely to produce both versions of spyro at the same time, from what i hear, tLoS is just about done, i mean sure, you could make games about an adult spyro, or his son spynder or something, but i dont know how well that would work

Gunderstank · Oct 31, 2008 1:36 AM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

i understand what you mean, in a way at least, i understand you dont really want the series you like to go down the gurgler to make way for the one we love, the problem is, even if they were likely to produce both versions of spyro at the same time, from what i hear, tLoS is just about done, i mean sure, you could make games about an adult spyro, or his son spynder or something, but i dont know how well that would work

Lol, that makes me sound like a greedy person. As for producing both games at one time, I agree that wouldn't work out at all, I just want them to continue the storyline, because once again, not all will agree with me, but I thought DotD left plenty of room for story continuation, I felt it left a bit of a cliffhanger. I see where everyone who likes the old spyro is coming from, because like I said, I would be sad if they just up and decided they wasn't gonna make the current one anymore...then Spyro would probably really be dead. I think we are all still lucky Activision even carried Spyro on, because they droped some projects Sierra had.

Stormy · Oct 31, 2008 12:29 PM

I still don't understand this whole "Spyro would be dead" stuff.

It's lucky for you that they carried on, maybe, because you like the new series, but to me, it's almost painful to watch how Spyro has spiraled lower and lower over the years. To me, Spyro is dead: It's not Spyro at all anymore, and I would have preferred it if they had put him out of his misery than to let him live on mutated as he is.

I liked Kazoobie's example. =P

Gunderstank · Oct 31, 2008 3:04 PM

Stormy wrote:

I still don't understand this whole "Spyro would be dead" stuff.
It's lucky for you that they carried on, maybe, because you like the new series, but to me, it's almost painful to watch how Spyro has spiraled lower and lower over the years. To me, Spyro is dead: It's not Spyro at all anymore, and I would have preferred it if they had put him out of his misery than to let him live on mutated as he is.
I liked Kazoobie's example. =P

I think of him as evolved more than mutated, but I see where you're coming from.

Trasher258 · Oct 31, 2008 9:50 PM

Let me say something here.

I love the old series. I also like the new one but...something is lacking. Big time kind of lacking.

The matter of the story in TLoS is well done and some of the gameplay is executed really well. The epic feel though...I've seen a little too much. Not the style for a Spyro game at all. At least not too much of it. DotD had some really nice mechanics/features like the free-flight and elemental-melee mixed combat. The old series had the free-roam, collectibles, and really catchy music. I wonder if they can approve on those features and mix them up. The story can be worked out for itself so I'm not too worried about that at the moment.

I don't care how it looks but how it works. Take some time to think about that.

Fletch_Talon · Oct 31, 2008 10:08 PM

Gunderstank wrote:

Stormy wrote:
I still don't understand this whole "Spyro would be dead" stuff.
It's lucky for you that they carried on, maybe, because you like the new series, but to me, it's almost painful to watch how Spyro has spiraled lower and lower over the years. To me, Spyro is dead: It's not Spyro at all anymore, and I would have preferred it if they had put him out of his misery than to let him live on mutated as he is.
I liked Kazoobie's example. =P
I think of him as evolved more than mutated, but I see where you're coming from.

same thing... more or less, evolution occurs due to favourable mutation... or more accurately mutation which isnt unfavourable

ie a group of humans could evolve a third ear, it wouldnt be useful in any way but it doesnt decrease ability to survive

GhostDragon02 · Nov 01, 2008 12:06 AM

I think you're all being ridiculous.

I'm just as much a fan of the older Spyro games as any of you. I've played every Spyro game that has ever come out(not including the gameboy games, which I tried and disliked).

AND I LOVE THE "LEGEND OF SERIES" BETTER. And I still love the classic series too. There's nothing wrong with change, especially when it's a nice change. Spyro is still Spyro, he just looks different and actually has a decent, thought out plot.

I don't see what the big deal is here, you're all acting like a bunch of two year-olds: "These purple jelly beans are lighter than usual! OMFG they've ruined purple jelly beans even though they still taste the same!"

TornWings · Nov 01, 2008 12:21 AM

Some people don't like the changes, they don't have to.

jellyspyro · Nov 01, 2008 8:14 AM

wo wo stop fighting and that. i know some people do like the new seires and some people dont. please dont fight about it.its just a matter of life people like different things and thats fair.

sorry just getting you guys to stop arguing.i do like the old seires also the new seires because spyro does kung fu moves but when i stop playing the game i think to myself. why the hell is spyro doing karte? o_O i mean what?why?i liked the old ones better though because you go to all different kinds of worlds and hear cool/wicked music.like misty bog. i would be soo happy if they make the old spyro games.like make them again but better graphics.but keep the old music though of corse :-P then after yotd make otheres too!also i think your right that nintendo should make spyro games that would be soooo cool.he would be all over the officail nintendo magazin witch i collect every month. yeah that would be awsome :3

Fletch_Talon · Nov 01, 2008 8:55 AM

GhostDragon02 wrote:

I think you're all being ridiculous.
I'm just as much a fan of the older Spyro games as any of you. I've played every Spyro game that has ever come out(not including the gameboy games, which I tried and disliked).
AND I LOVE THE "LEGEND OF SERIES" BETTER. And I still love the classic series too. There's nothing wrong with change, especially when it's a nice change. Spyro is still Spyro, he just looks different and actually has a decent, thought out plot.
I don't see what the big deal is here, you're all acting like a bunch of two year-olds: "These purple jelly beans are lighter than usual! OMFG they've ruined purple jelly beans even though they still taste the same!"

see the problem with your argument is... well you have none

you claim spyro is still the same, despite all the evidence put forward by myself and others that he is different in many ways, when you can actually prove that spyro is in any way the same as he was you might have the bare beginnings of a point there

and please dont insult us all by stating
he's purple
he's a dragon
he can breath fire
or any other superficial similarities

thats like saying a pair of twins are the same person despite having distinct personalities

and as far as plot goes, ill take "smallest dragon has to save the bigger dragons cuz the spell that turned them to stone went over his head" over "cliched chosen one has to defeat cliched bad guy with the helpof cliched father/mentor and cliched depressed once evil love interest"

i look at those 2options and see one that is simple but has a degree of originality and one that is more complex, but a bunch of cliches, so to be honest id consider them to be equally decent and well thought out

ratchet · Nov 01, 2008 9:49 AM

AND I LOVE THE "LEGEND OF SERIES" BETTER. And I still love the classic series too. There's nothing wrong with change, especially when it's a nice change. Spyro is still Spyro, he just looks different and actually has a decent, thought out plot.

He just looks different and has a better plot? Are you kidding:
1.Completely new Storyile
2.Completely new characters
3.Completely different music
4.Completely different genre
5.Completely different gameplay
6.Completely different personality of Spyro
....and Thats just the beginning. How dare you say they are still the same, they are not. Infact the only thing the same is his species, colour and name. And as we've said, the change wasn't nice.

I don't see what the big deal is here, you're all acting like a bunch of two year-olds: "These purple jelly beans are lighter than usual! OMFG they've ruined purple jelly beans even though they still taste the same!"

Lighter than usual? Taste the same? Firstly, if you're saying that i'm a 2 year old because i want more of my favourite series of games, your saying that hundereds of thousands of gamers are 2 year olds because they all want more of their favourite series, and its completely natural to complain. Secondly, your whole concept of Spyro bing the same just better is wrong anyway as i've already explained.

TornWings · Nov 01, 2008 3:13 PM

...You're kind of overreacting to that post, don't ya think?
As you said, they didn't present any real points, so was picking the post apart and refuting it 1 piece at a time really necessary?

Gunderstank · Nov 01, 2008 3:46 PM

Oh ho ho! NERD RRRRAAAGGGEEE!!!

Spyro Master · Nov 01, 2008 5:03 PM

spyro isnt the same he has changed just live wiv it and get on its not going to change bak and isnt good that they havnt really ruined it wiv wot they hav done they could of like stormy said made it just 4 kids wiv learning to do shapes but they didnt they made it so older people would like it as well

ratchet · Nov 02, 2008 1:09 AM

spyro isnt the same he has changed just live wiv it and get on its not going to change bak and isnt good that they havnt really ruined

No! I'm sure if Spyro started off like TLOS and it got rebooted and became a platforming series, you and others would be complaining, so why not The original fans?
Who said they arn't going to change back? They might, and i'm saying they SHOULD! And if coimpletely destroying what Spyro was isn't ruining, then what is?

it wiv wot they hav done they could of like stormy said made it just 4 kids wiv learning to do shapes but they didnt they made it so older people would like it as well

Or...they could've just NOT REBOOTED THE SERIES!

Fletch_Talon · Nov 02, 2008 4:34 AM

TornWings wrote:

...You're kind of overreacting to that post, don't ya think?
As you said, they didn't present any real points, so was picking the post apart and refuting it 1 piece at a time really necessary?

youre right of course, its just, when i see what appears to be ignorance, i want to try and help the person understand how they can appear to be less ignorant

that and i just like rubbing the fact that none of you have a leg to stand on in your faces

and for the record, the nerd part i get, not so much the rage, you seem to be living in a world where logical argument equals nerd rage, whilst shouting out NERD RAGE, is a perfectly sensible thing to do, fancy that

TornWings · Nov 02, 2008 4:57 AM

Wait, you think I'm right about something? Dear god, that's a first.

I would comment on the rest of that, but I just realized that I don't know the exact point of contention between these 2 groups. So much has been thrown back and forth at this point... in other words, I'll address the main point when I figure what it is. I need to take a break from this anyway, been getting awfully wound up over it.

(Goes back to trace where this mess started)

Kazoobie64 · Nov 02, 2008 5:20 PM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

and for the record, the nerd part i get, not so much the rage, you seem to be living in a world where logical argument equals nerd rage, whilst shouting out NERD RAGE, is a perfectly sensible thing to do, fancy that

The thing is when someone shouts something like that you shouldn't be compelled to answer, since it's just a silly little thing the person did to probably be funny and not meant to be part of a serious argument.

I mean if these guys would have said "TLoS is awesome, old games suck, the end" from the beginning I probably wouldn't have answered at all since there's really nothing for me to discuss about that. Replying something like "that opinion is dumb because the old games etc. etc." is just starting an argument that wasn't there, which is sort of a childish thing to do.

However if they say something like "well the old games shouldn't be revived because they are kiddy" then they should be expecting disputes. Not everyone is going to sit back and agree with them, especially on a forum.

That's just my two cents for anyone here who has started an "argument" knowingly or unknowingly.

Spyro Master · Nov 02, 2008 7:45 PM

this arguement is bascily about which is best old or new spyro from all the forum posts as well as saying the original spyro lovers like me want the old spyro seires redone there r good resons 4 this as teh graphics would b better and also they would be able to make it better than it was wiv effects and possible the extras if any

Kazoobie64 · Nov 02, 2008 8:39 PM

I think we can all agree that no matter what is done, we'll get over it. Personally I don't really see Activision making any good games at all even if they decide to go back to the original style, so if they continue to make bad games whether it's a LoS continuation or not, I'll probably just lose interest entirely. If it's a good and enjoyable game but doesn't continue from LoS, most of you will probably get over it too and maybe actually will enjoy the game or at the very least accept it.

Oh and here's a little something I started talking about with a friend today.

NoIDidNot87: so I beat Dawn of the Dragon today
MumboDelicious: cool did you like it? WASN'T IT AWESOME?????????
NoIDidNot87: of course not big_smile
MumboDelicious: oh
NoIDidNot87: I drifted off entirely during the ending too
MumboDelicious: good
NoIDidNot87: and there was one point in the game where I literally had to pause it and I fell asleep
MumboDelicious: haha
NoIDidNot87: so anyway since I missed the ending I'll just imagine my own
MumboDelicious: I can just show it to you on youtube
NoIDidNot87: NO DON'T
NoIDidNot87: I will imagine an ending so that it leaves for room for going back to the old Spyro
NoIDidNot87: -for*
MumboDelicious: you can't
MumboDelicious: this trilogy was a reboot/entirely different universe
NoIDidNot87: SO???
MumboDelicious: :I
NoIDidNot87: that's just a cover-up for what is actually happening
NoIDidNot87: ok so at the end of Dawn of the Dragon after stuff happens it cuts to Insomniac Spyro sleeping
NoIDidNot87: then he wakes up and goes "WOW SPARX I JUST HAD THE STRANGEST DREAM"
NoIDidNot87: "I dreamt that my face was terribly deformed, yours was too, and you could talk!"
MumboDelicious: heheh
NoIDidNot87: "and for some reason I was some 'special dragon' just because I was purple!"
NoIDidNot87: and then the credits come on with a song called 'hahaha' and the whole Sierra team is animated and dancing in the credits sequence
NoIDidNot87: then the last thing we see is huge text that says "THIS WAS ALL A DREAM, YOU'VE BEEN DREAMING THESE GAMES"
MumboDelicious: *sigh* if only sad

Gunderstank · Nov 02, 2008 8:51 PM

Technically, Sierra is part of Activision, so it will still be Sierra making the games.

Trasher258 · Nov 02, 2008 10:11 PM

I thought the company called Activision Blizzard took control of the franchise during or after development of DotD. I might of missed something from those articles on IGN and Gamespot... *Looks again*

@ Kazoobie64: What?! *laughs* I wouldn't do that as a bridge between the two series...or Spyro series. (Whatever you want to call it.) I would just write up a background story of what could of happened afterward.

Kazoobie64 · Nov 02, 2008 10:28 PM

Hah, she was just joking but I think it would pretty funny if it happened anyway.

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