what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?

RedDragonX · Nov 10, 2008 10:26 PM

If they had managed to effectively combing the great gameplay and awsome story from the two games it would have been an awesome result.

Old Series-The environments were ceratinly much more entertaining...you had more characters to interact with...and things were much more simpler. If you make thinks easy yet fun for a gamer they are gonna enjoy it. Hence why I love playing the original game so much. The storylines however were rather dismal...just stupid fun most of the time....but still highly enjoyable thanks to the gameplay.

New Series-It has a better story then the original series...but it lacks in the open gameplay and highly interactive environments. Their efforts to introduce a story into the gameplay was valiant..but it came up far far too short. Had they not rushed this series so much and planned it out better..it could have had a much better result. The new series also has my vote on sound...but only slightly.

All and all you have fans from both sides who are gonna fight no matter what. The old series was much more enjoyable to just pick up and go...because that's all you had to do...while the new series focuses much more on the in depth players...which unfortunetly don't really care about something like Spyro.....hence the popularity of shooters. Just tried to bring it into a very rough market.

Kazoobie64 · Nov 11, 2008 1:32 AM

Since people are mentioning the storyline thing, my whole opinion on this would be:

I really could care less about a storyline in a videogame unless the videogame clearly labels itself as an "interactive novel." Even then, if a videogame's main focus is on drawing me in with it's story, its writing needs careful attention on how to make me feel like it was meant to be told in game form, and not have me thinking by the end "man, why didn't they just make this a movie instead of wasting their time with the other unnecessary elements?" The Phoenix Wright games are a good example of this. Most of the time, besides the little details they make you do like find fingerprints on stuff, you are basically playing through piles of storyline text, and you just have to make the story move along with the right choices. If you are spoiled on these games, it actually loses like half its fun, and you will also lose half your drive to play through it. If the storyline was bad and predictable, I doubt people would play them too.

While the old Spyro games did KIND OF have a story, it was mostly a lot of nonsense. Their story elements were basically just a part of the ground for the games to stand on. The cutscenes were short and quick, the character personalities were there to make the game charming and memorable to play, so the audience wouldn't say "the main controllable character is a purple dragon" it's basically "the main controllable character is a rather mischevious and hard-headed purple dragon." Good game designers know that the character you're controlling for most of the game can't be bland and needs to be likeable so the player feels a sort of connection to him/her and actually enjoys playing as that character. I didn't play these games going "gee, I'm going to play to the end of this game to see where Bianca's going to side!" I played them through to over 100% because I felt accomplished beating every trick and challenge and seeing everything the game offered because of you beating said tricks and challenges.

So yeah, I did like it more that way. When I don't really care for a story I really don't like to have cutscenes about the story I don't care about shoved in my face. It's even worse when I get to the gameplay and I have no idea what to do because it was probably told in a skippable cutscene. It's like a terrible musical. I always groan at those when they cut to unnecessary songs; it just makes me want to punch the director in the face and yell "why did you turn this into a musical?!"

RedDragonX · Nov 11, 2008 2:17 AM

Haha..I do agree with you on that...the whole cutscene thing works in games like Final Fantasy...where everyone just wants to watch them anyways.

It's hard to do that with a game like this...and their efforts to do so were just futile. They did also try to connect it with the older games by givng you this pathetic 100% to reach.

Ok great....I found a few lousy crystals and some pieces of armour....it took me all of.....12 hours. Wow...and what do I get for it.....um...nothing...except a fury breath that really has no excitement to it whatsoever. At least with the old Spyro game I could spend hours looking for every single stupid gem...but hell...when you had levels that send you flying through the trees with super charge...chasing after those stupid thiefs......I don't mind playing the level again..and again...and again. That was a very good forumla that easily made up for any kind of story they introduced.

I love the idea of giving a good game a good story. Yes it isn't for every single gamer out there...most of them prefer to get right into the action and just shoot/destroy whatever is in their path. Yet their is a very large deal of gamers who love having that real deep storyline...but trying to do it with Spyro.....that's not something easy to do in today's society.

Their hearts were in the right place with the idea...but trying to relate to the older games or introduce a new formula for the purple hero isn't something that the audience these days really wanted...despite the good amount of fans it has gathered.

Until they do something really breathtaking to cater to all players of the series...this cold reception is always gonna be there.

Onyxia · Nov 11, 2008 6:17 AM

I like the old Spyro and the new Spyro. I mean they're not going to be able to make everyone happy. There are going to be these two scenarios:

Old Spyro - I want old spyro and nothing more!

New Spyro (LOS) - We like the new one, it's more challenging and the graphics are SO much better!

and I'm the minority that likes both. *sigh* -_-

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John Man 1234 wrote:

If you both haved played the game and you are not satisfied with it still then well good. Stiil this purple dragon's future is still up in the air.

That's a good thing though right! That was always the sad thing for me in old spyro games:

He's a dragon, he has wings, why can't I make him fly outside challenges or loading screens?

Jackson117 · Nov 11, 2008 7:37 AM

Spyro will have to defeat the remaining malefoer followers and the bombshell will be cynder will be pregnant.(or eggs)

Kazoobie64 · Nov 11, 2008 1:04 PM

Having a continuous series with things like the female heroine getting preggers is pretty much "jumping the shark." Unless of course we're watching something like Sex and the City.

Not that I don't think Spyro "way beyond leapt a great leap over the shark" a long time ago, but this is pretty much for anyone who likes the LoS story.

Starscream · Nov 11, 2008 1:36 PM

I actually LIKE when you have a deep and complex story in a game since it kinda pulls me into that universe a lot more and when I complete the game I just love to see an epic story that followed me though the game just end....

But the problem with most of those games is that they put too much effort into the story and not the gameplay...

Or the story is waaay too much present that the gameplay itself....

Like Kazoobie said Phoenix Wright is a freaking NOVEL!!!

Metal Gar Solid series, probably one of the best series of games ever made, kinda suffers from long cutsecenes trouble but the gameplay is good, fun, challenging and when it came out it was something totally new...
It has a balance between great story and great gameplay.....

Unfortunately LOS serial doesn't have anyhing...

The gameplay for me is NOT FUN at all and it bores me. If gameplay bores me I don't care for anything else the game is boring and bad.

And the story rally isn't complexed as people say....it full of cliches and predictable "twists". It's really not anything special......

If they want a deep story, hire a Japanese writer.....seriously I'm not kidding. They just have some sort of a sense for drama,complexity and style when it comes to stories that I really haven't seen anywhere else....
If they could make a game with Mickey Mouse have an epic story and yet work perfectly they can surely do if for Spyro.

RedDragonX · Nov 11, 2008 7:23 PM

Well one thing they have always been able to do is mix the most bizarre and out of place stories into something with awesome gameplay.

Heck I mean come on...a story like Kingdom Hearts was so freaking strange..but who cares! It's still awesome.

They have really managed to perfect the balance between gameplay and storyling to help pull gamers into the mix.

I'm all for an excellent story...personally I prefer that a good story be there so my mind stays pretty much involved in wanting to find out just what happens next in the story.

Unfortunetly...this story could have been worked so much better (LOS), and obviously the gameplay could have been improved...but seeing as how two companies I really never heard of before just picked up the character and built something out of it...it could have turned out a lot worse.

Kazoobie64 · Nov 11, 2008 7:41 PM

I've never liked the general Final Fantasy series. Their stories are just so bizarre and make no sense most of the time, especially at the ending, and their gameplay bores me with the exception of Final Fantasy 12 and maybe 9. I don't even know why I play Kingdom Hearts; I can't really remember anything memorable from the gameplay and again the story just makes absolutely no sense and is just a bunch of bizarre crap happening. Maybe I just played it for the Disney nostalgia.

RedDragonX · Nov 11, 2008 7:44 PM

Well you are just one gamer in a world full of them......so many gamers are obssesed with Final Fantasy and the characters and such.

Square Enix has just really done a good job making characters and storylines that draw a good portion of gamers back for a second helping. I liked the storyling given in KH..as screwed up as it was...

When I first heard about it I was like WTF...how can you cross Disney with Final Fantasy.....but kudos to them because they managed to pull it off quite nicely...

Kazoobie64 · Nov 11, 2008 8:29 PM

XRedDragonX wrote:

Well you are just one gamer in a world full of them......so many gamers are obssesed with Final Fantasy and the characters and such.

AHAHAHA, oh man haha, that's a good one. *wipes tear*

Starscream · Nov 11, 2008 8:34 PM

Well I can see where you're coming from Final Fantasy games are just full of those hidden meaning and philosophical crap....

Kingdom Hears has a pretty great story....it it kinda hard to follow and has plot holes(some of which will hopefully be explained in the upcoming games) but all in all in all is a great game....

I still say when it come to game stories Metal Gear Solid series is the man but this is getting off topic....

I would seriously like to see Spyro with an epic story but it really need to be original and new for me to like it...

RedDragonX · Nov 11, 2008 8:36 PM

Well good luck with that one.....it's too bad you can't go back in time and change things....blame whoever the heck did ETD for screwing up the old games lol...

But whatever...I thought the story was pretty good...

Kazoobie64 · Nov 11, 2008 8:49 PM

Even Metal Gear Solid has its nonsensical stuff, but it's still a pretty good story.

I am a big fan of Zelda but even I can admit that its story can be a bunch of bullcrap a lot of times, and I LIKE the story. I think when they don't care about their story is when their games come out with the better environment and feeling, such as in Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass, which some people refuse to play simply for its toon-like graphics which I find incredibly sad. Even Majora's Mask had a nutso story but it was somehow enjoyable to play in BECAUSE of how bizarre it was. It was also a pretty depressing game when you think about it, but it just doesn't push it on you like Square games do. You come to realize on your own that it's pretty sad, but it's not portrayed blatantly in the game with mourning characters and such. Then there's Twilight Princess, in which they focused so much on the presentation to please angry fans that its fanservice showed and it just wasn't as enjoyable as a Zelda game should be. Even if you like the story, come on, can you seriously look me in the eye and tell me that one thing that happened in the ending wasn't completely stupid? It did not need to happen. At all.

I just don't think Spyro needs the epic story and if it does, it doesn't need to be put in the way that LoS seems to put it. Again, I'll bring Wind Waker into this... Cute, colorful environment and characters, but its story is still pretty serious and somehow they manage to make it match with its toony environment anyway. Those of you who've played it will know what I mean.

RedDragonX · Nov 11, 2008 8:57 PM

Everyone is entitled to what they think about it. Do I think trying to pull off that kind of story with Spyro was a bad idea? Yeah pretty much...because in this market I knew it wasn't gonna go over too well.

It doesn't matter...because they are going to keep going with this new universe....and hopefully they wont butcher it too bad in the upcoming movie....but I think they should try a different forumla. What they attempted to do wasn't going to be successful with the style of gameplay they wanted to use.

I give them plenty of credit for trying...but when the Spyro fanbase is as split as it is....of course things are gonna be in heavy debate after such a game comes out. They tried in vain to make it somewhere similer to the older games....but that wasn't going to cater to anyone except those who really love the LOS trilogy.

This new reboot was to introduce a new face to Spyro...but if they keep going in this direction...they better fix it so that the elements of gameplay and story blend well together in an environment that caters to just about any gamer...old or new Spyro.

Starscream · Nov 11, 2008 9:18 PM

Wind Waker is by far my favorite Zelda game so I know exactly what you mean!

I'd really wish if they did a Spyro game in that kinda cartoony style.....

I think it would kinda fit him....

Trasher258 · Nov 12, 2008 1:38 AM

I was think a more like MYST like atmosphere...crossing out the point & click gameplay part. That's what I would like. Some gorgeously detailed environments and sky and lighting... whatever works best. I might not get my wish but it's worth time exploiting.

Onyxia · Nov 12, 2008 1:47 AM

@ Trasher - While I myself love the MYST series, I would have to say that a myst-like Spyro would be a little farfetched. If they can blend the old Spyro and New Spyro that would be great! Introduce some old friends and baddies.

Trasher258 · Nov 12, 2008 2:04 AM

I'm just saying the environments could use a little more detail. Realistically I mean. Everything else can just be whatever it ends up as.

Here are a few examples.

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Kazoobie64 · Nov 12, 2008 2:15 AM

First image... You a Guild Wars fan? I play all the time.

Anyway, I'm sure pulling off more realistic but still colorful levels would have been no sweat if Insomniac or any of their team had continued with Spyro in next-gen. As you can see by their upcoming Ratchet & Clank. Remember color was a major factor in Spyro's effective level design: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3 … spyro_.php

RedDragonX · Nov 12, 2008 2:21 AM

Well when the original Spyro first came out...I remember all the fuss about it....was very very advanced for that time period (PS1)...which of course always helps to attract an audience....so no wonder they didn't get nearly as much attention this time around then before.....I have loved pretty much all the art though....most of the levels were very well done...but my favorite had to be the floating islands.

Anyways it's just a different market now..

ratchet · Nov 12, 2008 1:24 PM

Anyways it's just a different market now..

That's what people say, but in truth, there's no proof. platformers still sell very well, take super mario galaxy. Odviously Spyro needs a vast number of changes, but in goood ways. An example of bad changes could be seen in AHT and SSL!

RedDragonX · Nov 12, 2008 8:35 PM

Well are you gonna tell me that shooters don't sell more or are more popular then plateformers or RPGs.....I have seen much more demand and much more marketing for Gears of War, Guitar Hero, Grand Turismo, christ even the Force Unleashed. All of them were directed primarily at the common gamer these days...which is much more into mind numbing violence, music, or addrenaline rushing games such as those above.

I don't see people lining out the door for Dawn of the Dragon....it's just a much harder market to encourage buying for a product like that.

Trasher258 · Nov 12, 2008 9:17 PM

XRedDragonX wrote:

I don't see people lining out the door for Dawn of the Dragon....it's just a much harder market to encourage buying for a product like that.

Then they might need to get more innovative than what is out there. Shooters are just something about shooting alot of guns in different ways. Melee and melee weapons are less common than before and they can be used in stunning ways if you think about it. The pointed tips on Spyro's wings could of been put to good use...and his tip of his tail.

@ Kazoobie64: No, I'm not a Guild War fan. I just searched for some artwork and that was one that showed up.

Spyro Master · Nov 12, 2008 9:49 PM

yeh which is a good idea they used to use his head in teh older spyros as a head bash and also his tail was used in TEN wiv that electric whirlwind attack

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