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Adam Thurman · Sep 07, 2008 1:40 AM

Reporting abuse or ratting some one out seems like tattling to me. I have been given a real hard time in the past why i should not tattle on someone even if they have hurt me. It seems that my points of veiw is almost always controversial and i just cant seem to keep people from giving me a hard time about it.

My religious discussions started because i thought it would be fun to relate the Spyro game to the bible however it seems hardly anyone knows how to stay away from people they hate. If they don't like the point of view or subject being discussed why don't they go chat somewhere else?

Several times its been me and my points of view that made people aggravated. I am stuck on a level and going to try playing again real soon and seeing if i can beet the second game Spyro the new beginning but that still leaves me open for being given every reason why i should not be here. What am i doing wrong? Please don't be harsh with me.

Aicebo · Sep 07, 2008 2:20 AM

Adam Thurman wrote:

My religious discussions started because i thought it would be fun to relate the Spyro game to the bible however it seems hardly anyone knows how to stay away from people they hate. If they don't like the point of view or subject being discussed why don't they go chat somewhere else?

Some people like to get their point across on what they think about things. They have every right to post where they want, just like you and any other member.

John Man 1234 · Sep 07, 2008 2:34 AM

Aye Aicebo if they want to say what they feel there is nothing wrong with that.

Stormy · Sep 07, 2008 2:50 AM

Aicebo wrote:

Adam Thurman wrote:
My religious discussions started because i thought it would be fun to relate the Spyro game to the bible however it seems hardly anyone knows how to stay away from people they hate. If they don't like the point of view or subject being discussed why don't they go chat somewhere else?
Some people like to get their point across on what they think about things. They have every right to post where they want, just like you and any other member.

Except when their posts get to be like this:

id like to thank you for voicing your opinion no matter how contraversial, but its just so ignorant that the world would be a better place without people like you
i try to keep away from the belief that christian = bad but comments like this just make it too hard
*bleep* bigot

Now, I know he's just expressing his opinion, but seriously, does he have to be so rude about it? I think that's what Adam is talking about.

Kazoobie64 · Sep 07, 2008 2:56 AM

The reason I try to stay away from religious discussion is because it usually turns into people trying to change other people's opinions, which also usually ends up offending several of the debaters. Personally, I have never had a single enjoyable discussion with a christian, because no matter what I do, they end up getting offended with what I say. It was my mistake though, to bring up science into a discussion, which is apparently the worst enemy of religion. From that, I just learned to stay away from religious debates all together, because science is what I confide in, and it's just pointless to bring it up to those that don't because we just go around in circles expressing opinions that won't change anything.

I've never had a problem with you, but I don't know if you're guilty or not, Adam. I mean, if people with differing beliefs from you walk into a discussion, it's ok for you to try to explain and introduce christianity to them, but if they refuse and stick by their own beliefs, you shouldn't keep pushing them. Again, I don't know whether you're guilty of this or not, but from what I've heard, (since I don't really want to head into the religion topic and read everything) this might be a possibility. And likewise, I don't think people debating against you should be shoving their beliefs down your throat either, nor should they be touchy about you expressing your beliefs nicely when they are clearly heading into a religious topic and should be expecting it.

Fletch_Talon · Sep 07, 2008 7:01 AM

id like to explain why i got so upset over this particular issue

the general consensus seem to be that as long as you dont preach at people or act in a way that shows a lack of respect for a person, then you arent doing any harm

so i ask this question of people, why then, are homosexuals given such a hard time nowadays?

in ancient greece, it was common for men to be engaged in homosexual relationships, and the term lesbian comes from the isle of lesbos where the women had a festival once a year where the men were not allowed (so im guessing they may have used their imaginations to think up what was going on)

and yet at some point homosexuality became something to be ashamed of, something people have been beaten to death for, denied rights because of.

the reason is religion, our government is influenced by christianity, and therefore, what christianity believes is wrong, is what the government is often going to think is wrong

now obviously one person isnt going to influence an entire religion, but nonetheless there are people who deem themselves christian, who believe homosexual people deserve the same rights as everyone else, whether in the eyes of the law, or the eyes of god, if more people would think this way then we'd be ever so much closer to a solution

also, i wouldnt have so much of a problem with this issue, if there was any reason to actually think that homosexuality, or (the act of homosexual sex as the case may be) is a sin
but as it stands these are the reasons ive heard thusfar

1.its unnatural
2.the bible says its wrong
3.its a choice they make

now, saying being homosexual is unnatural is like saying mental illness is unnatural, youre born with it, you dont have a choice in the matter, how is that not natural, as for their method of sex being unnatural, so is shaving, cutting your hair, trimming your nails, applying make up, wearing glasses... i could go on, the fact is, that none of these things do harm to anyone

the bible says is a stupid argument, the bible does contradict itself in places, most prominently in regards to old testament vs new, in the old testament we have a vengeful bully for a god (hey abraham, cut off your foreskin, cuz i said so) in the new testament, it seems to be all about how god has mellowed out and loves everyone

in fact jesus supposedly taught us to "love they neighbour" and i dont care how often you say "i have a gay friend" the fact is you think what theyre doing is evil (or sinful if youd prefer) and that theyre gonna go to a bad place unless they stop... thats not love, nor is it respect)

as for it being a choice, we already know being homosexual isnt, as for having sex with a member of the same sex, well yeah, i guess they could be celibate, so could you, but very few people are going to choose not to do what makes them happy, and provided what makes them happy isnt going to hurt someone else (obviously if someone enjoys killing people its not really going to be "alright") why shouldnt they be allowed to

ive already made the comparison of prejudice due to sexual orientation, to racism, itd really make me feel sick if you can honestly say that you wouldnt be every bit as upset as i was, if someone came here and said "all black people are going to hell" we dont accept racism in our society because we know its disgusting and wrong, and it doesnt matter if theyre racist and keep it to themselves or if they openly harrass black people, its just as bad

finally there is one other reason i can think of that christianity might have for their beliefs, wasted sperm...
that seems to be their reasoning for being anti-contraception, anti-*bleep*, and to some extent anti-abortion too, they believe that every sperm is a potential human life and so if its used in anything but sex with intention of conception (rhyme lol)

thats all good and well, but it ignores the fact (which they likely didnt know when such beliefs were formed) that sperm is constantly dying and being replenished, regardless of how you "use it" youre going to "lose it" anyway, so once again this argument has very little (almost no) validity

i dont regret the way i spoke to the people involved, i still believe that anyone who thinks that way about someone who has never hurt anyone, is wrong on such a great level that it disgusts me, i might be swayed towards being apologetic however if anyone can provide me with a reason why exactly homosexuals should go to hell for being whp they are

and please, please, please make it a valid one

Spyrorocks · Sep 07, 2008 4:43 PM

You continue to carry on the argument, and leek it into other threads.

Just drop it already.

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