what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?

RedDragonX · Dec 07, 2008 12:48 AM

And that is perfectly fine lol...I would love to have a pretty good comparision debate with some of the others as well..but as far as I can see...posters like Kazoobie...You(Stormy)...Ratchet...I like what all of you say because yes you pretty much make true and very effective arguments for the old series...but I did join this forum to offer my opinion...and I saw how much the LoS was degraded in this forum...so I wanted to defend it in some way.

I just seem to be one of the few who does so lol...for whatever reason...and I know what you mean about the fans who basically scream LOS IS BETTER AND YOU KNOW IT"S TRUE!!...yeah I hate those just as much as the next because it has no logic in it lol....and I offer arguments for both series....but overall I just want what's is best for the franchise as a whole. I'm not the best debater in the world lol..but I still know how to prove my point haha...anyways I just do my part...but when it does come to making effective arguments...I don't see many LoS fans who can pull it off...so I tried my luck.

TornWings · Dec 07, 2008 2:57 AM

Situation I've seen as far as TLOS fans trying to argue their side:

1- TLOS fan makes questionable statement
2- Originals fans tear that to shreds
3- TLOS fan stops posting

Kind of kills the debate, though I'll admit to attempting similar tactics earlier.

I've become rather indifferent to this discussion as otherwise I have a habit of getting annoyed with some of the people posting and that can end up ruining my day, which is just silly.

Smiget · Dec 07, 2008 3:50 AM

I have not played DOTD yet, (but i want to) but i dont think that they can go back to the old seiries (unfortunatly). if they do that, things can get confusing, ppl who have only played the TLOS 3 will be confused, and yea.

if they do continue with the older one, yayz!
if they continue with the newer one, uh, yayz!

if they stop, il be sad :'( siera has either stoped spyro at DOTD, stuffe him up completeley, or made a new spyro series thats games are to short (and emotional o_O)
hope ur happy with urself, siera mad

RedDragonX · Dec 07, 2008 4:28 AM

TornWings wrote:

Situation I've seen as far as TLOS fans trying to argue their side:
1- TLOS fan makes questionable statement
2- Originals fans tear that to shreds
3- TLOS fan stops posting
Kind of kills the debate, though I'll admit to attempting similar tactics earlier.
I've become rather indifferent to this discussion as otherwise I have a habit of getting annoyed with some of the people posting and that can end up ruining my day, which is just silly.

Yeah that's pretty spot on tornwings...most of them can't reason with anything...they just up and say it on emotions...hence why they get torn apart so easily lol...another one of the reasons why I did join the forum...so that someone somewhat logical could defend the series lol...well....at least I don't stop posting....but I'm leaning closer to indifferent about the whole thing as well.

Trasher258 · Dec 07, 2008 4:40 AM

XRedDragonX wrote:

...most of them can't reason with anything...they just up and say it on emotions...hence why they get torn apart so easily lol...another one of the reasons why I did join the forum...so that someone somewhat logical could defend the series lol...well....at least I don't stop posting....but I'm leaning closer to indifferent about the whole thing as well.

You are not the only one. I also use logical evidence since I'm not that emotional. It's more like curiosity and asking the question "Why" and "What if". I favor for both series for certain aspects that I like about them but I avoid saying what I hate about it since it won't get past this crowd. roll Fact: Younger people don't control their emotions well due to their frontal lobe that isn't fully developed until they are at least 18.

RedDragonX · Dec 07, 2008 5:19 AM

I never said I was the only one Thrasher lol...I know that you have a very good voice of reason for both the new and the old series...so I didn't mean to count you out if that's what you believed....but yeah young people will always answer more immaturly....at least most of them will...unless you meet the random one who can control their thoughts lol...good luck with that one.

And yeah prolly a good idea not saying what you hate lol...because yes it never will get past this crowd lol...a snowball has a better chance in hell I must say.

TornWings · Dec 07, 2008 5:36 AM

I can get a bit emotional when reading the posts of the people tearing into TLOS, but it's not for lack of trying. I want to see the series become something good, and I think it can be, so these "the series is horrible, kill it now" posts get under my skin now and then.

RedDragonX · Dec 07, 2008 5:40 AM

TornWings wrote:

I can get a bit emotional when reading the posts of the people tearing into TLOS, but it's not for lack of trying. I want to see the series become something good, and I think it can be, so these "the series is horrible, kill it now" posts get under my skin now and then.

Amen to that bro...amen indeed...

Jackson117 · Dec 07, 2008 8:11 AM

Oh dear LOS fans and Original fans fighting each other

Why not be BOTH

Dark-Ignitus · Dec 07, 2008 11:13 AM

To be quite honest I really liked the new trilogy and the old games, I don't see anything wrong with either of them, but as I said before I dont think the old games are going to come back. There are definatly going to be spyro games in the future but I think they might just carry on with the new series...but, you never know what might happen. I can tell you what would mess up spyro though, and that would be if they started doing spinoffs with other characters, that would ruin spyro.

RedDragonX · Dec 07, 2008 11:46 AM

Jackson117 wrote:

Oh dear LOS fans and Original fans fighting each other

Why not be BOTH

Hey man..I am both lol...but I still respect the LoS series and defend it as I see fit to do so lol...I would do the same thing if someone was bashing the heck out of one of the original games...to which nobody does so it really doesn't matter lol...but I love both of the series to death.

ratchet · Dec 07, 2008 12:11 PM

but yeah young people will always answer more immaturly....at least most of them will...unless you meet the random one who can control their thoughts lol...good luck with that one.

Define "young people"

Stormy · Dec 07, 2008 1:58 PM

Trasher258 wrote:

XRedDragonX wrote:
...most of them can't reason with anything...they just up and say it on emotions...hence why they get torn apart so easily lol...another one of the reasons why I did join the forum...so that someone somewhat logical could defend the series lol...well....at least I don't stop posting....but I'm leaning closer to indifferent about the whole thing as well.
You are not the only one. I also use logical evidence since I'm not that emotional. It's more like curiosity and asking the question "Why" and "What if". I favor for both series for certain aspects that I like about them but I avoid saying what I hate about it since it won't get past this crowd. Fact: Younger people don't control their emotions well due to their frontal lobe that isn't fully developed until they are at least 18.

Is it not possible to have both logical and emotional arguments? I always try to stay logical, but I don't hold back what I actually feel about TLoS....

RedDragonX · Dec 07, 2008 2:18 PM

You can be as emotional in an argument as you want to be lol...nothing wrong with it because I certainly have trouble controling how I feel as well....but when you start involving emotions it tends to cloud your overall judgment. Then again it does depend on what kind of debater you are and your ability to mix emotions with facts lol...but for most of the people I have met...getting emotional just opens up more weaknesses...but that's not the same for everyone.

And to Ratchet..I would have to define a young person as anyone under the age of 18 for me. Some do mature faster then others though so I wont take the fact away that some of you guys out there are perfectly capable of making relevent arguments. I'm just pointing out the vast majority of people at that age lol..

Cynder's #1 Fan · Dec 08, 2008 12:23 AM

TornWings wrote:

I can get a bit emotional when reading the posts of the people tearing into TLOS, but it's not for lack of trying. I want to see the series become something good, and I think it can be, so these "the series is horrible, kill it now" posts get under my skin now and then.

Those posts just plain get under my skin. The series isn't as horrible as a lot of people give it credit for.
And since some people were saying that the TLoS fans weren't sticking up for the series, these are the reasons why I like TLoS the best:
1. You have your own healthbar, when before it was Sparx and you only had 3/4-5 chances with him. In TLoS you get more of a chance, and you get more health gems whenever you defeat someone or find a crystal instead of having to look for some poor animal to kill.
2. The characters have more detail in my opinion.
3. The bosses are harder. May not seem like it to you original fans, but they are. Gives players more of a challenge, which I like.
4. You have many different ways to attack besides just your breath(s) and the charge attack, and a couple others I can't remember. Here you have 4 breath choices for two different characters, combos, awesome furies, and all that other stuff the gaurdians taught you in ANB.
5. It requires for the player to have more skill and to always be ready to fight a ton of enemies all at once, which IMO is a good thing. Prepares the kid/person to have more skill for other harder games where you get out-numbered.
6. Again, IMO the graphics are a whole lot better, and the characters just seemed to show emotions better.
7. You don't have a "life" count, therefor you can just keep dying and dying and so-forth until you finally get it right and beat the level/boss. May seem like a pain-in-the-butt, but you actually get a chance instead of not having that many lives and keep having to either end the game or keep trying 'til you die again, restart, that kind of thing. If you're in a level you don't really have to start the whole level over if you lose all your lives, so it's easiar.

If I got that last part wrong, I haven't played the originals in quite awhile.

Kazoobie64 · Dec 08, 2008 1:12 AM

Hooray, we're debating again.

Cynder's #1 Fan wrote:

1. You have your own healthbar, when before it was Sparx and you only had 3/4-5 chances with him. In TLoS you get more of a chance, and you get more health gems whenever you defeat someone or find a crystal instead of having to look for some poor animal to kill.

Everyone says the old games were easy though, so why should it matter how many hits you take? It doesn't even matter if it's a visible bar or if it's a dragonfly changing colors, the healthbar is still there. As for killing animals, that made it amusing and unique.

2. The characters have more detail in my opinion.

That's what we call going into next-gen.

3. The bosses are harder. May not seem like it to you original fans, but they are. Gives players more of a challenge, which I like.

Maybe so, but that doesn't make them more complicated. It's always "hit them a few times like you would any other enemy while moving around the arena."

4. You have many different ways to attack besides just your breath(s) and the charge attack, and a couple others I can't remember. Here you have 4 breath choices for two different characters, combos, awesome furies, and all that other stuff the gaurdians taught you in ANB.

Most of these work as eye candy rather than actually being varied to be useful, though. I guess that's ok sine LoS relies heavily on disguising their poor game mechanics with visuals. You can pretty much stick it out with just one breath. We're talking about two completely different games though. LoS was obviously combat-based, the originals only used enemies to hinder your progress, so a simple flame and charge and occassional power-ups were enough, anything else would just be overdoing it.

5. It requires for the player to have more skill and to always be ready to fight a ton of enemies all at once, which IMO is a good thing. Prepares the kid/person to have more skill for other harder games where you get out-numbered.

If you want to teach a kid to button-mash effectively, let them play Mario Party, or that rage-inducing Canary Mary mini-game in Banjo-Tooie.

6. Again, IMO the graphics are a whole lot better, and the characters just seemed to show emotions better.

Oh, hello next-gen.

7. You don't have a "life" count, therefor you can just keep dying and dying and so-forth until you finally get it right and beat the level/boss. May seem like a pain-in-the-butt, but you actually get a chance instead of not having that many lives and keep having to either end the game or keep trying 'til you die again, restart, that kind of thing. If you're in a level you don't really have to start the whole level over if you lose all your lives, so it's easiar.

Geez, are the originals really that hard that it was bad for them to not place you exactly where you were after death rather than a checkpoint?

TornWings · Dec 08, 2008 1:54 AM

<.< Thank you for proving my point. I find it funny how you're glad to be debating when your continued efforts are arguably the reason there's no one left to debate with.

Kazoobie64 · Dec 08, 2008 2:21 AM

That's pretty much admitting you got nothing to dispute, thus losing the debate.

Honestly, I never even reply here if we're just talking about how great one series is. If someone's going to be all like "well this direction of the series is better because..." you need to accept someone else is going to try and dispute that.

RedDragonX · Dec 08, 2008 2:37 AM

They will debate so long as the two series exist lol...that's just how it is..especially some of the posters on here...but what the heck lol..I still debate despite all of it....part of the reason I joined because I got so sick of seeing one sided debates lol....because generally speaking this is pretty much a forum that heavily caters the originals.

People are gonna see their side of it no matter what you say...so unless the next game in the series caters to both sides of the equation..this debate will just ramble on and on and on. That was the one really negative thing the LoS did manage to bring about...but nobody really cares lol...

TornWings · Dec 08, 2008 3:17 AM

Well, some of these people could have come up with valid points in favor of the new series, but you (Kazoobie) and other posters generally make a point of thrashing their first attempt so thoroughly they don't bother.

I didn't say I minded you disputing it, I was merely pointing it that it seems odd that you're glad there's someone to debate with, only to pulverize them so they never try to again. Seems counterproductive.

RedDragonX · Dec 08, 2008 3:28 AM

Well most don't care if it is counterproductive or not lol...most are simply angry because the old games have a very dismal chance of ever coming back into existance lol...so how else are they going to vent thier frustration..I mean come on they have to tear into something they don't like lol.....that's just the way things are.

ratchet · Dec 08, 2008 7:40 AM

And to Ratchet..I would have to define a young person as anyone under the age of 18 for me. Some do mature faster then others though so I wont take the fact away that some of you guys out there are perfectly capable of making relevent arguments. I'm just pointing out the vast majority of people at that age lol..

I think I can control my emotions pretty well...eh

And yes, another TLOS fan where I can Tear their points apart!

1. You have your own healthbar, when before it was Sparx and you only had 3/4-5 chances with him. In TLoS you get more of a chance, and you get more health gems whenever you defeat someone or find a crystal instead of having to look for some poor animal to kill.

TLOS is a combat game, the originals a platformer, and so hence they did not need to put a healthbar in the game and so Insommniac decided to do something creative there. And Burning Sheep is an iconic thing in Spyro so your bashing what spyro was supposed to be.

2. The characters have more detail in my opinion.

It's called Next Gen graphics! The Playstation couldn't do that very well, It needed ALOT of space, something Insomnic decided to fill with Graphics, gameplay and music.

3. The bosses are harder. May not seem like it to you original fans, but they are. Gives players more of a challenge, which I like.

I think you should go back and play Spyro 2 and 3 and see how hard they are.Besides, the challenge is more strategic, than just mashing buttons.

4. You have many different ways to attack besides just your breath(s) and the charge attack, and a couple others I can't remember. Here you have 4 breath choices for two different characters, combos, awesome furies, and all that other stuff the gaurdians taught you in ANB.

Again, Spyro was a platformer not a combat game, and didn't need all that crap. The game got its variety from the different Minigames and playable characters, it didn't need extra breaths, they were good as powerups anyway. Not to mention you can swim and supercharge in the originals, unlike TLOS. Hey, in TLOS, you dont even need any of that crap anywa, you can win most of the time with only one breath or just combat

5. It requires for the player to have more skill and to always be ready to fight a ton of enemies all at once, which IMO is a good thing. Prepares the kid/person to have more skill for other harder games where you get out-numbered.

Its not about "skill" we are not training kids to be a "Martial arts video game master", it is for fun. And the originals did have alot of challenge anyway, even without non stop battles

6. Again, IMO the graphics are a whole lot better, and the characters just seemed to show emotions better.

Anyone realise DOTD was made 10 years after The originals? It's like comparing Sonic 1 to Ratchet and clank!

7. You don't have a "life" count, therefor you can just keep dying and dying and so-forth until you finally get it right and beat the level/boss. May seem like a pain-in-the-butt, but you actually get a chance instead of not having that many lives and keep having to either end the game or keep trying 'til you die again, restart, that kind of thing. If you're in a level you don't really have to start the whole level over if you lose all your lives, so it's easiar.

And i thought you were complaining about the originals not having enough challenge!

TornWings · Dec 08, 2008 3:22 PM

Well apparently ratchet enjoys sending them running.

And this is why I've stopped posting regarding this. When it goes from intelligent debate to a 1-sided massacre...the hell with it, I'm going back to playing.

Stormy · Dec 08, 2008 4:13 PM

XRedDragonX wrote:

Well most don't care if it is counterproductive or not lol...most are simply angry because the old games have a very dismal chance of ever coming back into existance lol...so how else are they going to vent thier frustration..I mean come on they have to tear into something they don't like lol.....that's just the way things are.

I don't debate this because I'm angry; I debate it because I can debate, and I disagree.

Well, some of these people could have come up with valid points in favor of the new series, but you (Kazoobie) and other posters generally make a point of thrashing their first attempt so thoroughly they don't bother.
I didn't say I minded you disputing it, I was merely pointing it that it seems odd that you're glad there's someone to debate with, only to pulverize them so they never try to again. Seems counterproductive.

It's only counterproductive if you don't argue back. That's the point of a debate. If you don't want someone to pick apart what you said, and you're not willing to come up with counter-arguments, sorry, but you shouldn't be debating in the first place. I know it seems harsh, but we're not going to "go easy on you" if there's something to dispute; it makes no sense to let the side that you disagree with win. It's only a "one-sided massacre" if you give up and let it be that way; you can't really blame someone for explaining why they disagree with you.

Spyro Master · Dec 08, 2008 4:27 PM

well if this is turning into a 1 sided arguement y dont we go bak to wot the topic was about which is what is gonna happen to spyro in the future i think that they will carry on wiv spyro and cynder 4 a bit then it will lead to their children then the children being kidnapped is wot it hink is gonna happen after the film most probaly

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