Am I the only one worried about the world these days ???????

reddragon12 · Aug 08, 2008 11:21 AM

but when people just throw out meat from supermarkets and all then go kill a WILD animal
there are people out in the world starving

Fletch_Talon · Aug 08, 2008 11:27 AM

reddragon12 wrote:

but when people just throw out meat from supermarkets and all then go kill a WILD animal
there are people out in the world starving

oh dear god not this crap

first and foremost people are not throwing out meat from the supermarket because they would not be buying meat from the supermarket

the supermarket may be throwing out meat when it goes bad but frankly the animal is dead whether someone buys its meat or not

as for the "starving people" argument, please dont start it, its the biggest load of bull ever spouted.
lets say i have a plateful of food, i eat half and the rest gets thrown out. how does me eating that other half make any difference to the starving people, did you want me to stick it in an envelope and send it to the starving children, something tells me its not gonna make it far.

reddragon12 · Aug 08, 2008 11:30 AM

the least you could do is apreciate it you're more fortunate than you think
you have a home food drink that is safe to drink family friends and tecnology medicens
don't you dare say it's a load of bull s**t or anything like that cause it just makes you ungratful

A Guy · Aug 08, 2008 12:18 PM

Oh, really. Guess what? The supermarket is not going to give away the meat for free if you don't buy it.

reddragon12 · Aug 08, 2008 12:56 PM

well the animal died then they just goin to waste

A Guy · Aug 08, 2008 12:59 PM

People are not going to ship their leftover meat overseas. It will spoil.

reddragon12 · Aug 08, 2008 1:03 PM

i'm not gunna bother you don't get what i'm getting at

Good Charlotte · Aug 08, 2008 2:33 PM

i can only just see what you mean but hey s**t happens

Good Charlotte · Aug 08, 2008 2:45 PM

plus what is this about global warming and animals going so my grandkids won't see a polar bear i never got to see a dinosoar you don't hear me crying about it oh the word will end soon give me a break

Fletch_Talon · Aug 09, 2008 8:15 AM

Good Charlotte wrote:

plus what is this about global warming and animals going so my grandkids won't see a polar bear i never got to see a dinosoar you don't hear me crying about it oh the word will end soon give me a break

oh yes, silly us, how could we possibly care more about an animal than a bunch of singing girl/boys wearing too much mascara

reddragon12 · Aug 11, 2008 6:19 AM

what do chaves have to do with this topic?

birdy-stover · Aug 13, 2008 8:54 AM

Good Charlotte wrote:

plus what is this about global warming and animals going so my grandkids won't see a polar bear i never got to see a dinosoar you don't hear me crying about it oh the word will end soon give me a break

But humans had nothing to do with dinosaurs going extinct! They went extinct (it's a theory btw) because of a meteor shower. Thats why we still have crocodiles and sharks, which were around with the dinosaurs.

Don't you think it might b better for the world if the people think that if they don't do something now, the world will end?
It would encourage people to do something, even if the world really isn't ending, and it would be good for the environment.

Phoenix_Flyer · Aug 13, 2008 3:39 PM

The meteorite (not a shower) wasn't the cause of the extinction, just the final straw. Dinosaurs were on the decline and only about a dozen species of dinosaur and a handful of marine and flying reptiles were still alive at the end of the Cretaceous. It was a combination of volcanism, continental drift and dropping sea-levels that killed them with the meteor being the exclamation mark at the end.
If it was a meteor that killed them then how on Earth did amphibians survive the suppossed conditions afterwards? Amphibians are waaaay more sensitive than dinosaurs were in terms of disasters, look at what this fungus that is going around the world is doing to their numbers now! Noone can say for sure why some creatures lived while the dinosaurs died out. There's solid evidence for all of the points I mentioned above (I do A-Level Geology at collage and the Mass Extinctions, Dinosaurs and fossils are the topic we are now studying), an iridium layer (a rare metal found in meteorites and deep in the Earth's mantle), shocked quartz (quartz crystals that look smashed due to an impact or seismic forces from volcanoes) and the fossil record. But just about every scientist agrees that it wasn't just an impact that caused them to go extinct. If the impact was as bad as they say then it should have killed way more species.
The death of life at the end of the Cretaceous (called the K-T boundary) wasn't even that bad in comparison to most Mass Extinction events. At the K-T event, 50% of all life became extinct. However, at the P-Tr event, before the Triassic, 96% of Marine life became exinct and about 70% of land life (including plants) became extinct. Way worse. But it allowed dinosaurs to evolve and when the dinosaurs died out it allowed mammals and birds, and to a point us, to evolve.
So really, I don't think a bit of extinction is too bad, it allows new species to evolve. However, when they are dying because of stupid, unnatural reasons such as poaching for fur, then it becomes bad. And the blame sits squarely on our (man-kinds) shoulders.

Fletch_Talon · Aug 14, 2008 12:14 AM

I could have sworn that all you just said was one of the "theories"

if they know for certain what caused the mass extinction of the dinosaurs it mustve been pretty recently, i think the meteorite is a good theory, likely one of the best, but ive never heard that "dinosaurs were on the decline...etc." how can you know what the population of a species, or in fact the number of species, that existed millions of years ago when all we have to judge by (to my knowledge) are fossils which require specific conditions to form (ie. there arent necessarily a lot of them regardless of how many dinosaurs were alive at the time)

bmah · Aug 14, 2008 6:47 AM

Phoenix_Flyer wrote:

The meteorite

Correction: meteor. Meteor refers to the extraterrestrial object that's still in space.

Phoenix_Flyer wrote:

The meteorite (not a shower) wasn't the cause of the extinction, just the final straw. Dinosaurs were on the decline and only about a dozen species of dinosaur and a handful of marine and flying reptiles were still alive at the end of the Cretaceous. It was a combination of volcanism, continental drift and dropping sea-levels that killed them with the meteor being the exclamation mark at the end.

I thought the meteor impact caused a whole bunch of environmental irregularities which eventually led to the demise of the dinosaurs, not the other way around where you state that the dinosaurs were already under a lot of stress before the occurrence of the impact. I think it makes more sense when you have a series of events, started by the impact, that cause a domino effect on the environment, negatively affecting life on the planet. I wasn't aware that the dinosaurs were already on decline, if that's true.

Phoenix_Flyer wrote:

shocked quartz (quartz crystals that look smashed due to an impact or seismic forces from volcanoes)

A similar diagnostic feature:
On a microscopic scale, quartz grains affected by shock impact may show what looks like "cleavage" (normally quartz doesn't have cleavage), a feature known as PDFs (planar deformation features). wink

Fletch_Talon wrote:

how can you know what the population of a species, or in fact the number of species, that existed millions of years ago when all we have to judge by (to my knowledge) are fossils which require specific conditions to form (ie. there arent necessarily a lot of them regardless of how many dinosaurs were alive at the time)

I'm no paleontologist, but I'm pretty sure population estimates aren't determined by the number of fossils found. But good question.

Fletch_Talon · Aug 14, 2008 7:01 AM

bmah wrote:

Fletch_Talon wrote:
how can you know what the population of a species, or in fact the number of species, that existed millions of years ago when all we have to judge by (to my knowledge) are fossils which require specific conditions to form (ie. there arent necessarily a lot of them regardless of how many dinosaurs were alive at the time)
I'm no paleontologist, but I'm pretty sure population estimates aren't determined by the number of fossils found. But good question.

well i wouldnt have thought so either, thats why i asked, i just cant imagine what else you would use to find the population of a long extinct creature

oh well, ill just sit and wait to find out smile

birdy-stover · Aug 14, 2008 8:12 AM

I'm sure I said it was just a theory Pheonix_Flyer.

I like the meteor theory the best, because to me it just seems to explain everything in a way that is possible.

reddragon12 · Aug 14, 2008 9:07 AM

it depends on how you see it

ratchet · Aug 14, 2008 12:31 PM

I know i've left Spyroforum, but I have more to say on this subject:
A.The things we eat for dinner are sheep, cows and pigs, all are way away from extinction. Ok, Slaughtering is cruel but what else are we supposed to eat? Its Human nature.

hunting for sport = wrong
hunting to eradicate an introduced species = justifiable
hunting a prolific species for food = fine
hunting any endangered species = wrong and illegal (in most places, apparently not japan though *cough*scientificresearchmyarse*cough*)
and as for the "OH NOES AN ANIMAL DIDE TO MAKEE MY SAMMICH* how about you go tell a whole bunch of omnivorous animals to stop eating meat, when they give a *bleep* about what you consider to be so horrible i might consider it myself
again i will state the facts, we have evolved (or were created with) a set of teeth consisting of molars for grinding, as well as canines and incisors for tearing, we are an omnivorous animal, if you have a problem with that you were born the wrong species
and no im not syaing you are a lycanthrope or any other form of mythical being
also i refuse to be politically correct on this issue, people seem to forget that plants are living things as well, but apparently because they cant move and have even less of a voice than animals they don't count, according to vegetarians, its not alive if it cant make noise and stare at you with cute little eyes

Sometimes your point of view really annoys me Fletch, but your right there.

B."OMG TH3 P01AR B34r 1Z DY1Ng C4Uz 0F Gl0b4l W4rm1ng!!11111ONEONEONE"- Not true actually, its mainly because of decreasing food supply and the fact that Polar bears find it so hard to breed. THe Decreaing food may be caused by Humans but we cant say for sure.
C.Pandas- Partly caused by Humans (deforestation) but Thats the Chinese for you, i cant help it, so cant you. But The Pandas eat need WAYY to much to eat, they havn't adapted well. They are also very hard to breed
D.Climate Change/Global Warming- uhhhhh, Proof anyone? Unless you give me some good proof, i'll continue being a sceptic.
Ice Caps are melting-False
C02 Levels are higher than ever before-Bullcrap
Humans are the source- Nope
Green House gases are killing us- Bluff
We've made a hole in the ozon layer- lie
Do i have to say anymore? Dont listen to what the media tells you.
E.Pollution- ITS A PROBLEM, soon everyone WILL look like China, for this one i am concerned, we really have to find alternate sources otherwise we'll be chokin.
But the main problem here is, the most polution IS caused by China, and they really have to get their act together, so does the United States.Australia causes less than 0.1% of the total polution in the planet, so theres nothing our country can really do. Heck, most of the polution here is caused by bushfires!
F.Litter-Also, i agree, we should really do something about this, either we do an unpractical system like buring rubbish or we get our act together and start using biodegratable stuffs.
G.Our World Is dying- No its not, certainly it would be in alot better conditions if humans didn't exist, but we're not "killing" our plnet, we're just making it more uninhabitable, a big difference. And Believe me, by the time our planet does get uninhabitable, we'd probably made a better, fresh colony on mars.

Stupid Rathet Comment- If I were an elephant, i would rather have my tusks cut off, Teeth sticking out of my mouth wouldn't feel right.....
Yeah but i'm not an elephant so its wrong to get ivory.

Should we help the enviornement?- Yes
Should we worry too much about it?- No.
What i mean by that is not worry night after night whether our grandkids wont see polar bears, just try and help the environment to last as long as possible.

the least you could do is apreciate it you're more fortunate than you think
you have a home food drink that is safe to drink family friends and tecnology medicens
don't you dare say it's a load of bull s**t or anything like that cause it just makes you ungratful

"Eat more food because others cant get it"- The leading cause of obsity lol XD

Believe me, if i could feed my leftovers to some starving children instead of my dog, i would, but i dont own a starving child do i. And do you realise that i would have to spend lots of money and risk my life in the ghetto areas just to feed them.
I am grateful i'm not a starving child, but theres no way i can help the children, JUst like Fletch said, Eating the rest of my food doesn't do anything.

well the animal died then they just goin to waste

Go into a lion's den and see how many waisted animals are there

how is that perfectly fine? you go out find an animal the kill it it's killing the speicies its bringing their population down how can you say that that is fine

If its not an endangered species, by the time you've Finally kiled the animal, 10 more probanly would have already been born

As for 'fighting for Queen and Country' in this War we aren't fighting for ourselves. True we are trying to fight for the benefit of others but is it really helping? We all thought that getting Saddam Husein out of the picture would help, but has it? If anything, it has just spurred his supporters on to more violence and pushed them to avenge his death. As I've said from the beginning, they have different beliefs and ways of doing things to us. It may well be much more beneficial to just leave them to it. The way we do things, is not neccessarily the way they do it and that may be what is making things worse. We need to get off our high horses and realise that for once 'our' way isn't working and we need to be willing to let others sort things out for themselves.

A.If anybody didn't realise, People Join the Army and Hence are prepared for wars on their OWN accord, No one forces them to fight for their country, people normally do it for money or because they have nothing better to do, its THEIR CHOICE. Anyone who signs up for the army should prepare for war, if you dont, your dumb.
B.People in the middle east were already being Idiots before We arrived, And Whats REALLY annoying is when people say things like "Its the americans fault if the IRAGies are misbehaving", there is such thing as being intimidating, but lets take this for example.
One day at School, Iraq Started Bashing up America, So America and His friends Told the teacher and Iraq Got in deep trouble, But Iraq's friends were now angry at America and his Friends, And Now America and his friends were starting to blame themselves.
Now this is kind of wrong, but you get the picture, its not our fault if Iraqy muslim terrorist want to be idiots and pests, they were Already before we even came.
Do you know that Iragies were such idiots that they burnt out many oil wells in Iraq just to annoy the Americans and waist Their oil, thats how STUPID they are. They really need to be settled.
C.If we just left IRAQ how it is, it will just get even more corrupt. Terrorist attacks will keep happening and the Innocents of IRAQ will just get more hurt. If we dont do anything, it will be worse than nothing.
D.We didn't go into IRAQ for money, Though Maybe a bit more money should be spent on the troops.

Phoenix_Flyer · Aug 14, 2008 7:46 PM

I didn't say it was the truth and what really happened. What I was trying to get across was the best theory. That it wasn't just a meteor that killed the dinosaurs. It was a combination of events. Basically the dinosaurs were just really unlucky. Noone has denied the evidence for all of the scenarios I mentioned, nor has it been proved that it was only one factor. As I said, some species lived that in all theory should have died out when the dinosaurs did (enter stage left the sensitive little tree frogs). So most scientists agree that it wasn't just a meteor that killed them. Though I never denied that there wasn't a meteor. Sorry if it sounded like I was slating anyone. I wasn't meant to. As for some of the evidence, I recall it all of the top of my head, my computers' slow so I don't bother looking it up on google. If my facts are wrong I apologise........ Hehe.......

A Guy · Aug 18, 2008 11:08 PM

I was not saying that soldiers should not have to fight-I am saying that we should take better care of the ones we have instead of sending more.

ontels · Aug 19, 2008 8:01 AM

so which subject are we talking about at the moment?

Fletch_Talon · Aug 19, 2008 8:28 AM

lets talk about cats, specifically this domestic cat/african serval breed that theyve created and want to import to australia

they are idiots... if i didnt have so much time on my hands id leave it at that but that not being the case:

we have enough problems with stray cats preying on wildlife as it is, we've seen firsthand what introducing a species to a country can do (cane toad hoorah) so why would we even consider introducing a "super cat" just so that people can brag that they have an incredibly expensive imported pet

the only way this pet should have even a small chance of getting here is if there is forced nutering and they have to be kept caged up or indoors 24/7

ontels · Aug 19, 2008 8:34 AM

wow that rouph man same thing happend here when they introduced the american grey squirril it almost killed all of our smaller red ones

reddragon12 · Aug 19, 2008 9:57 AM

yeah that is a pain in the @$$ i thought it was the canadian grey squirril

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