Yet Another Thread About: Religious Discussion (and this time its personal)

Fletch_Talon · Aug 11, 2008 1:34 AM

sigh... Adam, you really seem to be unable to grasp the simplest of concepts...

I AM NOT A... wait for it... CHRISTIAN

Is God so insecure that he needs people to believe in him?
It is not the fact that we preach to people who don't want to hear it but the fact that we feel the need to let them know about our religion. Not only that but when we do bring up the subject questions come up just like yours. We just want to be sure that they heard the word of god. As others like to say "there is a word of god".The fact that it says in the bible that we believe that every word is true says that those who don't come to Jesus will parish. Perhaps you have heard of this before.
John 3;16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believed in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 14:6
I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me.

that has not even come close to the question i asked you, you believe that you cant get into heaven if you dont believe in God, i asked why... i didnt ask for you to quote where it says in a religious document that nonbelievers arent going to heaven

No one can live forever. Surely you don't believe that when we die we sees to exists. At least humor me, say that you had died, what do you think will happen to your spirit? What do you believe? Us God does not require our worship neither does he depend on us in any way. He could simply kill us off but look we are still here.

and why would we not cease to exist? how is that less believable somehow than "your spirit travels to a magical place... but only if you believe what i say"

you say god doesnt require worship, and he doesnt depend on us... so once again i will ask, why should people be punished for not believing in something for which there is absolutely zero proof or evidence for

I think it is harsh that us Christians call non-believers atheist. Please don't take me the wrong way but us Christians don't like it either being called names like hypocrites. We are still trying to be perfect in the eyes of god and we make mistakes too but don't let them crowd your judgment. Don't tell me about anything that a Christian did to you to offend you instead tell me what you yourself believe. If need be I can create a thread to discuss this with you and your friends or I can pray with you.

and here's where your ignorance shows through again:

a) you seem to think "atheist" is an insult, that would only be the case if the person isnt an atheist, though since you are apparently incapable of contemplating the existance of any belief besides your own, it wouldnt surprise me if you thought buddhists were atheists too

b) you make the assumption that i dislike christian beliefs because of a bad experience with a christian/s. the most disgusting examples of everything that is wrong with the human race, i have seen portrayed by a christian based religion. even so, my dislike of all organised religions stems from pure common sense, i cannot fathom how you people justify belief in something, just because youre told to believe it, forget any contrary evidence, forget the fact that it promotes prejudice towards other people, you believe it simply because youre told if you dont, then you go to a bad place

c) you ask to pray with me... the degree of ignorance in that one little request nearly made me choke

This is entirely up to you for I am human and in no place to force you to do anything. We can pray together over the Internet. Pm each other where it is instant and we can type our parer. Your mother and or father will accept you for who you are no matter what and your friend well, if they are true friends they will accept you for who you are as well. I will say it again â€œwe can discuss this further if need beâ€.

my parents accept me, and they are not christians, they may believe in a god, but clearly not your god, because your god promotes prejudice and elitism

now please for the love of whatever *bleep*ing deity you pray to, dont *bleep*ing respond to this until you get it into your thick head that christianity is not, however much you wish for it to be, the only belief that exists

feel free to think its the only right one, but keep it to yourself, maybe one day youll get off your high horse* and realise that you cant possibly know that
Anyway, here's your thread, I dont know how many friends are gonna join in (and even then i dont know whether anyone will support my side of this argument) but here it is, you want to explain yourself, you can do it in public, and i feel confident enough to do the same

*i just used that so i could apologise for beating a dead horse, get it? its a pun, funy right? i had to end this on a high note somehow

Stormy · Aug 11, 2008 1:42 AM

[sub]It seems to me that you and Adam were simply having a discussion about religion when he said some things that offended you. At that point, I say the most logical thing to do would be to end the conversation; don't, as you put it, "beat the dead horse".

It's clear that neither of you are going to change your beliefs. Why not just let it drop? And I mean both you and Adam.[/sub]

Fletch_Talon · Aug 11, 2008 2:17 AM

Stormy wrote:

[sub]It seems to me that you and Adam were simply having a discussion about religion when he said some things that offended you. At that point, I say the most logical thing to do would be to end the conversation; don't, as you put it, "beat the dead horse".
It's clear that neither of you are going to change your beliefs. Why not just let it drop? And I mean both you and Adam.[/sub]

actually the main issue comes from the fact that a week or 2 ago i asked the question and out of the blue i recieve this message which doesnt answer the question and instead comes across as a patronising attempt at "saving my soul"

its not so much a discussion of "my belief is right yours is wrong" as it is a discussion about Adam's inability to understand that people are happy believing something that isnt christianity

he's telling me (or asking me) that i should pray with him, to a god that represents things that i disagree with immensly (prejudice, intolerance, limited freedom of choice/free will)

i guarantee he wouldnt like it if a satanist (in the traditional sense) said he should come join in on a ritual where they all spit on a picture of jesus.

the difference between my beliefs and Adam's are that he feels that i need to be saved and so has to force feed them to me, and i feel that he needs to keep his beliefs to himself unless asked about them (and then he needs to respond with an answer not a sermon)

im not an atheist, im not a theist, im an agnostic, im not going to tell theists that their god doesnt exist, or tell atheists that he does, i cant possibly know any of that for sure, nobody can, if you want to believe in something because you truly believe in it, or because it makes you feel good, thats fine, but dont tell people theyre idiots, or that theyre doomed because they choose to believe something different

Aicebo · Aug 11, 2008 2:37 AM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

it makes you feel good, thats fine, but dont tell people theyre idiots, or that theyre doomed because they choose to believe something different

Thank you so much for saying that. Lolz.

In SpyroChat there is a member who is always bugging me about religion (I won't say his name). I'm about sick and tired of him saying "fine but one day you'll see!" he says he's going to pray to god and jesus to make them make me believe in all this christian stuff, which won't happen. I am not going to "burn in hell" if I'm not a Christian. I do not believe in "hell" "satan" or "the devil". They don't exist to me. I do not like to be told that I should pray to be "saved" and everything else. I'm not an atheist, but I don't really have a religion. I have something called "by religion" or "bi religion", and it's perfect for me. I get really angry when people tell me to go to a church. I refuse to and you can't make me. It's AGAINST my beliefs, so stop trying to force it into me.

Stormy · Aug 11, 2008 2:41 AM

[sub]I understand where you're coming from, but I just don't think it's that big a deal. There isn't any need to get the rest of the forum involved with your religious disputes. Just talk to Adam if you're so annoyed by him, or better yet, ignore him completely. All it's doing is creating more drama.

Just my two cents. Take it or leave it. [/sub]

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