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#26 Aug 11, 2018 2:27 AM

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Re: Spyro Reignited 2 and 3 is download only.

Autumn Plains wrote:

Could someone please advise me as to why people are saying its a bad thing for the games to be downloads? I have not owned a Playstation for at least 12 years, I had the PS2 and that was it so I do not understand any of the chat about downloads etc. I always buy my games in a physical copy (I have a Nintendo Wii and 3DS)
Please forgive my possibly unbelievable ignorance here! I was going to buy a PS4 console in order for me to get the new Spyro Reignited Trilogy.

I'd appreciate some advice on whether I should buy the game as soon as its released or if I should wait it out and see if it will be released as all 3 games on the CD's later on? Either way I still plan on getting the game but I'd like some help about why a downloaded game is possible a bad thing?

Oh and if I pay £29.99 for the Spyro Reignited in physical copy and then have to download games 2 and 3, will it cost me more money on top of that to download the extra content?

Thank you!


Lots to unpack.

Before you do anything, just know that no ones opinion matters more than yours.  I'll help you and explain the facts to you and tell you reasons why someone would or wouldn't be upset about the download, but ultimately its your decision if it matters to you or not.
Starting with the PS3/Xbox 360 generation and battle, games started having patches and updates.  They even started to streamline the ability to buy digital games through the online store on the console.  For PS4's generation, this has become extremely common, and almost every game has regular updates, which is good, patches to fix games are good.  However, many people prefer not to purchase downloadable games because they don't want to rely on the PSN (Playstation Network) to offer that service continuously.  It is possible that in 15-20 years, PS4's PSN store will no longer be available, and possible the updates for games wont either.  This means that a game like Reignited Trilogy that may required internet to download most of the game will be unavailable for updates past the discontinue date.  This discontinue date would most likely not be before the year 2030, and would probably last longer than that, imo.

Personally, I think that PSN would prefer to not anger the masses and make their internet updating and purchase service just something that is available on every device after PS3, just like many devices like Roku and PS3 will continue to offer apps like Netflix with updates.  Because people are used to Sony constantly changing the rules for how the DRM (Digital rights management) is implimented between PS2, PS3 and now PS4, it makes people not willing to rely on the future of Sony's digital marketplace.

There is also the issue of people not having strong internet connections.  I feel bad for people who still have less than 1.0MB download speed, but I feel like that is the vast minority of people, and internet is only getting faster.  Worst case scenario, it may take someone a 24 hour period to download the game properly.

Some people also prefer physical media just because they want it to be tangible.  Bluray collections, cartridge bookshelves, game disc cases.  Some people love to show off the aesthetics of what they own in terms of entertainment.  As the digital age as struck us, some of us have chosen to adapt to a more purely digital streaming lifestyle of entertainment.  Both choices are viable and correct, only the availability of each is under debate.

It is still not 100% confirmed that Ripto's Rage and Year of the Dragon require download, but it does seem like that is the case.  If you buy the game physical disc copy, you will be required to use an internet connection to complete the full download of the game.  Ok, about cost.  None of downloading patches or the additional files to play the 2nd and 3rd games will require money.  Just an internet connection.  Playstation Plus is a subscription PS users can buy monthly to be able to play games online with other people and get discounts and exclusive from the PSN store.  Playstation Plus is NOT required to download regular updates to games, including first installation of the game.  In the future it is likely they will add additional content to the Reignited Trilogy for post-purchase.  This would be things like bonus levels, or extra content.  The complete remastering of the original trilogy will not cost extra, only new things they decide to make.  The reason this can be assumed, is that they are doing this for the Crash N. Sane Trilogy, by adding a full new level, and it costed $2 I think.


Ok, so you want advice.   Advice hmmm....   A wise dragon once told me to aim high in life, but watch out for flying boxes.

My first gut advice to you.  Don't buy a PS4 just for Spyro Reignited Trilogy.  If you buy a PS4, make sure that you would look forward to exploring other titles for the console, and maybe make the PS4 your new main media player.  It will play blu-rays, you can watch netflix on it, hulu, youtube, twitch, all the things like that.  Again, the only internet service that costs extra is buying digital games, and playing multiplayer online games (although free to play games are ultimately exempt from that but that's a whole 'nother discussion).  Also, it's not confirmed Reignited Trilogy is coming to Switch and PC, but come on.  It's totally coming to Switch and PC.  Probably next year, Summer-ish.  If you buy a PS4, Reignited Trilogy is a great title to start that new journey of buying a new console.  But there are several ways you can play this game, just maybe not all of them available from the beginning.

About the future, its possible, and I think likely, that Reignited Trilogy will have a refreshed version of the game that prints on discs.  This means that maybe by Christmas or by next Summer, there may be Reignited Trilogy game discs that DO have all three games on them.  This theory is based on Crash N. Sane Trilogy getting another print that has version 1.4 on the disc.  And it coincided with the release of Crash N. Sane Trilogy on Switch and PC.


So that's about it.


My opinion?  It's okay to download.  If you can live with not having a neato case for the game being shown off on your geek shelf, digital is an acceptable way to play the game, provided you have average or better internet to download the files (I think Reignited Trilogy will be around 30-40GB).

Feel free to ask more questions.

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Re: Spyro Reignited 2 and 3 is download only.

i wouldn't buy anything the first day it's released anymore sad seems like every game i hear about has a bunch of bugs that the developers have to patch up. and sometimes, the final game (once they patch everything...) ends up being significantly different than what you originally bought. (google "no man's sky" if you're bored!) granted i don't think that would happen with Spyro Reignited since they're just remakes, but you never know.


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#28 Aug 11, 2018 10:14 PM

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Re: Spyro Reignited 2 and 3 is download only.

Thank you so much for your very detailed and interesting post, riverhippo, you have really helped me to understand how it all works and I'm no longer sitting here in confusion! I really appreciate you taking the time to explain all of that to me.

I think what I will do is start looking into which console I think I will prefer, like you said, I shouldn't get a console just to play one game. So I'm going to go and look into what other titles might interest me for the PS4 and the X-box then make a decision on which console to buy - I will then wait until after the reignited Trilogy is released and get people's thoughts on it, speak to people on this forum before I decide if I want rush out and buy it immediately or wait it out, I've not played Spyro for at least 12 years now so another few months won't do any harm!

From what you've explained about downloads it doesn't sound all that bad to me, I do usually like to have a physical copy of things (that includes books, dvds etc) but if a download is the only way to go for Spyro then I think I'd be alright about it after you've explained how it works. To be honest I'm just super excited that I'm going to get to see Spyro again after all these years - its going to bring memories flooding back!

This forum is also great to see - so glad I found it and I'll get to share in the excitement of all us Spyro-heads when the game is released - the adventure continues!

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#29 Aug 12, 2018 7:39 AM

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Re: Spyro Reignited 2 and 3 is download only.

Autumn Plains wrote:

To be honest I'm just super excited that I'm going to get to see Spyro again after all these years - its going to bring memories flooding back!


As am I.  Seeing people's reactions to the Reignited Trilogy trailer and realizing they mirrored my response was very refreshing to me.  For a while, I was beginning to think everyone had forgotten.  Spyro's back.

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#30 Aug 13, 2018 6:37 AM

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These games are PS1 games. When you remaster PS1 games you don't just "require download" for 2 out of 3 games. We all know they can fit all three games on the disc. The real bad thing is Activision doesn't want you to sell used copies 10 years from now.

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#31 Aug 13, 2018 8:24 AM

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Re: Spyro Reignited 2 and 3 is download only.

I'm not a master of knowing how games licenses transfer from user to user or console to console.  In theory, anyone who has access to an account who owns a digital copy of a game, or access to a physical console that has the patches loaded properly, should be able to play the game in question.

For me though, it's just way more convenient to just have things digitally.  It stinks that I plan on buying this game multiple times so I can have it on multiple platforms, but I don't ever buy a game with the intuition that I'm going to sell the game later.  Not official yet, but the idea that it'll be coming to Steam has me feeling good about buying it on my Steam account and owning it for as long as computer gaming is a thing.  I do think that one of the reasons publishers release games in these tactics is so that used games are less likely to be sold.  But this time, I don't think that is the case.  I think it's more likely that the game wasn't fully finished in time, and they need to patch day 1 to make Ripto's Rage and Year of the Dragon playable.

Personally, I would recommend to everyone to just not buy games with the idea that you'll feel like selling the copies to cut your losses.  £30 for a 20-year remastering of three games that all together would have been priced around £90-£100 for new PS1 discs to me sounds like a great deal.  But the Spyro fan in me is just happy that they are doing it at all.  It's hard for me to see this as an anti-DRM business practice when the game they are releasing looks like a work of art.


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#32 Aug 13, 2018 9:52 PM

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That is what Activision is trying to do is all i'm saying. I'm not actually against the fact that you can't sell it but once steam, psn, xbox live and Nintendo go offline that's where a physical copy would be nice to have. I disliked Activision before, ( actually liked them growing up) but the fact that a P L A Y S T A T I O N 1 game being remaster on P L A Y S T A T I O N 4 (even if some of the largest.) needs a download at all shows  Activision dosn't care about appealing to Spyro fans. Spyro shouldn't really need a patch at all, it's Spyro it's not like you are online (not counting scores/leaderboard) They just want to get it out as soon as posible and they want to force downloaded content on people that don't want it to slowly convert them to digital downloads.


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Re: Spyro Reignited 2 and 3 is download only.

This entire thing, is a mess I hope more is confirmed soon.

But I'd say it's worth the download.

When and if the PC and Switch versions, happen. PC will happen, Switch not so sure about yet. When and if they happen those will be worth the download too that's just me though.


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Re: Spyro Reignited 2 and 3 is download only.

Spyro3Fan200 wrote:

...once steam, psn, xbox live and Nintendo go offline...

That's when we stop playing games then I guess, lol.

I'm sorry, I just can't ever take people seriously when they say things like this.  To me it's like saying music will be lost once radio, spotify and itunes go offline.

Rest assured,  there's evidence that suggests this wont be a problem, the Sony Playstation 5 is already rumored and talked about now, and the report is that they are working with AMD for processing, and it would be very similar to the architecture from the PS4, implying that nothing is stopping game libraries from transferring over.  I imagine Microsoft would do the same thing.  Nintendo, for all it glory, is actually the most guilty of double-dipping on game licenses.  So I can't speak for them.  They are typically the ones who are more than happy to charge for the same game 5 times.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/201 … 4-library/

"The final bit of evidence comes in the form of the new AMD Ryzen tech that Sony seems to be working with. While not confirmed to be the CPU that Sony will use in their next generation console, if Sony is indeed working with it, it would mean that the PS4 and PS5 architecture are very similar. The PS4 currently uses a modified AMD Jaguar. One of the biggest things preventing the PS4 from backwards compatibility with PS3 games was the leap from the Cell architecture on the PS3, which was a vastly different hardware environment. If PS4 and PS5 are more similar (using the Jaguar and Ryzen CPUs respectively), it would be possible to allow users to carry over their PS4 libraries."


I really hope that console generations will no longer be seen as a finite era where your games are your games and you can't move them around.  If I want to play Wolfenstien 3D, I need not to play it on a old computer running DOS with a CRT monitor and install the game using a floppy disk.  If consoles want us to buy their games, they need to be more convenient than that.  I think a console like the PS5, would really be just a PS4 Pro...  Pro.  It's not a new console, it's just the next step.

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riverhippo wrote:
Spyro3Fan200 wrote:

...once steam, psn, xbox live and Nintendo go offline...

I'm sorry, I just can't ever take people seriously when they say things like this.  To me it's like saying music will be lost once radio, spotify and itunes go offline.

The thing about that is, a music artist would prefere you to buy the physical cd containing their albums' because they actually do make more money that way. Now Spotify and the record label takes a cut of that money ythe artist gets from the ads you watch listen to. Some of the popular artsit actually still publish cd's still and guess what I get the whole album on the disc no download required in 2018 (get with the times Activision). The reason they allow their music online on these services for you to listen to is because that is where people listen to music online these days and they have to make money somehow. It's different with video games because if any game publisher decides to not release another version of any game for some time... (lets say decades)and there is no other service that provides that game anymore thenat that point it's truly lost. Additonally, to get stright to the point of why it's a bad thing that the game requires a download is the fact that it requires a download. There is no reason that it should, a blue ray disc cold hold atleast 100 GB of space(more than enough to remaster 3 PS1 games.). I can't wait to see how large the patch is if it's like 30 gb (maybe a little mor eor less.) They could had found a way to put that on a disc.


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#36 Aug 15, 2018 1:49 AM

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I know the game is coming for Nintendo Switch, guys just messing probably next year.  Till then PS4 and Xbox One versions are looking great!


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#37 Aug 15, 2018 4:18 AM

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Spyro3Fan200 wrote:

The thing about that is, a music artist would prefere you to buy the physical cd containing their albums' because they actually do make more money that way. Now Spotify and the record label takes a cut of that money ythe artist gets from the ads you watch listen to. Some of the popular artsit actually still publish cd's still and guess what I get the whole album on the disc no download required in 2018 (get with the times Activision). The reason they allow their music online on these services for you to listen to is because that is where people listen to music online these days and they have to make money somehow. It's different with video games because if any game publisher decides to not release another version of any game for some time... (lets say decades)and there is no other service that provides that game anymore thenat that point it's truly lost. Additonally, to get stright to the point of why it's a bad thing that the game requires a download is the fact that it requires a download. There is no reason that it should, a blue ray disc cold hold atleast 100 GB of space(more than enough to remaster 3 PS1 games.). I can't wait to see how large the patch is if it's like 30 gb (maybe a little mor eor less.) They could had found a way to put that on a disc.

I understand the frustration.  I still think the physical edition people are wanting will exist at some point.  I just don't think it will exist in September.  If it's a problem, then wait.


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#38 Aug 15, 2018 5:24 AM

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Not sure if this will help anyone feel better about this whole mess or not, but it's something. It makes sense and I think there's a very good possibility that he's right. Here's hoping.

Also, sorry if this was already shared.


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#39 Aug 15, 2018 10:57 PM

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Re: Spyro Reignited 2 and 3 is download only.

Yep, just watched it.  The Gamefly clue definitely confirmed that there is no DRM restriction.

The only argument left is if they should release the game.  And like I said before, I expected them to delay it before Summer hit, just because Crash also got delayed, and basically every Activision game that isn't a FPS gets delayed.  But here we are and it seems as though they are trying to hit the launch window and trying to build the plane in the sky.  I know this doesn't put everyone's mind at ease, but at least we know more about the reasons why this is happening the way it is.

I do think a physical copy with all three COMPLETE games will be available at some point.  Be patient.  Be excited.  Be Spyro.


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#40 Aug 16, 2018 8:46 PM

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If they delay it then Activision will get more respect from people. If they don't delay the game, even if the games are on the disc if there is a patch for a single player game you're going to have people upset over that. For me, to know that I can play through all 3 games without a patch or an internet connection is great. May not be the best performing version but it's nice to know that hese remasters won't be lost in time.


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#41 Aug 17, 2018 4:40 AM

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So they delayed the game until November 13th, but as of right now, it still seems to require a download to play 2 and 3.

You wanted a delay?  You got it, lol.

Activision: "I heard there's some respect for me?"


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...even if the games are on the disc if there is a patch for a single player game you're going to have people upset over that.

Every game has patches.  Every single one.  There is no discrimination.  I know what you're saying is that you want to be able to plug in and play, but even if that's the case, the game is 100% going to have a day 1 patch, and probably a few more patches over the next year.  These days, game developers don't stop developing their game until 6-12 months after release at the earliest.  That's not an Activision thing, or a greedy triple A company thing.  It's an every game thing.

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They just delayed it . I'm so happy right now (not sarcastic). Here's a video by CrystalFissure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxfsJEhYkU8

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That did explain some stuff so happy, maybe some stuff was cleared up.


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I wasnt saying patches shouldnt exist. Even though they shouldn't for Spyro I was saying that the games should be on the disc even if not in perfect condition. The patches I have no problem with.It's when I have to update the game (which at this point it doesn't seem like it.) just to get more than half the game  That's what I was saying.


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I can't run this experiment, but I always wondered what the load times are like on a game that is running off the disc with no internet help.  My guess is that the disc installs on the HDD anyway so it ends up being the same.  Anyone confirm this?


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Some consoles like the Xbox 360 and PS3 let you install the entire disc on the hard drive. You just need the disc to verify that you didn't pirate the game. Not all games have an install option, but most popular ones do. If you play on the Xbox 360 for example some of the last major games required installations but most of the games through it's lifespan made it optional it wouldn't even bring it up if you didn't know about installing your disc to the console. The PS3 makes you install a lot of disc games to it's hard drive compared to the 360. (I don't know much about Xbox 1 an PS4 but they do it too I think.) You never really have issues with long loading times unless you just don't install the game to the hard drive. Some games like Sonic The Hedgehog (06) can be installed to the hard drive but you don't see a difference because the quality of the game is really bad. In order to really see the difference between running of the disc and on the hard drive make sure you are testing a finished game that can at least load properly.


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Re: Spyro Reignited 2 and 3 is download only.

Full confirmation:

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/10/29 … 517d0005f4

Activision has confirmed to IGN that "The trilogy will ship with content from each of the three games, including the entire first game and a subset of levels from games 2 and 3. In order for the full Reignited Trilogy offerings, a day one update is required.

When asked for further clarification, Activision confirmed this means some full levels will be included on the Reignited Trilogy disc, and other full levels will need to be downloaded as part of a Day 1 update. So, should someone purchase the Trilogy on disc but not be able to connect their console to the internet, they would be able to play those levels on the disc, but not the full, original level suites of Spyro: Ripto's Rage and Spyro: Year of the Dragon."


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Re: Spyro Reignited 2 and 3 is download only.

Alright some clarification thank goodness.

Game is out soon. So this discussed was good, a day one patch still seems a bit crazy but I'm okay with it.

Hope everyone enjoys the game, don't be discouraged by having to upload the patch get the game and enjoy the charming, nostalgic games that made most of us. Spyro fans.

If you are still don't want it that's fine don't get if you don't want it.

Anyway should be fun going to be great.


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