The fight between new and old spyro

spyromaster330 · Jun 30, 2008 11:51 AM

Well i guess the new fans are sort of fans of a different series but they are still Spyro fans. If anything destroyed Spyro i think that it was ETD and AHT because those games caused the old style to get a bit boring and a change was needed.

ratchet · Jun 30, 2008 12:02 PM

I think we can all agree that ETD and AHT gave the Old Spyro a bad name, but TLOS was the one that rebooted. I blame Sierra.
And remember folks, a change doesn't mean having to reboot, its called improving, something that neither ETD or AHT did.

Because they own it and they can do anything with it.
Like the Need for Speed series.
I like the original Underground and Underground 2, but they replaced it with action type police chases in Most Wanted and Carbon. Loved that.
Then came Prostreet. A reboot. IT SUCKED A**. But I just ignored the release.
If you don't like it, don't buy it!

Ok, i'm not a big fan of the NFS series but i do know that Prostreeet, even though it rebooted, it was still a racing game, but most of the same features. But Doppel, Heres the thing, prostreet changed, just like Spyro, but Spyro changed even MORE! So, Doppel, you know how I feel?

Spyro, my favourite series, will not change back, and that is why i'm angry

spyromaster330 · Jun 30, 2008 12:37 PM

Well yeah, they definently could have improved the old style instead of rebooting but whats done is done and we cant do much about it.

Doppelgangergang · Jun 30, 2008 1:22 PM

ratchet wrote:

Ok, i'm not a big fan of the NFS series but i do know that Prostreeet, even though it rebooted, it was still a racing game, but most of the same features.

It is still the same racing game BUT:

1. Lacks free roam where you can roam around the city searching for little bonuses.

2. Lacks the police chases. mad

3. Lacks the Crewmember system introduced in Carbon.

4. Crappy damage engine.

5. Lacks the SpeedBreaker and replaced it with steering assist.

6. No vehicle modifications can be made!

But Doppel, Heres the thing, prostreet changed, just like Spyro, but Spyro changed even MORE! So, Doppel, you know how I feel?
Spyro, my favourite series, will not change back, and that is why i'm angry

Prostreet changed a lot, but the next one is announced to be going back to the styles of Carbon and MW! big_smile

Yay yay, lucky meeeeeee! tongue

Gwenio · Jun 30, 2008 4:34 PM

Stormy wrote:

dragon protector x wrote:
People say that the new spyro series will bring the down fall of spyro, or that it sucks....well what i ahve been realizing is that a large number of Spyro players have increased once the LOS started up...just look at all the LOS music videos are on youtube. It shows that alot more people are playing it. Just something to think about.
[sub]It doesn't matter how many fans the games have gained on internet forums; that does not make the games any better or worse.
For one thing, people who say that TLoS sucks just have that opinion. People who say the original Spyro sucks just have that opinion. It's not in any way a question of which game has more fans.
Besides, the old games are over ten years old. Many people who used to be big fans have probably grown up and lost interest, just as you will with the new Spyro one day.
And finally, take a look at this, or any site that rates video games:
Neoseeker's Rating of The Legend of Spyro: A New Beginning
Neoseeker's Rating of Spyro the Dragon
As you can see, it got a significantly better rating. Still don't believe me? Try browsing other sites that rate video games, like IGN:
IGN's Rating of The Legend of Spyro: A New Beginning
IGN's Rating of Spyro the Dragon
I could link you to others, but you get the idea.
If you think the old Spyro sucks, then that's your opinion, and I respect that. But saying the new Spyro is better because it has more fans is just false for so many reasons.
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Try the ratings here.
And of the very few people who go to the IGN forum most hate the new and caused most who like the new games to leave, so I would not say that anything from there counts as evidince of how people feel about the new games..

RadSpyro · Jun 30, 2008 5:20 PM

Actually, the only places I've seen where loads of people still prefer the new games are Spyro fansites.

I'm a member of other places too, and I have yet to find someone who likes the newer games over the old on a majority of places. The trouble is, Spyro was once unique at the time, but like people have said, after Insomniac left, the games went downhill. Then came the reboot - Yes, it got higher ratings, but then some people who liked Spyro for his gameplay lost interest.

I don't want to argue over this, but Stormy has pretty much summed up my own feelings completely.

Stormy · Jun 30, 2008 8:20 PM

Gwenio wrote:

Try the ratings here.
And of the very few people who go to the IGN forum most hate the new and caused most who like the new games to leave, so I would not say that anything from there counts as evidince of how people feel about the new games..

[sub]They're ranked about the same. Interesting.

I have an answer to that: The newer Spyro games are just that: newer. Old Spyro, which ranks higher on the three official non-fansites I linked you to, naturally wouldn't rank as high on a fansite. Think about who comes to fansites: fans of the newer games, where there's still plenty to discuss.

The novelty has probably worn off for a lot of the old fans. [/sub]

Gwenio · Jul 01, 2008 3:21 AM

That would applu more if the site in question had not been around for about the equal amounts of time before and after the release of the newer games. While it would affect the scores some, non-fan sites like IGN can have things to mess with the reliability of there ratings. (At IGN most people who like the series cannot stand the people that like the old series there and many at the Sierra Forum avoid it because they precieve IGN as not liking Spyro)

TheManiacOnWheels · Jul 01, 2008 3:59 AM

ratchet wrote:

Spash the Bandragon wrote:
ratchet wrote:
1.Because the fact that sierra had the nerve to completely destroy and replace my favourite series.
As opposed to letting your favorite series die. If TLoS hadn't come along, Spyro wouldn't have nearly as many fans as it does now. Besides, now that Spyro's returned from the brink of death, the makers of the next Spyro games are liable to make games that apeal to fans of both old and new.
Geez, man, talk about overreacting. Just because they decide to make THREE GAMES different, you moan that Spyro's dead.
Face it dude, you could hardly call TLOS the same Spyro series it was, its changed so much that its like a whole new Series! Meaning the new Fans are just the fans of a series that destroyed Old Spyro.
didnt think that someof his jokes were funny in ANB but some of them were kinda funny i thought.
I have to admit, Sometimes i find Sparx very funny, I loved David Spade Sparx . TLOS Sparx ftw, but i dont hate Orignal Sparx either!
NO FIGHTING. I'm just saying that it seems like they aren't going to revert to the old series when this one's finished. I'm glad about it, because after what the previous companies before T.L.o.S did, he'd gone past any hope of revival. I don't think even one with the right ideas would've managed it (though I did like them when I first played them).
My opinion.
I wont fight, but the fact is, ME AND ALL THE ORIGINAL SPYRO FANS KNOW that old Spyro isn't comming back.(unless the publishers read all our posts and think about how much the old Spyro benifited them, but this happening is zero to nil), but you probably already know that....
People keep saying that they're were too many monkeys, but if there're weren't so many monkeys the game would be even shorter. Besides, the numerous enemies give you the feeling that you're fighting your way to Cynder or wherever you're going, as opposed to games like AHT where there are maybe three enemies standing together that are all killed by flame breath in less than two seconds because they don't have health bars. Besides, you can usually kill the annoying monkeys with flame breath very quickly, even the large ones. Large numbers of monkeys aren't a problem, they're easy to kill, so if there were very few apes it would be an even worse game (probably beatable in up to 30 minutes). Heck, it's a FIGHTING GAME anyways, not a platformer like the old ones.
The fact is, theres monkeys and nothing else, other types of gameplay are virtually not existant.
I ran out of.....facts.....or what ever you wana call them to back fire then end up getting back fired on me...again....im not a good debater unless i have like hours to think up something
OOC:I do debating at my school, but i'm not that good, probably because of two reasons:
1.I'm only really good on things i'm passionate about, like Spyro
2.You have to wait until they finish their speech until you talk, and you cant debate against the person who rebutted you.
meh...
And yeah, no series is really "better", its all opinions, its JUST A DISCUSSION TOPIC!

To your last point, EXACTLY! big_smile .
Sometimes it gets outta hand...

ratchet · Jul 01, 2008 12:26 PM

Gwenio:DarkSpyro was created only a few years ago, by then most of the old Spyro fans had left the series, or some just didn't find it as great as it was. You should only take the ratings at DarkSpyro with a grain of salt.

Stormy · Jul 01, 2008 1:18 PM

[sub]It's not just DarkSpyro either. Fansites are bound to be biased and inaccurate, for the reasons I have mentioned. That's why I looked for neutral, non-Spyro-specific sources to illustrate my point. [/sub]

Gwenio · Jul 01, 2008 1:41 PM

ratchet wrote:

Gwenio:DarkSpyro was created only a few years ago, by then most of the old Spyro fans had left the series, or some just didn't find it as great as it was. You should only take the ratings at DarkSpyro with a grain of salt.

I did say that it would not be completely accurate beacause of that, but after looking at some of the newer polls about things in the Insomantic games there, it seems that there is a good number of people who have play the original trilogy that visit there.

Looking at the numbers at IGN, I would say its scores need to be taken with a spoonful of salt. New series fans do not go there for the most part.

IGN votes
Old: 2000+
New 76, after I voted.

RadSpyro · Jul 01, 2008 2:48 PM

IGN caters for gamers from all points of the series' life. Most people who search fansites search for them after playing the latest game, myself included usually.

IGN is much more accurate than any fansite in the long run. I know a lot of people that refused to play any further Spyro games after they played ANB, due to the rapid change, and I have yet to see the games reach #1 in any of my local videogame retailers.

Gwenio · Jul 01, 2008 6:17 PM

RadSpyro wrote:

IGN caters for gamers from all points of the series' life. Most people who search fansites search for them after playing the latest game, myself included usually.
IGN is much more accurate than any fansite in the long run. I know a lot of people that refused to play any further Spyro games after they played ANB, due to the rapid change, and I have yet to see the games reach #1 in any of my local videogame retailers.

IGN does, just more so for those that actively dislike the newer games.

Then again, it does not cater to those that play Spyro to any real extent, period.

The new evaluation of Spyro the Dragon

What happen to make the people rate Spyro the Dragon at 7.5? There are not that many people there anymore to use to judge the feelings of the fandon.

In regards to anything new about Spyro from IGN, it must be taken with far more than a grain of salt.

Stormy · Jul 01, 2008 6:47 PM

[sub]Might I point out that that review was only one person's opinion? The ratings we're talking about are a collective average, which gives a much better idea about people's opinions as a whole than just that one guy's review.

Look at the comments, too. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. ^__^[/sub]

Gwenio · Jul 01, 2008 6:56 PM

I am refering the the reader average which is 7.5, not the IGN review which is 7.0.

RadSpyro · Jul 01, 2008 7:36 PM

10 ratings? You can't even compare that right now. All it takes is a few TLoS fans to put down '0' or '1' and the high mark will drop that far anyway (Not saying they have or anything, but that's just too few people). I also wouldn't compare with TEN, which got even lower, due to lack of votes again. Comparing Spyro with the games nowadays will leave a lot to be desired.

It's not just IGN though. It's pretty much a majority of gaming sites.

TheManiacOnWheels · Jul 01, 2008 10:27 PM

I don't understand why anyone would bother looking at them. Most sites detest the new series for the rapid change, and a newer players might turn away due to a bad review before they've had a chance to actually play the game and like it.
I've never bothered to pay much attention to them, because it's not their opinion of the game that matters, it's your own.

Gwenio · Jul 01, 2008 10:33 PM

RadSpyro wrote:

10 ratings? You can't even compare that right now. All it takes is a few TLoS fans to put down '0' or '1' and the high mark will drop that far anyway (Not saying they have or anything, but that's just too few people). I also wouldn't compare with TEN, which got even lower, due to lack of votes again. Comparing Spyro with the games nowadays will leave a lot to be desired.
It's not just IGN though. It's pretty much a majority of gaming sites.

For the point that IGN is not representitive of Spyro Fans as a whole? Yes I can use this to prove my point. There simply is not enough fans there anymore to use it as an example.

RadSpyro · Jul 02, 2008 12:27 AM

Still, it doesn't explain why other popular sites still lack Spyro clubs on them, like Gaia and Livejournal, where pretty much anything remotely popular has a community. If TLoS had truly brought the Spyro fandom back to life, we'd be seeing more Spyro outside his fansites. Seriously, I've even seen a club for Pit who's just been reintroduced for Brawl, and Kid Icarus' fandom seems to be far more smaller than the Spyro one! I can't find Spyro fans outside the fansites, no matter how hard I try. And when I do, they've never played/dislike the new Spyro games.

I'm not a hater of TLoS. I actually don't mind it. All I'm saying is that TLoS, right now, has not got the same support the original games have, nor the high ratings. Maybe this will change in the future, it's possible.

But TheManiacOnWheels is right - The game made by this new company making DOTD, Asterix at the Olympic Games, got very low ratings, but I enjoyed it immensely. smile

dragon protector x · Jul 02, 2008 2:53 AM

The problem about takeing gameing websites rateings is that....thats what "they" think of the game...they could react differently to some games then others...which unless every inputs their own rateings you could compair the different rates aginst other to figur out if it is good or not.

ratchet · Jul 02, 2008 5:30 AM

I think everyone should really take any bulk ratings you see with a grain of salt, obviously not every spyro fan has voted, and as Gwenio and others have said, some sites or more populated with different kinds of people, you can tell be the fact that at IGN, there was only 76 votes for TLOS, but there are many many more TLOS fans here and at DarkSpyro. But in the other hand, there are many many MANY more Original fans at IGN than here.

But when I look around the internet, the majority of fans are Original fans, and dislike the new games, so thats MY verdict on how it is.

dragon protector x · Jul 02, 2008 5:46 AM

I dont trust those rateing things unless there is at the least 1000 rateing towards the game.

ratchet · Jul 02, 2008 6:05 AM

Just look at IGN, there were more than 2000 for old Spyro.

dragon protector x · Jul 02, 2008 6:06 AM

And for the LoS series?

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