The fight between new and old spyro

Kamineko · Jun 10, 2008 7:49 PM

Doppelgangergang wrote:

Atresac wrote:
Also, if it's so great: why do critics and audiences alike give it such bad reviews compared to the older ones?
Because....
1. They did not consider the plot.
2. They are freaks.
3. They suck at TEN (IGN).
4. They were already disappointed of the original spyro. See? Get rid of original!

The plot is one of the big things critics and audiences consider when reviewing a game, along with gameplay and then the presentation.

As for you "they suck at TEN", that's a load. Especially because the scores I posted are averaged from all big review sites. Do all review sites suck at the game? And I guess that all the user-submitted scores are from people who can't play the game?

They're disappointed because they are comparing it to the original Spyro, which was better. So they see the new ones and think "man this isn't nearly as good". Getting rid of the originals is like saying "you know what? McDonald's burgers are really bad. But if we get rid of all the ones that are better they'll be the best!"

Doppelgangergang · Jun 10, 2008 7:53 PM

Whatever.

Review sites don't bias me.

Mok · Jun 10, 2008 8:18 PM

Perhaps I shouldn't post in this thread, but I'm going to

And I'll just go ahead and say I don't particularly care for "The Legend of Spyro" games, but I do own and have played them both.

Here's something some of you aren't considering. Alot of us have been with Spyro for a long time, I mean, he's been around for 10 years now. I have played the original games since I was 14, and to me, Spyro is a cocky dragon that throws caution to the wind and charges forth with reckless abandon, all for the sake of hoarding gems.

The legend of Spyro, however, shows Spyro as more of "an unwilling hero". Plus, they removed Gems from the new games, so that's already a minus in my book. That was half the fun for me, to be able to get all of the gems and orbs and what have you so I could get that 100%, to know that I had completely ROCKED the game.

I'm glad to see that Spyro still has a strong fanbase, and I don't have anything against anyone who prefers the new Spyro games. That taste is just different from mine (and those who prefer the originals as well)

Spyro seems to have something for each type of player, so you shouldn't look contemptfully on those who don't really care for the new games. Just let us enjoy our golden age of Spyro, we'll let you enjoy your new dawn of Spyro.

TheManiacOnWheels · Jun 10, 2008 11:47 PM

bright and happy games don't sell well anymore?
Super Mario Galaxy, Wind Waker, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, Warioware, Okami, and a lot of other games have not only sold well but have done well with critics and audiences alike.
Also, note it's not just TEN that got bad reviews, and it's not just IGN. Even the gamers agree that the new games aren't as good as the Insomniac trilogy.
but seriously, bright and happy can sell fine and does.

I'm not saying they don't sell well anymore, I'm saying that they don't sell AS well anymore...with Spyro anyway *winces...AHT/ETD*. I'm a gamer, I don't see that T.L.o.S is any worse than Insomniac.
To Ratchet, Juice Box, and Fletch Talon: Sweet-Jesus-with-a-bazooka-gun I didn't expect to be answered by a bunch of T.L.o.S haters! I got that quote from a Sierra operative.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Ratchet, about the sales, I didn't check any of em' and I meant the...downfall games...ETD and AHT. I wasn't talking about Insomniac's games.

DragonFireOKN · Jun 10, 2008 11:57 PM

Face it, if more games like "A hero's tail" came out, the series would be dead. LoS is the only reason Spyro still exists. Insomniac is never coming back.

LordRattler · Jun 11, 2008 12:00 AM

Guys stop ARGUEING OVER THE GAMES NOW!!!

Yes some of us like the insomniac era better,some of us like the sierra era.

But BOTH changed...and have you ever seen a 2nd trilogy of spyro as sucessful as the los...if its sucessful for 2 games and gets a third game,I would say a best of the series....so basicly they both are EQUAL in a tie.....

Doppelgangergang · Jun 11, 2008 12:24 AM

DragonFireOKN wrote:

Face it, if more games like "A hero's tail" came out, the series would be dead. LoS is the only reason Spyro still exists. Insomniac is never coming back.

Thank you. smile

Mok · Jun 11, 2008 12:53 AM

DragonFireOKN wrote:

Face it, if more games like "A hero's tail" came out, the series would be dead. LoS is the only reason Spyro still exists. Insomniac is never coming back.

So you know everything about what is entertaining to everybody else, huh?

Well, granted, A Hero's Tail was pretty much garbage, but I get the distinct feeling that you are referring to the "classic" form of Spyro gameplay.

What really shocks me is that people here are getting into what would be the equivalent of a screaming arguement over a game about a small purple dragon. And what shocks me even more is that some people who prefer the LoS series, are openly trying to DENY they original Spyro's existence, which is just baffling.

I think I can safely assume that if Sony released the first thre Spyro games on PS2 as a bundle package ( like they did with the early Metal Gear Solid games), that it would probably sell much better than one of the LoS games. Mainly because people like to relive their past, even in trivial ways, such as video games.

I don't know why I'm really hoping for all of us to reach some sort of understanding by the end of this thread, in fact, I have serious doubts that we'll be able to bring this to a civil debate.

But you know what, here's a couple tips I'll give, in the hopes that maybe we can try for civility:

1. Don't insult the other's point of view ( In this case, stop saying the original Spyro is dead, or that he sucked and isn't "the real spyro"). Likewise, don't call the new Spyro an "imposter". I don't make or enforce the rules here, but this tip should be obvious. No matter how you try to degrade EITHER Spyro, you are NEVER going to change someone's mind. If someone prefers the Insomniac era, nothing you say is going to make them "See the light of The Legend of Spyro", because chances are they have already played it and just don't feel the same way as you do. This applies vice versa on both parties.

2. POSTING IN ALL CAPS MAKES MY OPINION MORE VALID! - No it doesn't, no one takes that seriously. Posting like this only destroys the possibility of a civil discussion, plus it makes you look like you're having a hissy fit.

Perhaps this is too much to hope for, but hey at least I'm trying

Syler Bladewing · Jun 11, 2008 1:13 AM

Ok, here's the problem. 90% of the reviewers were people who had played the originals, and thusly scored the game lower than a newly-introduced player. Plus, TLoS does have a better plot, and the addition of side charas that we really come to like is a huge plus. Enough said.

Fletch_Talon · Jun 11, 2008 1:20 AM

*twiddles thumbs waiting for a valid argument from the opposition*

"could someone get me a coffee i get the feeling ill be here for a while"

for those of you a little slow on the uptake, my point is that nothing you have said so far hasnt already been addressed

cute/fun doesnt sell as well: yes it does
spyro was dying: thats the producers fault not the game's
old spyro is dead for good: show me proof

"spyro wasnt replaced by an imposter, just another dragon who looks similar"

*DING*DING*DING*

we have a winner for stupidest comment of the year!!!

as for lord rattler, as nice as it would be for everyone to get on in a happy fun world the tLoS fanboys cant seem to stop themselves from opening their yaps to insult (not to be confused with debating) the old series with comments along the lines of "its dead D.E.D.D. dedd"

also acording to maniac a happy fun world wouldnt sell very well

Doppelgangergang · Jun 11, 2008 1:28 AM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

"spyro wasnt replaced by an imposter, just another dragon who looks similar"
*DING*DING*DING*
we have a winner for stupidest comment of the year!!!

I don't get it Fletch. Both dragons are purple, small, yellow/orange wings... Practically the same except the TLoS Spyro has sharper angles and purple pupils. o_O

Kamineko · Jun 11, 2008 2:13 AM

Syler Bladewing wrote:

Ok, here's the problem. 90% of the reviewers were people who had played the originals, and thusly scored the game lower than a newly-introduced player. Plus, TLoS does have a better plot, and the addition of side charas that we really come to like is a huge plus. Enough said.

That statement implies many things, a lot of them just plain false.

First off, yes the reviewers most likely played the original Spyro games. That's usually how it goes with games in a series. You play the originals first.

Also, that implies that the only way someone can like TLoS is if they never played the original Spyro. That's not a good thing. A good game can wow people no matter what they compare it to. Besides, review sites don't dock points because it's not as good as the one before it. Otherwise, something like... The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, would have gotten worse reviews, because they were comparing it to Ocarina of Time. But it did well anyway, because the reviewers can recognize a good game when they see it.

A Guy · Jun 11, 2008 2:26 AM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

*old spyro is for good: show me proof

Care to show me proof that he's coming back?

Doppelgangergang · Jun 11, 2008 2:28 AM

A Guy wrote:

Fletch_Talon wrote:
*old spyro is for good: show me proof
Care to show me proof that he's coming back?

PWNED. Seriously, he can't come back.

Fletch_Talon · Jun 11, 2008 3:17 AM

Doppelgangergang wrote:

A Guy wrote:
Fletch_Talon wrote:
*old spyro is for good: show me proof
Care to show me proof that he's coming back?
PWNED. Seriously, he can't come back.

dear god, HELLO CAN SOMEBODY GIVE ME PERMISSION TO CALL THEM IDIOTS NOW!!! I THINK THEYVE EARNED IT

WHEN THE *bad word* DID I SAY HE WAS COMING BACK

ANSWER I *bad word* DIDNT

you 2 on the other hand specifically state on multiple occasions that he isnt, not that "you think" he isnt, not that "you think" he shouldnt, you just make a judgement which is no way based in fact and then you think youve won some kind of victory with it

with every "haha you got pwned" comment you make regarding your non-existant arguments you emphasise your ignorance

and *bleep* ignorant people *bad word* me off

Fletch_Talon · Jun 11, 2008 3:19 AM

Doppelgangergang wrote:

Fletch_Talon wrote:
"spyro wasnt replaced by an imposter, just another dragon who looks similar"
*DING*DING*DING*
we have a winner for stupidest comment of the year!!!
I don't get it Fletch. Both dragons are purple, small, yellow/orange wings... Practically the same except the TLoS Spyro has sharper angles and purple pupils. o_O

btw

The new Spyro is still a purple dragon. A different dragon, not an impostor.

you said that doppel, that is what won the stupidest comment award
youve specifically said in that comment, that he's not an imposter, yet he is a different dragon

Doppelgangergang · Jun 11, 2008 3:21 AM

Um, A Guy, where did you pull that quote?

(Feel free to type a curse word, as it will get replaced by *bleep* automatically.)

shadowsfall · Jun 11, 2008 3:28 AM

(really? lets see *bleep* *bleep* hell *bleep* bastered)

Ayumi_the_Dark_Wolf · Jun 11, 2008 3:37 AM

(dont worry, test only: *bleep*, *bleep*....)

(LOL....it works fine...LOL except the "b" word....)

Doppelgangergang · Jun 11, 2008 3:39 AM

Shadowsfall, it won't work on misspelled curse words. Edit it out! big_smile

BACK ON TOPIC!

Kamineko · Jun 11, 2008 4:03 AM

shadowsfall wrote:

(really? lets see *bleep* *bleep* hell *bleep* bastered)

it's spelled *bleep*

EDIT: whoa why didn't it edit out?

Fletch_Talon · Jun 11, 2008 4:30 AM

lol, maybe because *bleep* and *bleep* are technically appropriate terms when used correctly

*bleep* = female canine
*bleep* = a child born when his/her parents arent married (thats why you are free to call me a *bleep*, i wont take offence)

but then technically most swear words (if not all) have a meaning beyond insulting people, unfortunately due to people taking offence to them, swear words have become something people find unacceptable

which is silly because a word is only as offensive as the intent of the person using it, i could call someone a turkey and mean it as an insult, whereas i could call someone a *bleep* and mean that they literally are a *bleep* (i wouldnt though due to the negative connotations attached to the word)

its kind of like how black people or african americans dont like white people to use the "N" word, because they instantly assume that its being used as an insult, but itsok for them to use amongst themselves because theyve universally decided to use it as a friendly term (though it still gets used as an insult occasionally)
now i think this is kind of silly, because not every white person is a racist, my opinion is that the word should either be removed completely from everyone's vocabulary, or evryone should be at liberty to use it and whether or not it insults someone should be based purely on the intentions of the person using it

also sorry i cracked before, it just gets annoying coming back after a good nights sleep to find that most things you say seem to go in one ear and out the other, and then to top it all off you see YOU GOT PWNED posted in a debate that you thought was finally (however slowly) becoming more civilised and intelligent.

and doppel if youre asking where I (not A Guy) got the quote from, its on the previous page, near the top, by you

Juice box · Jun 11, 2008 6:24 AM

Doppelgangergang wrote:

Fletch_Talon wrote:
tLoS didnt save spyro, it put him in a coma
Original Spyro is in a PERMANENT coma. Dead. Good as dead.

[cue trashy attitude]
Juice box wrote:
TheManiacOnWheels wrote:
T.L.o.S saved Spyro.
No, it simply replaced Spyro with an imposter. The real Spyro is long dead.
The new Spyro is still a purple dragon. A different dragon, not an impostor.
And, yes, the "real" Spyro (my rear end) is dead. Go live with it.
Juice box wrote:
We are allowed to complain about something if we want to. You make it seem as if you want to see the Original Spyro fans squirm because we've lost something we liked.
Hehehehe....
Juice box wrote:
Alot of the younger TLOS gamers would have never played the originals. Therefor they are being directly introduced to this imposter known as "TLOS". How can a kid just go on assuming that this is what Spyro has always been? The originals were an artwork if I may say so myself and alot of the younger TLOS gamers don't even know what they are.
Can't you clearly see why alot of people are upset about TLOS? The original Spyro games were some of the greatest PS1 games ever made, and now they have just been replaced with something stupid.
Boo, hoo cry!

Now you're just trying to be offensive. That's not cool. :-|

TheManiacOnWheels · Jun 11, 2008 6:41 AM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

*twiddles thumbs waiting for a valid argument from the opposition*
"could someone get me a coffee i get the feeling ill be here for a while"
for those of you a little slow on the uptake, my point is that nothing you have said so far hasnt already been addressed
cute/fun doesnt sell as well: yes it does
spyro was dying: thats the producers fault not the game's
old spyro is dead for good: show me proof
"spyro wasnt replaced by an imposter, just another dragon who looks similar"
*DING*DING*DING*
we have a winner for stupidest comment of the year!!!
as for lord rattler, as nice as it would be for everyone to get on in a happy fun world the tLoS fanboys cant seem to stop themselves from opening their yaps to insult (not to be confused with debating) the old series with comments along the lines of "its dead D.E.D.D. dedd"
also acording to maniac a happy fun world wouldnt sell very well

...Oh for God's sake Fletch Talon...You and other T.L.o.S bashers are just as bad if not worse. (Some of you, most of you are cool...don't take offense Ratchet or Juice Box.)
D*mn it, I made that comment about the bright and happy thing because the first two Spyro games not made by Insomniac were bright and happy but sucked *bleep*. This is getting out of hand. I agree with Juice Box, now we're just throwing insults at each other.

Fletch_Talon · Jun 11, 2008 6:52 AM

TheManiacOnWheels wrote:

Fletch_Talon wrote:
*twiddles thumbs waiting for a valid argument from the opposition*
"could someone get me a coffee i get the feeling ill be here for a while"
for those of you a little slow on the uptake, my point is that nothing you have said so far hasnt already been addressed
cute/fun doesnt sell as well: yes it does
spyro was dying: thats the producers fault not the game's
old spyro is dead for good: show me proof
"spyro wasnt replaced by an imposter, just another dragon who looks similar"
*DING*DING*DING*
we have a winner for stupidest comment of the year!!!
as for lord rattler, as nice as it would be for everyone to get on in a happy fun world the tLoS fanboys cant seem to stop themselves from opening their yaps to insult (not to be confused with debating) the old series with comments along the lines of "its dead D.E.D.D. dedd"
also acording to maniac a happy fun world wouldnt sell very well
...Oh for God's sake Fletch Talon...You and other T.L.o.S bashers are just as bad if not worse. (Some of you, most of you are cool...don't take offense Ratchet or Juice Box.)
D*mn it, I made that comment about the bright and happy thing because the first two Spyro games not made by Insomniac were bright and happy but sucked *bleep*. This is getting out of hand. I agree with Juice Box, now we're just throwing insults at each other.

ill have to ask you for some reasoning behind your argument, idlike to hear you explain how i am as bad, seriously id like to hear it.

and once again you use that term, tLoS basher, find a comment where i have insulted tLoS and i might consider accepting that title, but to best my recollection i defend and endorse old spyro, and repeatedly remind people of how i have no opinion on whether its a good game or not, in fact the only opinion ive heard from any "tLoS basher" is that they prefer the old spyro and that tLoS did not stay true to the original spyro games

as for the first 2 spyro games NOT MADE BY INSOMNIAC they were NOT MADE BY INSOMNIAC and instead were made by PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY DIDNT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING the first 3 spyro games, ever were happy and fun and extremely successful and awesome

so im going to wait here whilst you register all that and i look forward to you trying to explain yourself

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