Am I the only one worried about the world these days ???????

Spikey the dragoness · Apr 30, 2008 4:53 PM

reddragon 12 so you would rather an animal be treated like a human and locked up if it did something wrong? If a human does something wrong then they are monitored by police for their entire remaining life. It is cruel to control what an animal does all its life, it would be miserable. For example dogs enjoy playing with children and other dogs. If it killed a child and was given a second chance it would still want to play with children but you would watch it closely all of the time and it would never get to play with them like it used to, also if it was in the mood for it it would likely attack another one because as its done it before it would assume its OK to do that. Don't get me wrong with all that I have been saying. I love animals, as I always have done. But I do not think that they should be treated as people, because they aren't people. Animals do not think like humans, they do not know about other people and animals rights and personal space, my dog Ozzy bounding into the bathroom this morning as I was getting out of the shower is a prime example. He was just happy to see me, he didn't know that I didn't really want him jumping around me at the time and it made no difference to him. While I believe life is sacred, everything has the right to live, I also believe that an animal is an animal, it is not a human and they don't want to be treated like us. Its considered cruel to dress a dog up in clothes and treat it like a baby. It isn't a baby and I doubt it really enjoys being dressed up in itchy hot clothes when its got its own fur.
thats so like rd12 tataly i should no im her best friend!

reddragon12 · Apr 30, 2008 5:12 PM

ok then but then why should the person who
took someones life continue when an animal
has to die and that fithy minded person lives
it's not right in my oppinion

Phoenix_Flyer · Apr 30, 2008 8:09 PM

I agree, the law is waaay too slack these days. A person in prison gets satellite TV, gym facilities and a menu for when they eat! Many have said they would rather be sent to prison than go on bail. Similarly in Young Offenders Institutes, they get a games console in their quarters! That isn't right, they should make going to prison a horrible place to be, with only the bare nessessities for human rights. If that. Oh and by the way, only primates, meerkats and some kinds of bird live in family communities. Aicebo is right, once most animals grow up they don't give a toss about their family any more, and are unlikely to recognise them if they crossed paths again. As I said animals aren't people and should not be treated as if they are. They should be treated with love and respect yes, but they don't need to be babied. Most animals could take care of themselves if they had to, unless in circumstances where they cannot survive a climate.

Aicebo · Apr 30, 2008 9:56 PM

reddragon12 wrote:

ok then but then why should the person who
took someones life continue when an animal
has to die and that fithy minded person lives
it's not right in my oppinion

Have you ever read Hachet?
"In order for me to live, something must die".
Some people that are stranded in the woods in the middle of nowhere don't just have chips and soda. They have to kill to live.

Spyro_Loves_Me · May 01, 2008 4:35 AM

It's life. There's nothing we can do to change it. We're just following the life cycle. All the people complaining about it are just going to have to get over it. The whole world isn't going to switch to eating veggies all day. I'm certainly not.

Misa · May 01, 2008 5:36 AM

I was watching is very intersting doc about AL Gore (excuse my spelling, sorry) and it was him telling people about global warning. Oh my gosh, guys we need to act NOW! The amount of Carbon in the air is terrible, the ice caps is melting and for anyone who lives in the costal regions, this is very VERY bad new for you. We need to get this message aross, Global Warning is happening now, and we still can reduce it.

This can only work if the world get along

bmah · May 01, 2008 7:47 AM

Whats Al Gore says is true, but his highly-watched documentary deliberately makes the whole situation evermore sensational - it's not 100% pure fact you can rely on, since it's exaggerated to some extent. Misa fell for it. ):
But I'm sure most of us know of the problem already.
And yes, it is true that coastal populations may be in trouble.

While I won't say that efforts to reduce CO2 and other greenhouse gases are futile, I can bet that efforts to the best of our abilities will only amount to a fraction of a difference in gas emission reduction, in the end. Also, humans tend to find more (new) ways in creating more emissions than ways to decrease them. For example, studies are revealing that biofuel such as corn ethanol may increase greenhouse gas emissions, perhaps twice that of gasoline.

Misa · May 01, 2008 9:32 AM

Hey! It made more sense! <.< I trust in him

Phoenix_Flyer · May 01, 2008 10:09 AM

Global Warming is happening and quite frankly I don't think we'll be able to stop it. Its been said that the coral reefs will die from coral bleaching in the next 50 years and that can't be stopped. I think most people here have seen simulations of how high the water could go, just 1 or 2 metres higher and London and New York will be flooded. As I said earlier these adverts that say 'there is now more CO2 in the atmosphere than the Earth can handle' is a load of bollycocks. Its not Earth that will die, life will recover as it did after the major extinctions at the end of the permian and cretaceous eras. Its whether or not civilisation will survive which is the problem.

Misa · May 01, 2008 10:11 AM

Its terrible to think about, but there is couples way to reduce it, plant some trees!

Phoenix_Flyer · May 01, 2008 10:16 AM

There were loads of trees when the dinosaurs were alive and it was waaaay hotter then than it is now and the sea level was much higher too. Planting trees won't stop the Earth warming up. Its gonna warm up anyway, we humans are just accelerating it.

ratchet · May 01, 2008 12:06 PM

meh, i've said enough Global warming is either Fake or shouldn't be worried about.

reddragon12 · May 01, 2008 3:46 PM

Misa wrote:

Its terrible to think about, but there is couples way to reduce it, plant some trees!

I AGREE BUT NOT JUST THAT LOOK AFTER AN INJURED ANIMAL (I DO)
OR TRY TO CARE (AND IT'S CAPS BECAUSE I AM SHOUTING)

Kat · May 01, 2008 4:57 PM

ratchet wrote:

meh, i've said enough Global warming is either Fake or shouldn't be worried about.

I am also of this opinion. I'm very sensitive about saying it (global warming being a farce) anywhere because I'm usually either attacked or laughed at and called an uncaring idiot. It's like, gee people, I'm sorry for not being convinced by some video footage of polar bears swimming in a mud puddle, but to tell you the truth it's just not that big of a deal.

I could list a billion things wrong with the earth right now, 99% of them caused by the human race. However, I don't believe we should all hate ourselves and our own race BECAUSE of it - everything, and I mean everything, down to the last leaf falling from a tree, happens for a reason.

And I don't believe we need to plant more trees. This is possibly because I live in a neighborhood on a dirt road in the woods so I'm constantly surrounded by allergy-inducing leafgrowers every spring, thank you, and I don't want any more as I'm suffering enough as it is. smile

reddragon12 · May 01, 2008 6:11 PM

well i care aboput the planet and if u don't then i wont change that but see my point this planet is everyones home and pollution is at an alltime high and the planet is heating up naturaly but also because of our pollution and do think that that is fair when this is our home our planet and were destroing it for our own greed

Aicebo · May 01, 2008 6:25 PM

reddragon12 wrote:

well i care aboput the planet and if u don't then i wont change that but see my point this planet is everyones home and pollution is at an alltime high and the planet is heating up naturaly but also because of our pollution and do think that that is fair when this is our home our planet and were destroing it for our own greed

Our own greed?
Well, there's a rise in population so that some forests do need to be taken down in order to provide homes for people.

Kat · May 01, 2008 6:29 PM

I care about the planet too, I just know we can't do anything about it. A whole 5% of the world's population would be willing to actively help stop pollution, but do you really believe the common American/anything citizen would be willing to pay out the nose for an electric car and give up the convenience of simply throwing everything in the trash? Sure, they talk big - "yeah I'll conserve water, I'll do all this great stuff to help our planet" - and one week later they're taking three showers a day and walking past recycling bins.

Apparently it's just too much effort for our lazy selves. XD

And yes, greed does consume us more than usual lately. Buy, buy, buy, make more money, make more money... although my grandparents who are RETIRED hoard their money and are unwilling to spend it on anything but the cheapest food, items and clothes. I don't understand it, are they planning on taking it all to the grave with them Egyptian-style? They don't even enjoy themselves anymore...
Anyway. All I'm saying is, I don't see most people taking a huge role in this saving-the-world business. Convenience is the new god. *Shakes head*

DragonWithinMe · May 01, 2008 6:52 PM

I care about the world, but I have bigger problems in my life. There is also one another thing...

ontels · May 01, 2008 7:12 PM

unless your going to say what that other thing is I think Ill continue the topic
I really think were making a big deal out of a small thing the only reason people make a big fus is because they saw the movie the day after tommorow

bmah · May 02, 2008 1:14 AM

Phoenix_Flyer wrote:

As I said earlier these adverts that say 'there is now more CO2 in the atmosphere than the Earth can handle' is a load of bollycocks.

That statement there is wrong, but it's often conceived that way. The Earth can handle a load more of CO2 (well let's say greenhouse gases in general) - as you said, the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere was a lot higher several times in the past, from the Jurassic period to even during the Middle Ages.
The correct statement should be: "The RATE at which greenhouse gases has been rising is much faster than it has been in the past." Rate, not the amount of CO2 the atmosphere can handle.

edit: Phoenix Flyer on the top of this page got it right.

reddragon12 wrote:

well i care aboput the planet and if u don't then i wont change that but see my point this planet is everyones home and pollution is at an alltime high and the planet is heating up naturaly but also because of our pollution and do think that that is fair when this is our home our planet and were destroing it for our own greed

Can't you understand that other people place their importance on different things? Your arguments show that your ideologies are in contrast to those whose don't believe that environmental issues are on the top of the list (and that's ok), so the argument is at a stalemate. Reread the post I've made a bit earlier.

Misa · May 02, 2008 10:12 AM

Sorry bmah but I agree with reddragon12, humans are greedy, no offense but just look to what is it now, the last beauitful habits are getting ruined and for what? The amzone (once again excuse my spelling) is getting cut down for people to breed cows that later use for Mc Donalds ect. Global Warning is real, and its happening. Yeah I know other people got a social life but you can do little things to help to reduce it.

Phoenix_Flyer · May 02, 2008 10:17 AM

Global Warming will happen whether we do something or not. Its a case of slowing it down so the civilisation and animals have a chance to adapt.

Misa · May 02, 2008 10:19 AM

It is happening, it happening for a while now.

Phoenix_Flyer · May 02, 2008 12:26 PM

I didn't say it isn't happening I meant that we can't stop Climate Change, it will happen whether we like it or not. The data suggests it has been happening since the glaciers retreated but since the Industrial Revolution it has accelerated. The 'normal' temperatures for us are the Earth just after a major Ice Age. We are now experiencing a period of warming. Ice on the poles is pretty rare if you look back in history, there used to be huge forests on the Poles! By burning fossil fuels etc we are accelerating climate change at a rate that animals can't adapt to. THATS the problem, normally animals will adapt and change to suit the environment, though the problem is this Natural Selection takes many generations. At the current rate of change animals and plants who prefer it cold can't adapt quick enough. Which is the problem with many native British species of tree that prefer cooler temperatures. Another example is of a European Butterfly (the name of it escapes me) which can only survive warmer temperatures down South. It has now extended its range North, so the temperatures in the UK must be increasing. I'm not gonna call it Global Warming anymore because most places won't actually warm up, they will cool. The UK for example. Fresh water from the melting Ice Caps will cause the Gulf Stream to stop, the Gulf stream is what keeps the UK at a temperate climate by supplying warm water from the Gulf of Mexico. Without it the UK wil experience temperatures similar to that of Canada.

pur · May 02, 2008 12:51 PM

Phoenix_Flyer wrote:

data suggests it has been happening since the glaciers retreated but since the Industrial Revolution it has accelerated.

Accelerated being the word. Global Warming has always existed, but it's never been so fast. THAT is the concern behind it.

But still, we're overdue a Super-eruption, a Mega-Tsunami, a Giant asteroid, we're going to run out of fossil fuels in about 20 years and we don't have enough alternative fuel, yet. We might kill ourselves in a WW3, before then.

Nothing to worry about, obviously.

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