My thoughts on Proposition 8

cooldude22345 · Nov 08, 2008 3:12 AM

I think that homosexuality is wrong, but people are what they are... I can't change that.

My thoughts on prop 8 are negative. I don't wan't gay marriage to be allowed, but I don't care if it's allowed and I won't do anything about it.

I used to THINK I was bisexual, but then I was given something that made me think otherwise.

RaidonMakoto · Nov 08, 2008 3:25 AM

DDR_Maniac wrote:

My thought on this issue: I don't really see why they have to be legally married. Isn't marriage a religious ceremony anyway?

When the government offers tax cuts for people who are married under the law, then it ceases to be a religious union because of the separation of church and state.

heterosexual's root word is sexual, meaning sexual attraction.
5 year olds don't have sexual attraction.

You're telling me that you never had a dirty thought in your head until you reached puberty?

I doubt that wholly.

Kamineko · Nov 08, 2008 3:45 AM

RaidonMakoto wrote:

DDR_Maniac wrote:
My thought on this issue: I don't really see why they have to be legally married. Isn't marriage a religious ceremony anyway?
When the government offers tax cuts for people who are married under the law, then it ceases to be a religious union because of the separation of church and state.
heterosexual's root word is sexual, meaning sexual attraction.
5 year olds don't have sexual attraction.
You're telling me that you never had a dirty thought in your head until you reached puberty?
I doubt that wholly.

Dirty thought is not the same as sexual attraction.

Hell I can look at a guy and think a dirty thought, but that does not equate to sexual attraction.

You begin to understand who (or in some cases, what) you are attracted to in a sexual manner during puberty. Other than that, it's either "oh I lik this person" when you're in grade school, or "hurr hurr dirty words" when you learn what sex is.

But you can't tell me that when you were five or even ten you thought about anybody "man this person is sexually attractive to me and I would not mind making sex with this person at all".

That is something that I doubt wholly.

saphira17 · Nov 08, 2008 4:04 AM

I'm against gay marriage for my reasons, but one of the biggest issues is that their adopted children are frowned upon. I knew someone who got kicked out of school because she had two moms. Sad. But honestly, being bisexual is kinda selfish. You cant have just one or the other? And besides, it was Adama and Eve, not Adam and Steve. And it kinda scares people that aren't gay. I have to agree with altresac about the whole being heterosexual at 5 being a little off. I have a five year old sibling, and trust me, he's not thinking anything along those lines. Not to mention the fact he is extremely advanced for his age.

TornWings · Nov 08, 2008 5:02 AM

Odds of that last post getting a negative reaction- 85%

I've...hesitated to post in this topic. I'm not sure what to think of the whole situation.

Aicebo · Nov 08, 2008 5:28 AM

IMO, you can't help who you fall in love with.
And the adoption thing just bothers me.
Straight people can have their own kids, and there are SOME straight people that will adopt.
But since homosexuals can't have kids themselves I think that they'd be more likely to adopt if they want kids.
There would be less kids in orphanages if they can continue to adopt, and it's not a bad thing...

RaidonMakoto · Nov 08, 2008 5:59 AM

Atresac wrote:

Dirty thought is not the same as sexual attraction.
Hell I can look at a guy and think a dirty thought, but that does not equate to sexual attraction.
You begin to understand who (or in some cases, what) you are attracted to in a sexual manner during puberty. Other than that, it's either "oh I lik this person" when you're in grade school, or "hurr hurr dirty words" when you learn what sex is.
But you can't tell me that when you were five or even ten you thought about anybody "man this person is sexually attractive to me and I would not mind making sex with this person at all".
That is something that I doubt wholly.

I can say that, yes, I did at that age. wink

I'm against gay marriage for my reasons, but one of the biggest issues is that their adopted children are frowned upon. I knew someone who got kicked out of school because she had two moms. Sad. But honestly, being bisexual is kinda selfish. You cant have just one or the other? And besides, it was Adama and Eve, not Adam and Steve. And it kinda scares people that aren't gay. I have to agree with altresac about the whole being heterosexual at 5 being a little off. I have a five year old sibling, and trust me, he's not thinking anything along those lines. Not to mention the fact he is extremely advanced for his age.

A. Is there something wrong with being selfish?
B. Not everyone accepts the Bible as fact, myself included.

Fletch_Talon · Nov 08, 2008 9:02 AM

I believe homosexual couples should be allowed to be married as whether marriage is considered a religious concept or not (doubtful since atheists get married) there are religions and branches of christianity who do not deem it sinful, so provided the other churches are not in any way forced to marry a same gender couple then there shouldnt be a problem

however im a bit iffy about the adoption thing. on the one hand i spose theyre better off with a family of some sort, rather than an adoption agency, but on the other hand, im very much a believer in a childs need for a strong male and female influence. of course there are other figures in a childs life that can do this,so in the end i guess it shouldnt be a problem.

as for when you can state your sexuality, whilst i think its something an 11 year old "shouldnt" be thinking about, i do accept that it is something that (especially in this day and age) they often will think about, and since its commonly accepted (by most) that sexuality is something youre born with then it stands to reason that someone will know their preference when theyreold enough to know what attraction/love is.

as for sexuality (*bleep*/hetero) i think its silly to suggest it has to involve sex, a homosexual is defined by the gender they are attracted to, not the gender they want to/have sex with, only christianity defines homosexuality as having sex with the same gender (in that male homosexuality is not a sin unless it involves sodomy)

Stormy · Nov 08, 2008 3:13 PM

DDR_Maniac wrote:

Atresac wrote:
she hasn't even gone through puberty yet, she can't say she's bisexual or not.
I really don't think you should pretend to know what's going on in someone else's life.
My thought on this issue: I don't really see why they have to be legally married. Isn't marriage a religious ceremony anyway?
I am absoloutly disgusted, angry and downright hurt by this news. People seem to forget the true meaning of marriage. It's about love. NOT gender. They say marriage is about a man and woman having children.
Oh really? So, if I was straight BUT infertile, does that mean that I'm not allowed to get married cause I can't have children? They might as well ban marriage for infertile couples..or interracial couples...
It isn't just about having children. I believe it has been proven that children brought up by two moms, or two dads don't do as well. They lack the bringing up of the other gender in their life. Not to mention that they would be in a very awkward place if they were asked about their Mom/Dad that doesn't exist.

I have to agree with DDR_Maniac on this. (big surprise, eh?) If it were merely a religious issue, I would have no problem with gay couples being considered married. I don't believe in forcing my religion on anyone. But my main problem with this would be how families would be structured.

This is how I see it: No matter how much two men love each other or their daughter, they can never teach her how to be a woman. No matter how much two women love each other or their son, they can never teach him to be a man.

Kamineko · Nov 08, 2008 3:43 PM

RaidonMakoto wrote:

Atresac wrote:
Dirty thought is not the same as sexual attraction.
Hell I can look at a guy and think a dirty thought, but that does not equate to sexual attraction.
You begin to understand who (or in some cases, what) you are attracted to in a sexual manner during puberty. Other than that, it's either "oh I lik this person" when you're in grade school, or "hurr hurr dirty words" when you learn what sex is.
But you can't tell me that when you were five or even ten you thought about anybody "man this person is sexually attractive to me and I would not mind making sex with this person at all".
That is something that I doubt wholly.
I can say that, yes, I did at that age.

And I can say without a doubt in my mind that you are lying through clenched teeth.

cooldude22345 · Nov 08, 2008 5:14 PM

Stormy wrote:

I have to agree with DDR_Maniac on this. (big surprise, eh?) If it were merely a religious issue, I would have no problem with gay couples being considered married. I don't believe in forcing my religion on anyone. But my main problem with this would be how families would be structured.
This is how I see it: No matter how much two men love each other or their daughter, they can never teach her how to be a woman. No matter how much two women love each other or their son, they can never teach him to be a man.

I agree with stormy.

Game_Girl_2007 · Nov 08, 2008 5:29 PM

Least the children would grow up accepting gay people for who they are.

It's the fact that rights are being taken away from people JUST because of their sexual orientation. Just because your gay, dosen't mean your a bad person. If your religion is against it, then thats YOUR problem. The world dosen't revolve around YOUR religions laws. gay and bisexual people are made to feel like outcasts thanks to religion. Do you honestly think taking away their rights is a very christian thing to do? Dosen't God tell us to love everyone? He dosen't like the sin..but he loves the sinner. and if God can love us, why can't you?

Kamineko · Nov 08, 2008 5:34 PM

Stormy wrote:

DDR_Maniac wrote:
Atresac wrote:
she hasn't even gone through puberty yet, she can't say she's bisexual or not.
I really don't think you should pretend to know what's going on in someone else's life.
My thought on this issue: I don't really see why they have to be legally married. Isn't marriage a religious ceremony anyway?
I am absoloutly disgusted, angry and downright hurt by this news. People seem to forget the true meaning of marriage. It's about love. NOT gender. They say marriage is about a man and woman having children.
Oh really? So, if I was straight BUT infertile, does that mean that I'm not allowed to get married cause I can't have children? They might as well ban marriage for infertile couples..or interracial couples...
It isn't just about having children. I believe it has been proven that children brought up by two moms, or two dads don't do as well. They lack the bringing up of the other gender in their life. Not to mention that they would be in a very awkward place if they were asked about their Mom/Dad that doesn't exist.
I have to agree with DDR_Maniac on this. (big surprise, eh?) If it were merely a religious issue, I would have no problem with gay couples being considered married. I don't believe in forcing my religion on anyone. But my main problem with this would be how families would be structured.
This is how I see it: No matter how much two men love each other or their daughter, they can never teach her how to be a woman. No matter how much two women love each other or their son, they can never teach him to be a man.

I take it you've never met somebody who comes from a gay family. Not to mention this way of thinking also undermines people raised in single-parent households.

RaidonMakoto · Nov 08, 2008 5:58 PM

Stormy wrote:

This is how I see it: No matter how much two men love each other or their daughter, they can never teach her how to be a woman. No matter how much two women love each other or their son, they can never teach him to be a man.

Does this mean we should outlaw single parents as well?

And I can say without a doubt in my mind that you are lying through clenched teeth.

Nope. Ever since I found out about sex (when I was really young), that's all I thought about. tongue

Kamineko · Nov 08, 2008 6:12 PM

RaidonMakoto wrote:

Stormy wrote:
This is how I see it: No matter how much two men love each other or their daughter, they can never teach her how to be a woman. No matter how much two women love each other or their son, they can never teach him to be a man.
Does this mean we should outlaw single parents as well?
And I can say without a doubt in my mind that you are lying through clenched teeth.
Nope. Ever since I found out about sex (when I was really young), that's all I thought about.

I found out about sex when i was maybe 7, and I still never thought about it other than knowing it was a silly-sounding thing.

If you're actually telling me you had a sexual drive at 5 years old, you were one deeply disturbed child.

cooldude22345 · Nov 08, 2008 6:15 PM

Game_Girl_2007 wrote:

Least the children would grow up accepting gay people for who they are.
It's the fact that rights are being taken away from people JUST because of their sexual orientation. Just because your gay, dosen't mean your a bad person. If your religion is against it, then thats YOUR problem. The world dosen't revolve around YOUR religions laws. gay and bisexual people are made to feel like outcasts thanks to religion. Do you honestly think taking away their rights is a very christian thing to do? Dosen't God tell us to love everyone? He dosen't like the sin..but he loves the sinner. and if God can love us, why can't you?

*sighs* when did I say I hate gay people? When did ANYBODY on these forums say that they despise gay people.

Game_Girl_2007 · Nov 08, 2008 7:19 PM

I didn't say anyone here..I meant people in general.

Kamineko · Nov 08, 2008 7:33 PM

Game_Girl_2007 wrote:

I didn't say anyone here..I meant people in general.

Game_Girl_2007 wrote:

Least the children would grow up accepting gay people for who they are.
It's the fact that rights are being taken away from people JUST because of their sexual orientation. Just because your gay, dosen't mean your a bad person. If your religion is against it, then thats YOUR problem. The world dosen't revolve around YOUR religions laws. gay and bisexual people are made to feel like outcasts thanks to religion. Do you honestly think taking away their rights is a very christian thing to do? Dosen't God tell us to love everyone? He dosen't like the sin..but he loves the sinner. and if God can love us, why can't you?

That sounds like you're speaking directly to somebody to me.

John Man 1234 · Nov 08, 2008 8:07 PM

I think that if you are gay well that's ok I mean gay marriage if that's what makes those two people happy then let them do it. I am not one but still.

Game_Girl_2007 · Nov 08, 2008 9:29 PM

Atresac wrote:

Game_Girl_2007 wrote:
I didn't say anyone here..I meant people in general.
Game_Girl_2007 wrote:
Least the children would grow up accepting gay people for who they are.
It's the fact that rights are being taken away from people JUST because of their sexual orientation. Just because your gay, dosen't mean your a bad person. If your religion is against it, then thats YOUR problem. The world dosen't revolve around YOUR religions laws. gay and bisexual people are made to feel like outcasts thanks to religion. Do you honestly think taking away their rights is a very christian thing to do? Dosen't God tell us to love everyone? He dosen't like the sin..but he loves the sinner. and if God can love us, why can't you?
That sounds like you're speaking directly to somebody to me.

Again, I'm meaning people in general.

Do NOT start an arguement with me. You will not win.

Stormy · Nov 08, 2008 10:17 PM

Game Girl 2007, I would like to remind you that this topic is open for debate. People can argue with you if they wish to do so; just because you made the topic doesn't mean that everyone has to agree with you. -____-

cooldude22345 wrote:

Game_Girl_2007 wrote:
Least the children would grow up accepting gay people for who they are.
It's the fact that rights are being taken away from people JUST because of their sexual orientation. Just because your gay, dosen't mean your a bad person. If your religion is against it, then thats YOUR problem. The world dosen't revolve around YOUR religions laws. gay and bisexual people are made to feel like outcasts thanks to religion. Do you honestly think taking away their rights is a very christian thing to do? Dosen't God tell us to love everyone? He dosen't like the sin..but he loves the sinner. and if God can love us, why can't you?
*sighs* when did I say I hate gay people? When did ANYBODY on these forums say that they despise gay people.

Yeah, this is what bugs me the most with this issue. People assume that since I don't support gay marriage, I must hate gays. I do not hate gay people. I simply believe that gay marriage is immoral and probably wouldn't be the best thing for society as a whole. Disagree with me if you wish, but as I've already said, this isn't a religious issue for me.

And in response to the single parenting thing: of course not. How can you "outlaw" single parenting? It is an unavoidable circumstance.

Kamineko · Nov 08, 2008 10:38 PM

Game_Girl_2007 wrote:

Atresac wrote:
Game_Girl_2007 wrote:
I didn't say anyone here..I meant people in general.
Game_Girl_2007 wrote:
Least the children would grow up accepting gay people for who they are.
It's the fact that rights are being taken away from people JUST because of their sexual orientation. Just because your gay, dosen't mean your a bad person. If your religion is against it, then thats YOUR problem. The world dosen't revolve around YOUR religions laws. gay and bisexual people are made to feel like outcasts thanks to religion. Do you honestly think taking away their rights is a very christian thing to do? Dosen't God tell us to love everyone? He dosen't like the sin..but he loves the sinner. and if God can love us, why can't you?
That sounds like you're speaking directly to somebody to me.
Again, I'm meaning people in general.
Do NOT start an arguement with me. You will not win.

Then say people, if you don't mean "YOU" then do not say "YOU" as if YOU are talking directly to the person reading your post, if that's apparently not what you're trying to convey.

I will start an argument with whomever I want. Your shallow threats don't intimidate me.

Stormy wrote:

Game Girl 2007, I would like to remind you that this topic is open for debate. People can argue with you if they wish to do so; just because you made the topic doesn't mean that everyone has to agree with you. -____-
cooldude22345 wrote:
Game_Girl_2007 wrote:
Least the children would grow up accepting gay people for who they are.
It's the fact that rights are being taken away from people JUST because of their sexual orientation. Just because your gay, dosen't mean your a bad person. If your religion is against it, then thats YOUR problem. The world dosen't revolve around YOUR religions laws. gay and bisexual people are made to feel like outcasts thanks to religion. Do you honestly think taking away their rights is a very christian thing to do? Dosen't God tell us to love everyone? He dosen't like the sin..but he loves the sinner. and if God can love us, why can't you?
*sighs* when did I say I hate gay people? When did ANYBODY on these forums say that they despise gay people.
Yeah, this is what bugs me the most with this issue. People assume that since I don't support gay marriage, I must hate gays. I do not hate gay people. I simply believe that gay marriage is immoral and probably wouldn't be the best thing for society as a whole. Disagree with me if you wish, but as I've already said, this isn't a religious issue for me.
And in response to the single parenting thing: of course not. How can you "outlaw" single parenting? It is an unavoidable circumstance.

Then ban divorces, or make the kid have to go to a family that can offer both a mother and a father. Regardless, the idea that a kid can't be raised properly without both a mother and a father is ridiculous, especially since a great majority of children now are raised in single-parent homes and end up fine.

Stormy · Nov 08, 2008 10:52 PM

Banning divorces will solve nothing, since then the kids would most likely end up having to live with two parents that don't get along anyway, which is no good either. Giving them up to another family is simply wrong; you can't just take a child away from his or her parents. Single parenthood is an unavoidable circumstance.

Think what you want, but I believe the ideal family situation would be two parents of the opposite gender. You will not change my mind on this. =P

Kamineko · Nov 08, 2008 11:46 PM

Well then just know in accordance to your beliefs at least 30% of kids growing up now will not learn to be of their own gender.

cooldude22345 · Nov 09, 2008 1:34 AM

Homosexuality also means the spreading of more deseases, if people are not careful.

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