Can they do this?

Fletch_Talon · Sep 24, 2008 10:41 PM

dogs are better than cats... genetically... are you serious?

theyve both gone through countless years of inbreeding to get to the stage theyre at today, id say theyre as bad as each other

and dogs arent any more in tune with human emotions than cats are, people seem to have this idea that cats are all snobby animals that dont care about you unless you have food for them, the truth however is that cats, like humans, are all different, its amazing the difference in personality there can be between any 2 cats. they can also be as loyal as any dog

id say the reason they dont pick up stray cats would be because its so *bleep* hard, a dog can run, sure, but he cant jump up on the roof of a building, or leap up 6 foot fences in one jump, cats are just harder to catch than dogs, plus once they apprehend a dog, its less likely to be able to scratch the crap out of them and infect them with whatever germs it has

my advice would be to try a cat trap, a cage with food in it that closes once the cats inside, im pretty sure here in aus you can borrow one from the council, but thats probably becase feral cats are a huge problem here

Kazoobie64 · Sep 24, 2008 10:48 PM

Methinks you've never had a dog before.

Fletch_Talon · Sep 24, 2008 11:14 PM

Kazoobie64 wrote:

Methinks you've never had a dog before.

methinks ive had one for a number of years until i left home this year

i never said anything about dogs, i was stating that cats are often every bit as affectionate and loyalwe also own a number of cats, my nan looks after them and every time she goes out somewhere, theyre waiting for her when she gets back, hell they know in advance when she's actually going to get home, i wonder if theyre psychic sometimes, it really is weird

Meepster · Sep 24, 2008 11:19 PM

News on the mission:

My dad has decided the cat wouldn't last till tomorrow, and the Animal Service probably wouldn't keep it alive anyway in the condition it's in, so we're gonna go tonight and keep it on the back porch till it gets stronger. If I can take a photo of Twilight (the name my sister and I agreed to call it if it comes here) I'll post it up~

Taco Godess · Sep 24, 2008 11:20 PM

Okay, THAT is just messed up! I'm a HUGE cat lover. I mean, just because dogs are more popular than cats doesn't mean you have to let the poor things DIE. I always get mad when I hear stuff like this. X(

News on the mission:
My dad has decided the cat wouldn't last till tomorrow, and the Animal Service probably wouldn't keep it alive anyway in the condition it's in, so we're gonna go tonight and keep it on the back porch till it gets stronger. If I can take a photo of Twilight (the name my sister and I agreed to call it if it comes here) I'll post it up~

Woohoo! THE CAT LIVES!

Kazoobie64 · Sep 24, 2008 11:47 PM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

I never said anything about dogs, i was stating that cats are often every bit as affectionate and loyalwe also own a number of cats, my nan looks after them and every time she goes out somewhere, theyre waiting for her when she gets back, hell they know in advance when she's actually going to get home, i wonder if theyre psychic sometimes, it really is weird

Cats can have personality and they can certainly grow fond of you, but so can rats, and horses. (I've had a rat, and I've keep a horse of my own at a ranch I worked at that sadly passed away, [but I often go to visit her offspring] so I would know.) Cats certainly don't have the same mind as dogs do. Dogs grow so affectionate to the point that they'll do anything to please you should they understand. (Note that I'm stating the basic mind frame, and excluding certain breeds that haven't been bred to have this behaviour, such as huskies.) That's why we have police dogs, seeing-eye dogs, dogs in the freaking ARMY. They have evolved into considering you one of their own, cats don't think like this, no matter what you may think.

I'm just stating why dogs are more highly regarded in society, that's all. Yes, it's messed up if an animal shelter refuses to help a cat just because they can, but I am predicting it's because of budget, and in that case, I would understand why they would have such policies. Don't want this? Go into politics and pray we get the president that knows what to do with the economy.

Meepster · Sep 25, 2008 12:13 AM

*returns*

I'm not sure whether the rescue mission is a fail or a success, because the cat didn't really need to be rescued. Turns out it wasn't all that sick.

My dad tried to put the kitty into a cardboard box, but it sprang out and every time my dad'd get near it, the cat would take two steps away. Eventually it just ran from the store altogether, and since it didn't limp or anything, we're assuming it didn't need to be rescued in the first place.

Fletch_Talon · Sep 25, 2008 6:05 AM

Kazoobie64 wrote:

Fletch_Talon wrote:
I never said anything about dogs, i was stating that cats are often every bit as affectionate and loyalwe also own a number of cats, my nan looks after them and every time she goes out somewhere, theyre waiting for her when she gets back, hell they know in advance when she's actually going to get home, i wonder if theyre psychic sometimes, it really is weird
Cats can have personality and they can certainly grow fond of you, but so can rats, and horses. (I've had a rat, and I've keep a horse of my own at a ranch I worked at that sadly passed away, [but I often go to visit her offspring] so I would know.) Cats certainly don't have the same mind as dogs do. Dogs grow so affectionate to the point that they'll do anything to please you should they understand. (Note that I'm stating the basic mind frame, and excluding certain breeds that haven't been bred to have this behaviour, such as huskies.) That's why we have police dogs, seeing-eye dogs, dogs in the freaking ARMY. They have evolved into considering you one of their own, cats don't think like this, no matter what you may think.
I'm just stating why dogs are more highly regarded in society, that's all. Yes, it's messed up if an animal shelter refuses to help a cat just because they can, but I am predicting it's because of budget, and in that case, I would understand why they would have such policies. Don't want this? Go into politics and pray we get the president that knows what to do with the economy.

ive already stated my reasoning behind it, it could be to do with budget but i doubt it has anything to do with why one animal is "better" than another, to my knowledge shelters arent there to "rescue" these animals as much as they are to get them off the street, if someone wants to adopt that puppy so be it if not then its going to be put to sleep

besides which, we arent talking about bloody police dogs/army dogs/ seeing eye dogs or any crap like that, theyre strays, as pets their only purpose is to be companions, a job that despite what you think, is accomplished every bit as well as most cats

so once again heres a sensible reason as opposed to this dogs are better than cats bullcrap
a) theyre harder to catch
b) theyre harder to hold onto (as meepster's dad found out)
c) if a cat has grown up as a stray, then its going to be hard if not impossible to adjust to domestic life, and until it does it can be dangerous

and i cant go without asking how exactly you can tell what dogs think... or cats for that matter, apparently dogs consider us one of their own and cats dont? how do you know this? please share your insight?

also id have to argue that cats not considering us to be "one of their own" is more a testament to their intelligence than anything else, and yet they still show us affection

Kazoobie64 · Sep 25, 2008 12:00 PM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

i doubt it has anything to do with why one animal is "better" than another

SIGH SIGH SIGH

Not better, just more highly regarded. It's the same basic principle as to why in other countries, they'll consider an animal sacred with dire consequences to those that harm it, but they won't have the same beliefs for other animals they still treat as companions.

besides which, we arent talking about bloody police dogs/army dogs/ seeing eye dogs or any crap like that, theyre strays, as pets their only purpose is to be companions, a job that despite what you think, is accomplished every bit as well as most cats

They're strays of the animal that is one and the same, they could be potential loyalty and protection to a human. Otherwise, we wouldn't even help homeless people by providing ambulances, which sadly actually happens in places, and usually it's because of budget and limited space as well.

so once again heres a sensible reason as opposed to this dogs are better than cats bullcrap
a) theyre harder to catch
b) theyre harder to hold onto (as meepster's dad found out)
c) if a cat has grown up as a stray, then its going to be hard if not impossible to adjust to domestic life, and until it does it can be dangerous

That's cool, I never argued against any of this. I just said cats have more street smart. They can more easily survive on the street than dogs can. I never said one is better than the other, and even if I did that would just be my opinion, SURPRISE SURPRISE.

and i cant go without asking how exactly you can tell what dogs think... or cats for that matter, apparently dogs consider us one of their own and cats dont? how do you know this? please share your insight?

Because through years and years of raising cats and dogs, we people have discovered stuff through the means of OBSERVATION. We can't go into their minds, but we can still read them somewhat. Dogs show signs of treating a human like how they treat a pack member or leader of a pack, you can even control whether they can breed or not. Cats, not so much. They'll ignore you and do whatever the hell they want when you're not around to stop them. They probably won't like it very much if you try to follow them around on their nightly outings going "hey guys! what'cha doing? CAN I JOIN IN? HUH? HUH?"

also id have to argue that cats not considering us to be "one of their own" is more a testament to their intelligence than anything else, and yet they still show us affection

Because they grow fond of you, jeez man.

Fletch_Talon · Sep 25, 2008 1:53 PM

Kazoobie64 wrote:

besides which, we arent talking about bloody police dogs/army dogs/ seeing eye dogs or any crap like that, theyre strays, as pets their only purpose is to be companions, a job that despite what you think, is accomplished every bit as well as most cats
They're strays of the animal that is one and the same, they could be potential loyalty and protection to a human. Otherwise, we wouldn't even help homeless people by providing ambulances, which sadly actually happens in places, and usually it's because of budget and limited space as well.

the point i meant to make is that these stray animals arent potentially guide dogs or police dogs or anything because such positions are generally held by a specific breed (labradors and german shepards and stuff) and the dogs that are used are trained from puppies

yes they can provide companionship but so do cats, yes they can be good as guard dogs but then so do geese

also if they really want to save space and money, and really are taking "regard" and "usefulness" why not only bring in the useful breeds of dog, chiuahuas are gone, sure they bark at intruders... and guests... and you... and that lamp... and their shadow...

so once again heres a sensible reason as opposed to this dogs are better than cats bullcrap
a) theyre harder to catch
b) theyre harder to hold onto (as meepster's dad found out)
c) if a cat has grown up as a stray, then its going to be hard if not impossible to adjust to domestic life, and until it does it can be dangerous
That's cool, I never argued against any of this. I just said cats have more street smart. They can more easily survive on the street than dogs can. I never said one is better than the other, and even if I did that would just be my opinion, SURPRISE SURPRISE.

the problem is that youre trying to say that cats arent caught by the shelter because they arent as important or whatever, theres this thing people refer to called occams razor which says that the simplest answer is most often the right one, i would argue that cats requiring more effort and equipment to catch is a simpler answer than theorising about people's regard for a particular species of pet

while we're at it, why dont we say that animal shelters dont catch pet rats because they arent held in as high regard as dogs... as opposed to the more likely reason being that it would be impossible to find one domestic rat amongst thousands of feral ones

and i cant go without asking how exactly you can tell what dogs think... or cats for that matter, apparently dogs consider us one of their own and cats dont? how do you know this? please share your insight?
Because through years and years of raising cats and dogs, we people have discovered stuff through the means of OBSERVATION. We can't go into their minds, but we can still read them somewhat. Dogs show signs of treating a human like how they treat a pack member or leader of a pack, you can even control whether they can breed or not. Cats, not so much. They'll ignore you and do whatever the hell they want when you're not around to stop them. They probably won't like it very much if you try to follow them around on their nightly outings going "hey guys! what'cha doing? CAN I JOIN IN? HUH? HUH?"

now lets consider it this way, i can think of one breed of wild cat that is a pack animal (lions) there may be more, but as far as i can recall they are primarily solitary animals

now you claimed before that i mustnt have owned a dog in my life... im starting to wonder the same regarding you and cats, there honestly isnt that huge amount of difference between cats and dogs as far as personality goes, they both love the people who care for them whilst acting aggresively/timidly/affectionately towards people they dont know

you do realise that dogs dont just stay near their owner and their home because they want to, the fence that most dog owners possess has a ittle something to do with it, leave a gate open and a dog will often wander, but like a cat, they return

a cat doesnt protect their owner from intruders, but then i dont think we should hold it against them since theyre smaller and cant achieve much... in saying that my family owns a cat that is very territorial, someone was walking a rottweiler past our yard and i think it got a bit too close cuz there was an altercation, and for the record whilst i didnt see who started it the dog was the one backing off and whining

also id have to argue that cats not considering us to be "one of their own" is more a testament to their intelligence than anything else, and yet they still show us affection
Because they grow fond of you, jeez man.

and how is that different to dogs, geeze, you seem to be implying that dogs love people on some level beyond what cats do, but i havnt seen it, now i admit, ive had more cats than dogs, but thats why im arguing over this, youre claiming things which in my experience with cats is not based in facts, its like racism against cats lol, youre just stating common stereotypes about them

Kazoobie64 · Sep 25, 2008 8:30 PM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

the point i meant to make is that these stray animals arent potentially guide dogs or police dogs or anything because such positions are generally held by a specific breed (labradors and german shepards and stuff) and the dogs that are used are trained from puppies

And the point I was trying to make by pointing out what dogs can do was to AGAIN point out why they are more highly regarded and respected by our community. You don't even need that much of a specific breed to have dogs for a certain purpose, such as picking things up for the handicapped at home or helping a lazy person get active. (Lord knows how many times my doctor has told me "go running with your dog. You have a dog, right?") They have helped society and that itself is why they are in such high regard.

Also, I didn't want to have to bring up basic biology, because for some reason when I'm in one of these "dogs vs. cats" debates that I try to avoid because they are so STUPID, every time I bring up biological studies cat lovers get offended.

Dogs are considered smarter than cats because their brain and way of thinking is closer to that of a human than cats' brains are. (The dolphin would be at the top of this list) They also have a bigger mass. I understand that intelligence can be defined in different ways, but because a dog thinks closer to a human we consider them as a "man's best friend" sort of thing, we respect them as familial like they do us, that's why they're more highly regarded. Dispute this all you want, but I'm not listening to anyone that ignores the facts.

It's also too bad because pigs are extremely smart, more so than dogs, but they are killed for their meat. I really wish this wouldn't happen but people just love their pork. They also eat dogs and cats in other countries, so I suppose it wouldn't be fair for us to complain when we have killed more intelligent animals.

yes they can provide companionship but so do cats, yes they can be good as guard dogs but then so do geese

Grasping at straws?

also if they really want to save space and money, and really are taking "regard" and "usefulness" why not only bring in the useful breeds of dog, chiuahuas are gone, sure they bark at intruders... and guests... and you... and that lamp... and their shadow...

Not talking about that, but go ask if you're so curious.

the problem is that youre trying to say that cats arent caught by the shelter because they arent as important or whatever, theres this thing people refer to called occams razor which says that the simplest answer is most often the right one, i would argue that cats requiring more effort and equipment to catch is a simpler answer than theorising about people's regard for a particular species of pet
while we're at it, why dont we say that animal shelters dont catch pet rats because they arent held in as high regard as dogs... as opposed to the more likely reason being that it would be impossible to find one domestic rat amongst thousands of feral ones

Look man, it's just a theory I made FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE. I am the biggest animal rights activist you will ever meet, I don't eat any meat besides seafood, I am part of an organization called AARF. I MYSELF have gone to shelters to research why they are so ineffective and believe it or not there ARE shelters out there that have no choice because they are indeed low on budget. I have complained about the mistreating of cats myself, and some poor guys at shelters had to explain to me why they have to make the choices that they do. (Sometimes they will go get the cat if the situation is very dire, but I can understand why a situation like Meepster's didn't sound too alarming to warrant a pick-up.) Like I said, it's like a doctor that only has one anecdote and must choose what to save from poisoning. (Granted, I'd rather save a cat that has been a companion to an elder than a dangerous pitbull who is beyond obedience training.)

If that theory bothers you so much do you want me to pick a new one? Or do you want to ask Meepster to go and find out why they have those policies so we would stop speculating? Jesus christ.

now lets consider it this way, i can think of one breed of wild cat that is a pack animal (lions) there may be more, but as far as i can recall they are primarily solitary animals

Exactly. They are supposed to be independent, dogs are extremely dependent on humans. This is why they are highly regarded as being closer to the human species. I don't know why this is so hard to understand for you.

now you claimed before that i mustnt have owned a dog in my life... im starting to wonder the same regarding you and cats, there honestly isnt that huge amount of difference between cats and dogs as far as personality goes, they both love the people who care for them whilst acting aggresively/timidly/affectionately towards people they dont know

Yes there is and no they don't. How many times do I have to say "they grow fond of you?"

I grew up with a cat that still resides at my parents' place, I have worked with lots of cats at the ranch I used to work at to keep my horse there, my friend owns a cat, (although it belongs to his roommate and it's kind of mean unless it's in heat) and my friend that lives in New York who I stay with when I visit has a bunch of cats in her apartment that just love to wake me up and purr in my ear when I'm sleeping on the couch and then for some reason be timid towards me the next morning.

I've owned a cat, and while she was adorable, loved to sit on my lap among other things and I loved her to death, she didn't feel the same way about me. Sure cats can rub up on you and purr, but in the end, how do you know it's not just because they like being petted, and not necessarily because they want to show affection to you?

you do realise that dogs dont just stay near their owner and their home because they want to, the fence that most dog owners possess has a ittle something to do with it, leave a gate open and a dog will often wander, but like a cat, they return

Really now? Do you want me to film how I leave my door wide open all the time to bring in groceries or go take out the garbage and my three dogs all stay put and wait by the door, and if they do go outside, they'll take a few steps on the front porch just to see what I'm doing, then go back inside when they know I'm coming back?

a cat doesnt protect their owner from intruders, but then i dont think we should hold it against them since theyre smaller and cant achieve much...

Or, maybe they don't care enough?

in saying that my family owns a cat that is very territorial, someone was walking a rottweiler past our yard and i think it got a bit too close cuz there was an altercation, and for the record whilst i didnt see who started it the dog was the one backing off and whining

Maybe the cat was threatened? Wait what does any of this even have to do with human emotions?

and how is that different to dogs, geeze, you seem to be implying that dogs love people on some level beyond what cats do

Because if they are raised right, they do. See: symbiosis. We share it with dogs, but NOT cats. Prove to me that humans share symbiosis with cats and maybe I'll reconsider, though you would become a scientific research genius.

...but i havnt seen it, now i admit, ive had more cats than dogs, but thats why im arguing over this, youre claiming things which in my experience with cats is not based in facts, its like racism against cats lol, youre just stating common stereotypes about them

And how is this different with what you're clamoring about dogs? I think the fact that you've just said "dogs COULD love more than cats but I haven't seen it so I'm going to make baseless assumptions!" is a lot more hypocritical than the things I'm saying, which is just trying to explain to you why dogs are more respected in our union than cats, but you keep ignoring the point.

Anyway, you got me all wrong. I love cats. If I had more room and money I would certainly get a bunch of cats. I love tigers more than I love wolves. But, I am aware that they are completely independent and not as affectionate as dogs. However, THAT is the reason why I like cats. I love their attitude, and I love how elegant they are. I am aware that they make the better pet because they are cleaner and easier to take care of, but with my experience, dogs have always made the better friend. That doesn't stop me from loving cats all the same.

ontels · Sep 25, 2008 9:46 PM

Meepster wrote:

*returns*
I'm not sure whether the rescue mission is a fail or a success, because the cat didn't really need to be rescued. Turns out it wasn't all that sick.
My dad tried to put the kitty into a cardboard box, but it sprang out and every time my dad'd get near it, the cat would take two steps away. Eventually it just ran from the store altogether, and since it didn't limp or anything, we're assuming it didn't need to be rescued in the first place.

I bet that was embarassing lol big_smile

Meepster · Sep 25, 2008 9:51 PM

It was pretty hilarious; I wish I'd caught it on tape or something.

Fletch_Talon · Sep 26, 2008 1:02 AM

Kazoobie64 wrote:

And the point I was trying to make by pointing out what dogs can do was to AGAIN point out why they are more highly regarded and respected by our community. You don't even need that much of a specific breed to have dogs for a certain purpose, such as picking things up for the handicapped at home or helping a lazy person get active. (Lord knows how many times my doctor has told me "go running with your dog. You have a dog, right?") They have helped society and that itself is why they are in such high regard.

and now dogs are the cure for obesity, wow, this is really getting interesting, whats next? they going to end global warming?

Also, I didn't want to have to bring up basic biology, because for some reason when I'm in one of these "dogs vs. cats" debates that I try to avoid because they are so STUPID, every time I bring up biological studies cat lovers get offended.
Dogs are considered smarter than cats because their brain and way of thinking is closer to that of a human than cats' brains are. (The dolphin would be at the top of this list) They also have a bigger mass. I understand that intelligence can be defined in different ways, but because a dog thinks closer to a human we consider them as a "man's best friend" sort of thing, we respect them as familial like they do us, that's why they're more highly regarded. Dispute this all you want, but I'm not listening to anyone that ignores the facts.
It's also too bad because pigs are extremely smart, more so than dogs, but they are killed for their meat. I really wish this wouldn't happen but people just love their pork. They also eat dogs and cats in other countries, so I suppose it wouldn't be fair for us to complain when we have killed more intelligent animals.

youve kinda just backed yourself into a corner there... apparently everyone cares more about dogs because theyre more intelligent, but pigs are even more intelligent and yet we slaughter them, also the number of people that keep pigs as pets are relatively few

oh and ever heard the whole "size doesnt matter its how you use it" thing, its quite possible that applies here, especially since as i stated at the start of this argument both cats and dogs have endured through generation after generation of inbreeding (though this is likely more prominent in purebreds)

yes they can provide companionship but so do cats, yes they can be good as guard dogs but then so do geese
Grasping at straws?

how so? there are animals that do the same jobs that dogs do, in some cases probably better, but we dont have shelters going out and rescuing them, now i cant call this a fact, but im pretty confident when i say the majority of people dont give a rats *bleep* whether dogs have a brain closer to humans, most people choose a pet based on numerous criteria, none of which involve "i hold this in higher regard" its more likely to involve space, money, and whether you prefer something that requires frequent play/excercise or something that maintains itself, also the stereotypes can come into play such as "all cats are snobs" or "all dogs are stupid"

also if they really want to save space and money, and really are taking "regard" and "usefulness" why not only bring in the useful breeds of dog, chiuahuas are gone, sure they bark at intruders... and guests... and you... and that lamp... and their shadow...
Not talking about that, but go ask if you're so curious.

but you are talking about it, you say theyre short on space and money, so why not leave space for the usefull dogs, those laso apsus (or whatever its called) are pretty useless (though adorable as all buggery)

Look man, it's just a theory I made FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE. I am the biggest animal rights activist you will ever meet, I don't eat any meat besides seafood, I am part of an organization called AARF. I MYSELF have gone to shelters to research why they are so ineffective and believe it or not there ARE shelters out there that have no choice because they are indeed low on budget. I have complained about the mistreating of cats myself, and some poor guys at shelters had to explain to me why they have to make the choices that they do. (Sometimes they will go get the cat if the situation is very dire, but I can understand why a situation like Meepster's didn't sound too alarming to warrant a pick-up.) Like I said, it's like a doctor that only has one anecdote and must choose what to save from poisoning. (Granted, I'd rather save a cat that has been a companion to an elder than a dangerous pitbull who is beyond obedience training.)
If that theory bothers you so much do you want me to pick a new one? Or do you want to ask Meepster to go and find out why they have those policies so we would stop speculating? Jesus christ.

itd be nice if your theory didnt imply that one creature is any better than the other, or that one is held in higher regard by a nation as a whole, thats like saying every american preferred george bush for president, despite the fact he only got in due to a majority not a unanimous vote

im sure there are plenty of people who believe cats to be inferior, but id say just as many would claim the same regarding dogs, there are cat lovers and there are dog lovers and there are people like myself, and apparently you as well, who like both

Exactly. They are supposed to be independent, dogs are extremely dependent on humans. This is why they are highly regarded as being closer to the human species. I don't know why this is so hard to understand for you.

im wondering why you cant seem to grasp the fact that cats can be as close to a human as any dog, just because you havnt seen it doesnt mean it doesnt exist, the simple fact that they stay with us despite being solitary animals shows a little something

Yes there is and no they don't. How many times do I have to say "they grow fond of you?"
Sure cats can rub up on you and purr, but in the end, how do you know it's not just because they like being petted, and not necessarily because they want to show affection to you?

how do you know any animal that is kept as a pet by humans doesnt just stick around or show affection because they know that you can bring them food

we cant read animal minds but since we assume dogs show affection because they love us why can we not also give cats the benefit of the doubt

you keep bringing up the "grow fond of you" argument... what is your point... are you saying that cats can learn to love people whereas dogs just do... id have to call *bleep* on that

Really now? Do you want me to film how I leave my door wide open all the time to bring in groceries or go take out the garbage and my three dogs all stay put and wait by the door, and if they do go outside, they'll take a few steps on the front porch just to see what I'm doing, then go back inside when they know I'm coming back?

wow so your indoor dogs, that see the door open every now and then for short periods of time dont leave the house, good for them

now how about we consider dogs that live in a yard and are fenced in... is the fence put up because it looks pretty... no, i know as a fact thats right a FACT that dogs like to wander, yes they usually return home afterwards, but so do cats

Or, maybe they don't care enough?

and maybe dogs protect your property because they consider it their territory, once again, why dont we stop trying to read animals minds, ive often considered that cats might have ESP but thusfar theres been no luck in contacting them mentally

in saying that my family owns a cat that is very territorial, someone was walking a rottweiler past our yard and i think it got a bit too close cuz there was an altercation, and for the record whilst i didnt see who started it the dog was the one backing off and whining
Maybe the cat was threatened? Wait what does any of this even have to do with human emotions?

i was just saying that dogs arent the only ones who protect their owners, yet again i cant prove that it wasnt a matter of feeling threatened or territorial but neither can you prove that a dog doesnt feel the same

and how is that different to dogs, geeze, you seem to be implying that dogs love people on some level beyond what cats do
Because if they are raised right, they do. See: symbiosis. We share it with dogs, but NOT cats. Prove to me that humans share symbiosis with cats and maybe I'll reconsider, though you would become a scientific research genius.

or maybe i could just remind you that cats cant offer as much physically as dogs, they cant pull us along if we cant see, and as far as i know nobody has tried training cats for much

however cats give what they are able to, whenever my nan is sick you walk into her house and theres invariably one or more cats sitting on the edge of her bed, and the others often come in to say hello (not literally, im aware cats cant speak human)

...but i havnt seen it, now i admit, ive had more cats than dogs, but thats why im arguing over this, youre claiming things which in my experience with cats is not based in facts, its like racism against cats lol, youre just stating common stereotypes about them
And how is this different with what you're clamoring about dogs? I think the fact that you've just said "dogs COULD love more than cats but I haven't seen it so I'm going to make baseless assumptions!" is a lot more hypocritical than the things I'm saying, which is just trying to explain to you why dogs are more respected in our union than cats, but you keep ignoring the point.

im not clamoring anything about dogs, im promoting equality, i never once claimed dogs are less respected, less loved, less useful than cats, they both have a place in society, and for you to say that one is more respected than another is equivalent to saying one is better than the other, i could say apples are better than lemons, and whilst apples may potentially be used in more different foods, lemons have their uses and to get rid of any of them would be silly

basically it seems to be a case of experience, yes youve had experience with cats, but it doesnt seem to match up with mine, i couldnt imagine choosing between a cat and a dog if one were to die, obviously id have to but i wouldnt know my decision until im there, there would be a lot of considerations to take in and i can guarantee you, their regard would not be one

also i do know of one job which a cat has accomplished which i havnt heard of in the dog world, thats not to say they couldnt do it, or that they havnt, but ive never heard of it, there was a cat in a nursing home andit seemed to be able to predict the death of residents, a couple of hours before someone passed away (even though nurses werent aware of when they would pass) this cat would go and lie with them, which family members described as comforting

kinda enforces the whole "cats are psychic" thing, maybe those egyptians had the right idea

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