Do you beileve dragons exist?

Ayumi_the_Dark_Wolf · May 28, 2008 3:01 AM

darned Debug....it thinks you are spamming....anyway....i do believe, yet i dont.....or do i?

Orthas · May 28, 2008 11:35 AM

heh...everyone is free to believe what he want...and the people that don't respect their opinion can get lost

reddragon12 · May 28, 2008 12:35 PM

i believe they exist how would different countries thousens of miles apart and no comunication
make up the same creature with identical experiences it's just so possiable and believeable

Orthas · May 28, 2008 2:01 PM

the world is plenty of mystery and legends some of them can be real and some not...i believe that the legend of the dragons are true

reddragon12 · May 28, 2008 2:03 PM

all evedence suports it

Orthas · May 28, 2008 2:05 PM

i saw a short documental where dragon bones were founded...but can't find it atm

reddragon12 · May 28, 2008 2:07 PM

IT'S PERFECTLY PLAUSABLE

Orthas · May 28, 2008 2:11 PM

hmmm maybe...but one question still stand...where they are????

reddragon12 · May 28, 2008 2:13 PM

hiding
away from the human race

Orthas · May 28, 2008 2:18 PM

and they do well...if we found them they will get extint in no time...

reddragon12 · May 28, 2008 2:20 PM

not nesicarily
we could over populate them

Orthas · May 28, 2008 2:22 PM

or use them to bad things...i think that is better to not find them...

reddragon12 · May 28, 2008 2:23 PM

yeah things should be left as they are

ontels · May 28, 2008 5:56 PM

well I would like emphesis on like dragons to excist and maybe they do but lets be realistic does enyone in this intire forum have any proof and I mean PROOF not "I saw them in my dreams" or anything like that against or for dragons excisting?

Orthas · May 29, 2008 1:22 AM

i said that there was a documental on internet a bout them...but i can't found it and can't say if it was true...so i have to say no...i have no proof

Fletch_Talon · May 29, 2008 2:16 AM

Orthas wrote:

i said that there was a documental on internet a bout them...but i can't found it and can't say if it was true...so i have to say no...i have no proof

the only issue with that is that

a) its on the internet

and

b) it could quite easily be a hoax

if they had found any evidence of a dragon like creature then the public would be very aware of it

i think the most likely explanation of dragon mythology in different countries is that they may have found fossil evidence of dinosaurs and from that deduced that there used to be large scary beasts with big teeth and from that stories would be told and like chinese whispers the facts become more and more far fetched

another possibility is that, since originally whether you believe in adam and eve or evolution (or a combination of both i call adam and evelution) the majority of humans will have originated from one place (garden of eden or somewhere in africa perhaps) and then migrated, if stories were told of dragons were told then, they would have spread all over the world

or, to please those of you who really want them to be real, its possible they once existed but became extinct, in which case fossil evidence may not exist, since remains need specific conditions to fossilise

or for those who need them to be real and still alive, they may be hiding underwater, since there is so much ocean we know nothing about, they might be hiding in volcanoes since we cant go in there and find them, they might be buried under mountains they might be magically invisible, they might be on the moon they might be in area 51, they might not be as big as people thought

basically my point is that there are a heck of a lot of possibilities, some more likely than others, its really just ridiculous to say any one possibility is correct, thats not saying you cant look at something and say, "i think thats what happened" but its hoenstly not knowing until you have proof

FUN FACT
cultures world wide have flood myths, and a lot of them are portrayed as occurring at the same time, does this mean god made it rain for 40 days and nights and noah built an ark to survive, not necessarily, i think it more likely that there was some world event which caused massive water levels world wide, perhaps the ice caps melted considerably, or some celestial body affected tides in the same way that the moon does

in other words, just cuz a lot of people believed the same (or similar things) doesnt necessarily mean its true

also (sorry this is so long) as far as dragons go, the only cultures i can think of with dragons are Asia, Scandinavia and parts of Europe, and i would think Europe may have gotten their myths from Scandinavia when Vikings invaded (especially with their dragon boats coming on shore)

Sonic Wrath · May 29, 2008 2:21 AM

lol no

Although I love dragons, if you think about it, There is no way a giant reptile could fly with a body that big plus breath fire and not melt their neck off. Sorry but its uncanny that 21 people believe they do exist. No offense but srsly, come on

Fletch_Talon · May 29, 2008 2:31 AM

Sonic Wrath wrote:

lol no
Although I love dragons, if you think about it, There is no way a giant reptile could fly with a body that big plus breath fire and not melt their neck off. Sorry but its uncanny that 21 people believe they do exist. No offense but srsly, come on

evolution (or if youre religious, god) work in funny ways, even birds couldnt fly if they didnt have hollow bone structure, perhaps dragons do too, and frankly who's to say that dragons (if they do exist) are really as big as stories lead us to believe im sure there are plenty of myths out there that could be based on fact (king arthur?) that have been exaggerated a lot

as for firey breath, yes its not likely that evolution would lead to a creature with this ability, and why would any god create such a creature, breathing fire doesnt really have a place in any ecosystem, especially not when dragons already have claws and fangs with which to defend themselves, but just because its not need doesnt mean its not possible

you say they would burn their throats off, not if the flame is produced outside of the throat and mouth, a liquid could be sprayed which may be activated either by some kind of sparking organ in the mouth, or it could just produce flame when in contact with oxygen

saying its impossible is just as bad as saying its definite, improbable is the best choice of words

reddragon12 · May 29, 2008 9:25 AM

but think befor we discovered the world was round
no comunication were made to far countries but they each claim a mithological creature
of the same qalities and aperance behaveur but how would they know without the
comunication that's got to be some sorta proof

Fletch_Talon · May 29, 2008 9:59 AM

reddragon12 wrote:

but think befor we discovered the world was round
no comunication were made to far countries but they each claim a mithological creature
of the same qalities and aperance behaveur but how would they know without the
comunication that's got to be some sorta proof

as i just said, if human beings all originated from a single place and continent like many people believe they did (ive heard Africa named as the spot where humans evolved and then began migrating from) then any stories told there may have travelled with them

and again i have to ask, where apart from Asia (japan china thailand etc.) and Scandinavia (the Vikings) were dragons heard of, and keep in mind most places in Europe dont count since they would have felt the influence of viking raiders in their aptly named dragon boats

youll note there are no dragon stories here in Australia, theres a story about a rainbow snake, but the most common image of dragons dont really resemble snakes

no dragons in ancient greece and rome, hydra dont really count the only similarity is that theyre big and slightly reptillian, but they also have multiple heads and breathed poison not fire

but even after all that, its still not proof, because every culture has a very different view of what a dragon looks like, they might have four legs no legs 2 legs 200 legs (i dunno) the can be furred feathered or scaled, sometimes they fly, sometimes they dont (sometimes they do but they dont have wings, what the???)

i think it more likely they are simply based on scary stuff, you look at a lizard, its not very scary i guess, but back then all people would see is, armour like skin, claws and spikes in every possible place, and sharp teeth, then what else threatens humans, fire, because if it gets out of control they have no way of stopping it, and look at that, huge roaring noises from the sky, and suddenly a fire comes from nowhere (though we now know lightning to be a cause of wildfires) it must be a flying creature of somekind

so sorry, there really isnt any evidence that they exist, but at least theres no concrete evidence that they dont either

EDIT: oh and as for behaviour being the same, some cultures said they were evil, others said good, some said they were beasts, some said they were intelligent, some said they were gods... and so on

reddragon12 · May 29, 2008 10:28 AM

different cultures
diferent countries
we're going back 1000s of years
when comunication was to your neighbouring country
and so if there are no stories in australia it doen't meen that they never existed

Fletch_Talon · May 29, 2008 10:59 AM

it astounds me how you can manage to miss a point twice in a row, i know my posts are long, but you could at least scan to the sections where i explain why your theory isnt inexplicable

Religion
the main religion youll hear about nowadays is christianity, so lets look at it from their viewpoint

adam and eve in the garden of eden see something that scares them its some big lizardy type thing
adam and eve pass down story to their children
and children's children
and children's children's children
their children's children's children add something about the lizard breathing fire
so on and so forth

if all humans originated in that one spot (the garden of eden) then all it would take is one story and then resulting generations could potentially take that story (or a similar one) with them when they inevetibly migrate to become all the cultures of the world

Evolution
in a small area of lets say africa, there were some monkeys, now one day, one of these monkeys was a bit smarter than the rest, he gave birth to smart monkeys who gave birth to... you get the point... i hope

eventually we get humans, a small number of them, and oh no! fire, and lots of it, it came from nowhere, and we cant control it, surely something must be behind it
"ug think it was pretty flashy stuff that come from sky"
dont be stupid ug, it must have been a dragon
"whats a dragon"
i dunno but it has to be scary looking, like a big one of those things we call lizards
"then why dont we ever see them"
because... uh... they can fly, thats why we hear loud noises in the sky during storms, its the monster growling

the small tribe, happy with this explanation pass down these stories, until eventually they realise, we cant all fit on this continent, some of us should move, so they did, and after that day humans were found all over the world, and some of them remembered the story of dragons and they told it to their children, who forgot some of the story and added their own stuff

HOORAY FOR THINKING THINGS THROUGH

and again i ask, apart from Scandinavia and Asia, what areas had dragons

reddragon12 · May 29, 2008 11:07 AM

that is a good piont
and as for your question at the bottom
i have no clue what so ever

Fire-Tail · May 30, 2008 11:16 PM

I belive in dragons because you never know if they used to live when the dinos were around so I belive in dragons :

MS300 · May 30, 2008 11:33 PM

I believe in dragons too! I always day dream about them and make some art on them.

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