Born again christian

Adam Thurman · Sep 02, 2008 9:08 PM

There is two types of Christian believe it or not. One is the belief of being chastised as a baby and the other is born again where you accept Jesus into your heart. I am myself a born again Christian. Then there is the categorization of all the bible translations going from Catholic all the way to baptists.

I am open to learn other religions as long as you are open to my religion. Personally I think this is necessary for discussing religion any way. If you have a joke go ahead and say it but please do not say anything against religion unless you have a point. Like if you believe that Christianity is the hardest religion to endure. To prove your point give an example or an instance like the ten commandments. The ten commandments make it hard because they are the ten sins that the human race often struggle with. Not counting the ultimate sin which I will discuss further when it comes time. A good example would be lying. In many cases it would be easier to lie than to tell the truth.

If there is anyone who has a personal question that they need an answer feel free to pm me. I am here for anyone who needs me. I will even talk to anyone who needs some one to talk to. I keep all my pm's secret unless they ask me to bring it up on this thread. However I will not tell anyone what is being discussed in my private messages.

There is a real good chance that Razz will be watching this thread. However i think it would be nice if she could tell us what exactly she beliefs in. It would be better if she told you rather than me but thats up to her.

SpyroandCynder4EVAH · Sep 02, 2008 9:09 PM

Mine is also born again. It took me till I was 7 to accept Him.

A Guy · Sep 02, 2008 9:24 PM

I am a born again as well.

Adam Thurman · Sep 02, 2008 9:52 PM

That is good thing that you accept him. Do not feel down on yourself if you were older than five when you have accepted Jesus as your lord and savior. I think that people should really think about what it is before they become Christian. Thats why I say that it is hard to be Christian. I tell them that even if it is hard to be Christian that it is well worth it. Sin Leeds to its own painful situations.

If people come to see that God is here to help us then he will let us be the people that we want to be. Being Christian is not just about praising God all day. Being Christian is believing that Jesus died for us to be able to come to God. I am not sure if I can persuade any non-believer on this forum to become Christian since i have screwed up at it and ended up having to tell a moderator that some one wont let it go.

Having said this most may not even post a thing but there is still something I can do here that will benefit the forum. I think that this thread would do well to discuss the issues they are dealing with. Like I said Being Christian is hard but if we can discuss our feelings we can let ourselves be happy. God said through the bible that there is a time for everything. There is a time to cry, there is a time to laugh, and so on.

Aicebo · Sep 02, 2008 10:10 PM

Not everyone here is going to be a Christian.
I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but it seems to me that your religion is one of the only things you really want to talk about, and it's starting to bug me a little bit.
Please keep all the religious stuff for the religion thread, please.

Stormy · Sep 02, 2008 10:22 PM

[sub]I think it's fine for him to have a thread about this, Aicebo. He's not saying everyone is a Christian; it just applies to people who are. You don't have to respond if the thread annoys you.

Anyway, I've been Catholic all my life. [/sub]

A Guy · Sep 02, 2008 10:50 PM

Aicebo wrote:

I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but it seems to me that your religion is one of the only things you really want to talk about, and it's starting to bug me a little bit.

And what is wrong with wanting to talk about a certain subject? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that "Oh, god, this topic sucks, you shouldn't talk about it because I personally don't like it!"

John Man 1234 · Sep 02, 2008 11:17 PM

Been Catholic forever and I'm happy about it.

Adam Thurman · Sep 02, 2008 11:23 PM

This will be interesting. I think we can still discuss religion here even if there are a few who dont like it. I think this time i can take a little criticism unless some one gets annoyed by it then i would ignore that person. I am choosing to go about this a little more mature seeing that I have been a little negative myself lately.

Aicebo you do have a good point but they are talking about the church of Satan and I really don't want to get caught up in that especially since I almost lost my own faith when I researched the background of it. I hope you don't take offense to that. You are a moderator after all and you are just trying to keep the forum organized.

I see that something happened between you and Fletch, I really hope it was not me but to tell you the truth he did that to himself. You did ask me to let it go and I did. Look at it this way, the only way that i am able to let something go that happened over the Internet is to laugh about it. I look at the outcome instead of what happened and i see that ma be a side of Fletch that no one knew has shown that may be he was just not meant to be listened to. He had all these opinions but he did not know when to keep his opinion to himself. In a way i saw that i have the same problem. I but into other peoples conversations and often forget that it is better to wait for a proper time to say hello.

RaidonMakoto · Sep 03, 2008 1:11 AM

Adam Thurman wrote:

This will be interesting. I think we can still discuss religion here even if there are a few who dont like it. I think this time i can take a little criticism unless some one gets annoyed by it then i would ignore that person. I am choosing to go about this a little more mature seeing that I have been a little negative myself lately.
Aicebo you do have a good point but they are talking about the church of Satan and I really don't want to get caught up in that especially since I almost lost my own faith when I researched the background of it. I hope you don't take offense to that. You are a moderator after all and you are just trying to keep the forum organized.
I see that something happened between you and Fletch, I really hope it was not me but to tell you the truth he did that to himself. You did ask me to let it go and I did. Look at it this way, the only way that i am able to let something go that happened over the Internet is to laugh about it. I look at the outcome instead of what happened and i see that ma be a side of Fletch that no one knew has shown that may be he was just not meant to be listened to. He had all these opinions but he did not know when to keep his opinion to himself. In a way i saw that i have the same problem. I but into other peoples conversations and often forget that it is better to wait for a proper time to say hello.

May I ask how you 'almost lost your faith' when researching Satanism?

Let me tell you the first thing about Satanism which everyone should know. That thing is that it has nothing to do with Satan. The theory behind this religion is "If you're going to be a sinner, be the best *bleep* sinner you can be." While appealing, I'm not especially excited with associating myself with that.

I'll keep my nose out of the rest of the Christian talk, since losing my mod position would suck. tongue

Fletch_Talon · Sep 03, 2008 1:21 AM

Adam Thurman wrote:

1.I see that something happened between you and Fletch, I really hope it was not me but to tell you the truth he did that to himself.
2.You did ask me to let it go and I did. I look at the outcome instead of what happened and i see that ma be a side of Fletch that no one knew
3.has shown that may be he was just not meant to be listened to.
4.He had all these opinions but he did not know when to keep his opinion to himself.
5.In a way i saw that i have the same problem. I but into other peoples conversations and often forget that it is better to wait for a proper time to say hello.

1. im curious to know exactly what it is thats happened between Aicebo and myself... even more curious is why i seem to be the last to find out...

2. funny you say this and yet [see 4.]

3. since youre the person here who cant stop talking about religion and who originally couldnt stop himself from trying to convert non-believers (thanks for stopping that btw), and who believes that young children should be allowed to enjoy a relationship regardless of the sexual nature of their discussions

i would have to argue that youre the one who people should stop listening to, not that i will however, i feel everyone has the right to be heard, some people just need to learn that when you voice an opinion if someone disagrees they have every right to say so

4. opinions are what make us who we are, sure we all look pretty different, but take away our physical differences and all you have are beliefs and opinions, so one minute youre saying theres a side of me people havnt seen, and yet ive been voicing my opinions consistantly since before you signed up for this place

5. that would make you a hypocrite
judge not lest ye be judged
let he who is without sin cast the first stone
(something like that)
now i dont personally believe in either of those things, but you do (or should) and yet here you are claiming i should keep opinions to myself and not be listened to if i dont

or does your christianity absolve you of all sins?

A Guy · Sep 03, 2008 1:24 AM

Why does everyone expect Christians to be perfect? We are still humans, and though we have beliefs, we are still humans.

Stormy · Sep 03, 2008 1:24 AM

[sub]Fletch: OK, that last comment was quite unnecessary. -__-

Thank you, A Guy. Just because we have a system of beliefs doesn't mean we're always perfect about following them. No need to start flaming because of it.[/sub]

RaidonMakoto · Sep 03, 2008 1:31 AM

A Guy wrote:

Why does everyone expect Christians to be perfect? We are still humans, and though we have beliefs, we are still humans.

The Christians with the "Holier than thou" attitude, pretty much.

A Guy · Sep 03, 2008 1:32 AM

Wait... is the old Raidon still in there?!

Aicebo · Sep 03, 2008 1:34 AM

A Guy wrote:

Why does everyone expect Christians to be perfect? We are still humans, and though we have beliefs, we are still humans.

Well, I can understand what Fletch means. There are SOME Christians that like to brag about their religion, and seem arrogant because of it. I know that not all Christians are like that, but I've seen a few, and it makes me a little angry. I know that I shouldn't judge all Christians to be like that, but that's just the way I see a lot of them. I don't try to bash them, though.

Fletch_Talon · Sep 03, 2008 1:37 AM

Stormy wrote:

[sub]Fletch: OK, that last comment was quite unnecessary. -__-
Thank you, A Guy. Just because we have a system of beliefs doesn't mean we're always perfect about following them. No need to start flaming because of it.[/sub]

what can i say, i get *bleep*ed off when Adam opens his mouth, let alone when he uses it to say that i dont deserve to be listened to.

the final comment was not a stab at christians in general its a stab at adam for being a hypocrite, he said he's guilty of the same things i am, and yet he still feels its ok to tell people that im not allowed to voice my opinions

if youre guilty of sinning and you tell someone theyre wrong cuz theyre stabbing someone or stealing someones car or something thats fine, but if youre driving your stolen car and tell someone off for stealing a car, then youre a hypocrite

Stormy · Sep 03, 2008 1:38 AM

[sub]Aicebo: Oh, yeah, then I understand. That really annoys me. You don't see me that way, do you? D=

Fletch: OK, my mistake then. It seemed like you were trying to... bash everyone in this thread.[/sub]

Fletch_Talon · Sep 03, 2008 1:40 AM

Stormy wrote:

[sub]Oh, yeah, then I understand. I totally agree; it makes me angry too. You don't see me that way, do you? D=
Still, that's no reason for Fletch to bash people.[/sub]

i think i have every right to bash adam, and thats all that was intended, i dont consider christians as a whole to be hypocrites i do disagree with a number of your beliefs but as long as you dont expect perfection from others, i dont expect perfection of you

Aicebo · Sep 03, 2008 1:42 AM

Stormy wrote:

[sub]Aicebo: Oh, yeah, then I understand. That really annoys me. You don't see me that way, do you? D=[/sub]

No, I don't see all Christians like that, not you, either.
Some really annoy me with that, though, and I'm thinking that's what Fletch meant in that one sentence.

RaidonMakoto · Sep 03, 2008 1:52 AM

A Guy wrote:

Wait... is the old Raidon still in there?!

The old Raidon isn't dead. I just value this mod position more than a few lulz from trolling you guys.

A Guy · Sep 03, 2008 1:54 AM

What have you done to the real Raidon?! TALK!

Okay, that aside, as long as we are all humans, we will all make mistakes, and we'll all do bad things (even those of us that are Christian.)

Adam Thurman · Sep 03, 2008 1:55 AM

Some of the stuff i read talked about how magic is real. I myself Think it is very real but not in the way everyone thinks. People think they can throw together a bunch of ingredients and call it a spell but it just sits there. Now let me get to my point. The occult often do things to worship Satan. I am easily confused what the difference is between the occult, devil worship, and the satanic church.

Magic is real but it has to do with our feelings and is a very strong paranormal. We can be easily manipulated by our emotions. People do it every day. Lets say Satan is real and is able to manipulate us if we let him. Now what i am trying to get at here is that many people believe that Satan is not a bad devil that every one thinks. What do they do? They turn toward him and get taken over by him.

Or how about the belief in ghosts. No one can prove they are real neither can they prove they are not real. It is after a fifty fifty chance that they are real. There are people who let their body be open to them and then end up getting taken over by their own fault. What is it worth to give over your life to these ghosts and end up being controlled by them with no benefit for you. What do they have to offer you except pain and misery.

God has the truth and we are free in him. We have the free will the whole time we are Christian and he leaves it up to us to either stay true to our belief or let our own feelings make our decisions for us. What is it worth to always give in to how you feel and end up doing something that can harm you?

Some one offers you a cigarette and the only way that you can feel accepted is that you take it and get high. Here is another instance your girlfriend or boy friend asks you to do something that would be enjoyable but in the end you get a disease. True there is nothing wrong with these feelings and it is also true that your feelings can lead you away from danger but they don't always work like that. You decide that you want to know what kissing your girlfriend would be like. You start kissing her and slowly you get taken over by the strong emotions in your heart. Further and further you go and then there is no turning back and you go all the way.

Is it not one of the rules to the church of Satan that you should let your feelings guide you instead of what is in your heart? What you know is right is not what you do. Instead you do things that make you feel better. You get into a fight after school and prove nothing other than the fact that your stronger than the other person. The argument that started all this has gone into a pointless activity that involves causing damage to the other person just because it makes you feel better to see them suffer. Are you not turning into your worst enemy? Fights break out all over school just because they did something to you that has hurt you emotionally. Let me ask you is this really how you want to live. Knife and other weapons are brought to school undetected until some one gets seriously injured. What life is it that you want to pursue your dreams but all you seem to do is let you emotions take you away from your accomplishments. Which would you rather have a great accomplishment that you worked hard on or let your feelings take you where you never wanted to be? This is where I got lost.

Fletch_Talon · Sep 03, 2008 1:57 AM

A Guy wrote:

What have you done to the real Raidon?! TALK!

youre one to talk :-P

Okay, that aside, as long as we are all humans, we will all make mistakes, and we'll all do bad things (even those of us that are Christian.)

agreed wholeheartedly

Fletch_Talon · Sep 03, 2008 2:16 AM

Adam Thurman wrote:

Some of the stuff i read talked about how magic is real. I myself Think it is very real but not in the way everyone thinks. People think they can throw together a bunch of ingredients and call it a spell but it just sits there. Now let me get to my point. The occult often do things to worship Satan. I am easily confused what the difference is between the occult, devil worship, and the satanic church.

magic does not = devil worship, thats an ancient christian view which came about because the pagan religions that christianity was stamping out believed in magic

satanism, and the church of satan does not necessarily promote belief in satan, its simply a set of morals and beliefs which contradict certain christian beliefs

Magic is real but it has to do with our feelings and is a very strong paranormal. We can be easily manipulated by our emotions. People do it every day. Lets say Satan is real and is able to manipulate us if we let him. Now what i am trying to get at here is that many people believe that Satan is not a bad devil that every one thinks. What do they do? They turn toward him and get taken over by him.

ive always been confused by why satan punishes bad people in hell, if hes evil, it kinda gives me the image of satan being god's prison guard/torturer/executioner

Or how about the belief in ghosts. No one can prove they are real neither can they prove they are not real. It is after a fifty fifty chance that they are real. There are people who let their body be open to them and then end up getting taken over by their own fault. What is it worth to give over your life to these ghosts and end up being controlled by them with no benefit for you. What do they have to offer you except pain and misery.

this is the one i really wanted to reply to, so here goes

"Or how about the belief in God. No one can prove he is real neither can they prove he is not real"

but then i spose god doesnt bring pain and misery, it just makes me laugh that you seem to say that ghosts may or not be real, but you cant see that God is in the exact same boat

God has the truth and we are free in him. We have the free will the whole time we are Christian and he leaves it up to us to either stay true to our belief or let our own feelings make our decisions for us. What is it worth to always give in to how you feel and end up doing something that can harm you?

some/most people who dont believe in god (and some/most of those who do) have a little thing called a mind, and common sense often comes with it, you should not do things that cause harm to you or others, but you should not do them because its wrong, not because God says so

Some one offers you a cigarette and the only way that you can feel accepted is that you take it and get high. Here is another instance your girlfriend or boy friend asks you to do something that would be enjoyable but in the end you get a disease. True there is nothing wrong with these feelings and it is also true that your feelings can lead you away from danger but they don't always work like that. You decide that you want to know what kissing your girlfriend would be like. You start kissing her and slowly you get taken over by the strong emotions in your heart. Further and further you go and then there is no turning back and you go all the way.

im not Christian and i know there are more important things in life than acceptance, im not about to take drugs to be accepted by people

im not a Christian but i practice restraint when with my girlfriend, theres also an awesome little invention called the condom, its not perfect but it does a pretty darn good job

Is it not one of the rules to the church of Satan that you should let your feelings guide you instead of what is in your heart? What you know is right is not what you do. Instead you do things that make you feel better. You get into a fight after school and prove nothing other than the fact that your stronger than the other person. The argument that started all this has gone into a pointless activity that involves causing damage to the other person just because it makes you feel better to see them suffer. Are you not turning into your worst enemy? Fights break out all over school just because they did something to you that has hurt you emotionally. Let me ask you is this really how you want to live. Knife and other weapons are brought to school undetected until some one gets seriously injured. What life is it that you want to pursue your dreams but all you seem to do is let you emotions take you away from your accomplishments. Which would you rather have a great accomplishment that you worked hard on or let your feelings take you where you never wanted to be? This is where I got lost.

i would assume that satanism like christianity is open for interpretation, some satanists may think that getting in a fight will make them feel good, but others will realise that in the end your just as likely to get hurt yourself and end up feeling unfulfilled, also if you severly injure someone then the resulting lawsuit will not feel good

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