The fight between new and old spyro

dragon protector x · Jun 06, 2008 5:04 AM

I will admit that the Los game play could have been a little better and the game itself could have been longer, but id say the story was awsome, and the characters were awsome. Even though i almost burst out laughing at Spyros new look, i grew to like it. and Cynder i am going to say has tied in favor with Spyro.

ratchet · Jun 06, 2008 7:08 AM

i think, Blaze and doppel, we'll have to agree to disagre on the whole "originals had no real story" thing, you 2 obviously think that the originals had no real story and was repetative in the collect, beat boss thing, but i think it wasn't due to it's large amounts of storylines in the one game and a decent number of cutscenes and ideas. But i guess iNsomniac wre just saying to themselves "well we're creating a collecting game, we should have a good reason to collect things, and theres ya storyline, expand on it if you want".
I agree that the originals didn't have the most detailed plot, but it did have a plot (especially Spyro 3).lets compare the plot to something like crash bandicoot, crash bandicoot 1, 2, 3, crash bash, WOC, THA.... all had th same villian, Neo Cortex. and most of the time Crash had to use Crystrals to get rid of him, either that or just uses crystals. Repeating.... Much? But many people still like Crash bandicoot.

Doppel: Dude, if you havn't noticed, the dragons are different in spyro 1 and 3 and the reason why you rescue them and such is different too. In spyro 1, Spyro had to rescue dragons which were trapped in cystal due to gnasty's spell that he cast out of revenge. In Spyro 3, however, Spyro must rescue the eggs which have been stolen supposebly because the dragon worlds want more magic but actually just because, in a twist, the sourcerous wants their wings to make a spell to make her immortal.
Oh, and saving dragons and saving avalar are too different things too, its like me saying with TLOS. In TLOS 1 you get kill cynder, then in TLOS 2 you kill Gaul then in TLOS 3 you kill DM, Its all Killing!

Blaze:Oh ok, so when you were referring to the strengths and weeknesses of insomniacs you were referring to all the games before TLOS? Ok, thats where i see it, but i'm just talking about the original, Insomniac games.

Blaze the Dragon · Jun 06, 2008 10:53 AM

I'm not saying there was no real storyline in Spyro the Dragon ----> Shadow Legacy. There definitely was a real storyline, as well as cutscenes.

Reivan · Jun 06, 2008 11:31 AM

Sails_the_Fox wrote:

people are pretty STUPID! if they don't like the newer spyro. the newer spyro is cooler! no one should hate it! i think its the REAL spyro!

no i have to dissagree there. That comment had no base. I love the origionals nut they are just a bit.. well... i dont know but i dnt feel like playing them at the mo'. (well actually since iv finished TEN about 4 times and iv finished ANB im not playing them right now either... Just sitting back and waiting...) There is no "Real" spyro but if you had to say one then the originals are the "Real" spyro. I like TLoS better but it is NEW spyro, if you will. Also they are different types of games. while both are puzzles, the new games are darker and more appealing to the modern child.

Doppelgangergang · Jun 06, 2008 1:10 PM

Goodness, ratchet. Another wall of text.

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Press that button every 3 to 4 lines, will ya?

ratchet wrote:

you 2 obviously think that the originals had no real story and was repetative in the collect, beat boss thing, but i think it wasn't due to it's large amounts of storylines in the one game and a decent number of cutscenes and ideas.

I'm still correct. Repetitive storyline is like a repetitive book. IT SUCKS *bleep*!

Doppel: Dude, if you havn't noticed, the dragons are different in spyro 1 and 3 and the reason why you rescue them and such is different too.

Dragon elders and dragon eggs. Both are dragons, and thus the same!

In TLOS 1 you get kill cynder, then in TLOS 2 you kill Gaul then in TLOS 3 you kill DM, Its all Killing!

TLoS is like a dark movie. I can compare it to the Lord of the Rings (watched them all) and I can compare the story to Eragon and Eldest. It packs a great amount of action, and you can't get any action without one of the characters getting hurt, no?

ratchet · Jun 07, 2008 10:16 AM

Doppelgangergang wrote:

Goodness, ratchet. Another wall of text.
[URL=http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cb055744nd2.jpg][/URL]
Press that button every 3 to 4 lines, will ya?.

Many books have walls of text, deal with it and stop trying to find reasons to argue with me.

ratchet wrote:
you 2 obviously think that the originals had no real story and was repetative in the collect, beat boss thing, but i think it wasn't due to it's large amounts of storylines in the one game and a decent number of cutscenes and ideas.
I'm still correct. Repetitive storyline is like a repetitive book. IT SUCKS *bleep*!

I've already explained why The Original Storline wasn't repetative so stop saying things about how bad repetative storylines are. Oh Doppel, i have a challenge for you, go to the maro forums and go say that to a whole lot of fans. say how many times princess peach got kidnapped by bowser and mario had to save her. and there was always goombas and coins and turtles and pipes. Look Doppel, Mario's storyline was repetative as heck, but nobody cared, why do you? Because Playing a game is like reading a book, i dont think so? Oh and just for the record, i'm not defending spyro when i say that, so stop saying things like "Repetative storylines suck, so hence original spyro sucked".

Doppel: Dude, if you havn't noticed, the dragons are different in spyro 1 and 3 and the reason why you rescue them and such is different too.
Dragon elders and dragon eggs. Both are dragons, and thus the same!

Hmmm, kind of like the monkeys in TLOS 1 and 2.
Monkeys+ like every enemy= Repetative Storyline.
It would make sense that Spyro would be rescuing his own kind instead of something like a Panda, oh wait, he did do that, IN BAMBOO TERRACE!

In TLOS 1 you get kill cynder, then in TLOS 2 you kill Gaul then in TLOS 3 you kill DM, Its all Killing!
TLoS is like a dark movie. I can compare it to the Lord of the Rings (watched them all) and I can compare the story to Eragon and Eldest. It packs a great amount of action, and you can't get any action without one of the characters getting hurt, no?

Blaze the Dragon · Jun 07, 2008 11:20 AM

I agree with ratchet on the whole "no real Spyro" situation. Honestly, I'm surprised that you said that ratchet, since you've spent all this time calling TLoS Spyro an "impostor." Anyway, I'm through arguing about this. Arguing brings out nothing but flame wars. The people who prefer the original series have their opinion, and the people who prefer TLoS have theirs.

As for myself, I like both series the same, because they were both fun/great in their own, respective ways.

Doppelgangergang · Jun 07, 2008 12:27 PM

Okay, how about I bomb the thread before it gets out of hand.

Well, screw it.

OOC: I just got to chuckle at this:

There really isn;t a real "spyro", they are 2 different things. Spyro A and Spyro B.

There. Now somebody agrees they are different like a tomato and airplane and not to be bashed because hey are two different things. smile

ratchet · Jun 07, 2008 1:25 PM

I think you misunderstood me, Blaze.
They are 2 different Spyros BUT it is the same spyro as the same series. I mean its not like they are 2 different series. New Spyro being an imposter is about how Sierra chose to make a new Spyro, though they are 2 different spyros. The original Spyro is the "real" one in his universe and the TLOS one is "real" in his universe, none of them is fake.
Its hard to explain, do me a favour and dont worry about it.
But The two Spyros are compared because we argue on the whole "why should new spyro even need to exist".

And dont worry about bombing this topic Doppel, its made for debate, but dont take it too seriously smile

Doppelgangergang · Jun 07, 2008 2:03 PM

ratchet wrote:

"why should new spyro even need to exist".

Since this is a "fight between new and old spyro," I'm going to ramp things up, my way. :devil:

Okay, first of all, the originals have lost their appeal because of Check Six Studios and their Enter the Dragonfly.

Upon looking up on Google, Check Six has closed down years ago. Looking at THIS archive, Check Six was founded on 2001 and Spyro was their very first game. Their website looks like as if it was pieced by a bunch of (for lacking a better term) n00bz and it has some grammatical errors slapped on it. Why did the owners of Spyro, with such a beautiful franchise, picked this newbie company? This escapes me.

Now then I lost interest in Spyro after the too-easy GBA titles. Then I tried ANB. Loved it. Then I tried TEN, liked it even more. It kinda jack-started what was lost.

ratchet · Jun 07, 2008 2:26 PM

Yep, Siera were being idiots when they chose Check Six. I wish Sierra spanoff spyro for a bit and then came back in 2005 with a bang! With a great game much like the originals but changed into perfection.
Wiping Spyro clean was not good, because it removed Spyro, its like a whole new Series, not cool to fans!

A Guy · Jun 07, 2008 2:55 PM

ratchet wrote:

Yep, Siera were being idiots when they chose Check Six. I wish Sierra spanoff spyro for a bit and then came back in 2005 with a bang! With a great game much like the originals but changed into perfection.
Wiping Spyro clean was not good, because it removed Spyro, its like a whole new Series, not cool to fans!

Speak for yourself.

Doppelgangergang · Jun 07, 2008 2:55 PM

I know how that felt when my favorite series has been changed, so don't bash me for saying "Doppel does not know how it feels, boo hoo hoo1!"

I was like a total fan of the fantaserye on the TV station GMA 7, in the Philippines. I even hid a small TV in my bed just to watch every episode every night! big_smile I loved the TV series Mulawin, Encantadia, Etheria, Sugo, Lupin and the movie (don't laugh, Zekira Drake) Volta. But well, I followed the series and then all my favorites has ended, epically. The ending for every one of them was still stuck in my head. The next one was Asian Treasures. I HATED IT. I said "maybe the next ones will be better!" But, NO! The next ones were utter crap that I did not watch the "fantaserye" series again. :-[

So, as much as I like change, I feel your pain when you don't like change. :'(

dragon protector x · Jun 08, 2008 4:59 AM

*jumps into bomb Shelter when this big fight starts*

ratchet · Jun 08, 2008 7:26 AM

Alright, I'm happy that you respect my opinion Doppel, and in return i respect yours! I know that there is no point fighting because:
A.None is really "better"
B.it wont change anything (unless the developers are monitoring the Forum)
But, discussion is ok, it gets rid of the anger and is perfectly healthy. The trick is not to take the arguments too seriously and just take it as a friendly debate.

Doppelgangergang · Jun 08, 2008 12:57 PM

ratchet wrote:

Alright, I'm happy that you respect my opinion Doppel, and in return i respect yours!

Well, I'm a fan of different things.

But, discussion is ok, it gets rid of the anger and is perfectly healthy. The trick is not to take the arguments too seriously and just take it as a friendly debate.

Okay, I'm still having my trashy attitude against the TLoS Bashers. big_smile

Juice box · Jun 08, 2008 1:07 PM

Okay, I'm still having my trashy attitude against the TLoS Bashers.

Well what's wrong with being a "TLOS basher" anyway? I don't get it. I'll be one if I want and I'll enjoy it. TLOS is a disgrace.

Doppelgangergang · Jun 08, 2008 1:13 PM

Juice box wrote:

Okay, I'm still having my trashy attitude against the TLoS Bashers.
Well what's wrong with being a "TLOS basher" anyway? I don't get it. I'll be one if I want and I'll enjoy it. TLOS is a disgrace.

What's wrong with being a "TLoS Basher Basher" anyway? I don't get it. I'll be one if I want and I will have a helluva good time. TLoS Bashers are getting on my nerves and must be bashed like playing whack-a-mole.

ratchet · Jun 08, 2008 1:27 PM

theres nothing wrong about being a tlos basher basher either

Doppelgangergang · Jun 08, 2008 2:20 PM

ratchet wrote:

theres nothing wrong about being a tlos basher basher either

So I can start using one-liner insults? big_smile

ratchet · Jun 09, 2008 12:41 AM

um, you already can, I am just saying that those things are unneeded and you really shouldn't pick on other people, but on the games. I guess the difference between a TLOS basher and a TLOS basher basher isthat TLOS basher bashers bash up on people (the TLOS bashers) while the TLOS bashers just Bash TLOS. So if you're going to just bash me up, and tell me things like "Insomniac will never return" or "go and have a cry because original spyro is GONE" well then i'd really like it if you not do those things.

Doppelgangergang · Jun 09, 2008 12:42 AM

Well, that was cute.

A Guy · Jun 09, 2008 12:43 AM

TLoS bashers are fighting a losing battle. No amount of whining, bashing, flaming, or crying will change anything.

Juice box · Jun 09, 2008 1:08 AM

So what if there was no real storyline in the originals? The gameplay was much better that's for sure. The level designs were better as well and the enemies. What the heck's with all of the monkeys running around in TLOS? So boring, seriously. Not enough variety and what's with the fighting? Spyro was never supposed to be violent. And the way Spyro fights in TLOS looks so stupid! He just slaps people and jumps around twisting in the air! Stupidest thing ever. Call me a TLOS basher. I don't really care, because I am one! Muahahahahaha!!!!! :-|

Kamineko · Jun 09, 2008 2:41 AM

Original Spyro wins for a variety of reasons. More charm instead of the done-to-death "chosen one" style thing the LoS has going. It was actually a pretty original and revolutionary game for its time. It was simple yet brilliant, like Mario.

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