Angels.

Swaffy · Oct 04, 2009 7:16 PM

You may ignore this if you want, I simply wanted to share this
with someone.

http://www.makeminechristian.com/angels2.html

Nightfall · Oct 04, 2009 7:21 PM

Wow. I've always wondered if carrying a cross does things for you. I'm gonna wear my cross necklace more often.

And I believe in angels as well. Well, I hope they exist. The thought of a guardian angel is so reassuring.

But incredible story Swaffy. smile

Phoenix_Flyer · Oct 04, 2009 9:31 PM

Wow, that's one heck of a story. He was a lucky guy. My opinion is a complicated one, though I'll have a go at explaining it.
I view myself as agnostic; I went to a catholic primary school as well as a catholic secondary school, so I am familiar with Christian beliefs in their entirety. However, I only ever went to church when it was with school (bar one time we went to an Ash Wednesday service as well as weddings and wedding blessings, but it was with very christian friends) and I haven't had Holy Communion, so I only ever received a blessing. In short, I haven't been to mass for over two years.
I don't particularly believe in God; I have never seen anything that has led me to unconditionally believe in God though I do believe in a higher power, something greater than us must exist, as miracles do happen. However, what makes us think that it was 'God' that performs the miracles? If it had happened to a Buddhist they would believe it was their god, as a muslim would one of theirs if it was them. Therefore, how to we know it was the work of angels? For all we know it could have been luck, surviving a crash like that is practically impossible, but theoretically it can be done.
What I'm getting at is that I do believe in something guiding us, though I'd use the term 'angel' loosely. However, I see no point in worrying about angels and the like. Praying for a miracle won't necessarily help something positive happen, as often it doesn't. I think it's much better to continue with life, if a miracle comes your way, embrace it... And thank whatever bloody higher power saved you or someone you loved.

cheesypower · Oct 04, 2009 10:47 PM

In my opinion, if God exists, the answer to the question "well, why would he allow all this suffering?" is that he lets us humans make decisions and reap what we sow, affecting our world only in what we like to call coincidence, accident, ect. In other words, if God created us to be able to make our own decisions, why would he force us to live right, thus denying us that choice? He wants to help, but he isn't going to make a big flash of light that erases all prostitutes, politicians, ect. In other words, He plays by the rules he set in place. He won't make objects float in the air or cause a bridge to melt, but he will arrange things so that seemingly random conditions all merge to achieve His goal.

Rykan · Oct 05, 2009 11:00 AM

I believe God isn't a person or a single entity... it's more like a huge group of entities melted in one, like a mass concience.... we have free will, the ability to make a choice, to chose between good and evil, but things are more than that... there arent' just two opposites, but a full row of shades between white and black... each people changes shade many times during his course of life, influenced by friends, loves, foes, and all that surrounded him... we are like a giant web, each of our lives intertwine itself with the other in a random pattern... but still we can have the chance to choose... the light, the goodness that live in our hearts is like a searchlight in the sky... lonely it can do little, but in a moltitude it can lighten the darkest night ever... I believe that God is light, the ensemble of all lights scattered among the world...our world and others... all conciences together in a single entity, a single stream of light.... teh same with darkness....

I believe in higher entities, like angels, with stronger powers that guards upon the people, guiding them sometimes, hunting bad influences, or simply observing us... like scions of the principles of light....
but if angels exist, demons exist too, wrecking havoc among people, tainting innocence, spreading corruption...

Evil is in each of us; someone support them, others fight it.

midget_roxx · Oct 05, 2009 12:06 PM

Did anyone else notice that at the bottom where it says "click next to read another angel story" that theres isn't a link xD

But that bloke is just lucky. I've seen another thing where this guy missed a bridge (its about 5m across) over a gorge (200+m down) but instead of falling he hit a rock and the car flipped over the gap saving him tongue .

Btw this will be locked for having "something, maybe, remotely to do with religiousness" -.-

Rykan · Oct 05, 2009 12:17 PM

I've seen that broken link... and yes you're right... this thread might be closed... hmm

Naegling · Oct 05, 2009 11:42 PM

thats one heck of a story but im pretty sure the mods will close it.

Malefor2010 · Oct 06, 2009 1:49 AM

midget_roxx wrote:

Did anyone else notice that at the bottom where it says "click next to read another angel story" that theres isn't a link xD
But that bloke is just lucky. I've seen another thing where this guy missed a bridge (its about 5m across) over a gorge (200+m down) but instead of falling he hit a rock and the car flipped over the gap saving him .
Btw this will be locked for having "something, maybe, remotely to do with religiousness" -.-

ya i notice dosn't work tongue

Nightfall · Oct 06, 2009 12:23 PM

Rykan wrote:

I've seen that broken link... and yes you're right... this thread might be closed...

As long as no one goes into too much detail about religion, then it'll be OK I guess.

Rykan · Oct 06, 2009 12:44 PM

I believe so... Anyway. the topic has something fascinating!! big_smile

dragon protector x · Oct 06, 2009 8:39 PM

Me? I just call that luck. Like many other incidents...

RedDragonX · Oct 06, 2009 10:47 PM

Here is the deal. I'm willing to let this one slide from the rules if you all stay along the path of presenting your own opinions and keeping any enormous amount of bickering to yourselves, then I won't close it.

If I say anything however that may relate to attempting to press your beliefs on others or just arguing for the sake of arguing then it will be closed.

As for me, most of my beliefs have already been stated. I really don't know if their is a God out there, and none of us do. The way I see it, nobody was there when all of these religious events occurred those many years ago, so none of us knows exactly what happened or if the events described haven't been tampered with.

I do believe that something guides us through this life...and I find it hard to believe that human existence as a whole is just one big accident. Look at a single strand of DNA and such, billion of genetic coding that just sprung up and took to the planet. Look at the Universe at a whole and the billions upon billions of other worlds that are out there.

I like to more believe that religion is through the right action. I believe the greatest faith one can have is faith in oneself and that in my mind is the inner faith many can describe as the essence of a holy presence.

In short...we won't know till we die...and we were not there when it happened. So technically nobody has an ultimately correct view on the subject. At least the odds are far from good.

Anyways my rule stands above. Any serious flamming or religions arguments will result in this being closed.

Neotyguy40 · Oct 07, 2009 4:04 AM

I'm not sure what to believe, I guess I am a mixed atheist.

The thing is, I see too much proof of everything together.

On the christian side, there was Jesus, but he was Jewish! Which brings it back to the base of Christianity and Catholicism - Muslim.

Then there's the occultists who have proof by that astral projection stuff (pretty fun =P). The buddhists have their predictions that come true...

Jeez, if you think about it... I would say ALL of them are correct.

Although it doesn't matter if you go to hell or not since in 20 years we will live forever.

Aicebo · Oct 07, 2009 4:26 AM

IMO every religion is pretty much the same, except that they all have different names for their Gods. Of course, scientology is a little different because it's about planets, but all of the basic everyday religions is what I think of to be the same.

I won't say any more.

midget_roxx · Oct 07, 2009 7:03 AM

Scientology still isnt really considered a Church (France doesn't recognise them). True that every religion is much the same with teh exception being Buddhism

Rykan · Oct 09, 2009 1:35 PM

Neotyguy40 wrote:

I'm not sure what to believe, I guess I am a mixed atheist.
The thing is, I see too much proof of everything together.
On the christian side, there was Jesus, but he was Jewish! Which brings it back to the base of Christianity and Catholicism - Muslim.
Then there's the occultists who have proof by that astral projection stuff (pretty fun =P). The buddhists have their predictions that come true...
Jeez, if you think about it... I would say ALL of them are correct.
Although it doesn't matter if you go to hell or not since in 20 years we will live forever.

I wouldn't like that! to live forever.... everything done by the robots inside ourselves... what's the point on living so long if anything worth of the work and the tirerness of doing it is done by something else?? the satisfaction, the pride on achieve something thanks to ourselves, thanks to our abilities, without any help, without any suggestion, just US... the way we are... handicaped, with low IQ, whatever, it is just US, and the meaning beyond life is the pride we have building something with our bare hands... not the object in itself taht we achieve.... life is a constant search for gaining what we want.... but once we have what we wanted we end up having nothing for real, cuz it's not the goal we truly search, but everything we have gained, learned in the research, while achieving that goal.... if we take this away we take away the reason, the meaning of living.... and then a death could be what we could really want....

Swaffy · Oct 16, 2009 5:47 AM

- Christianity
- Islam
- Marxism
- Secular Humanism
- Cosmic Humanism
- Postmodernism

The 6 religions of the world.
[Atheism is part of Secular Humanism.]

Aceedwin · Oct 16, 2009 5:38 PM

Hmmm?

The More statiscally viable six major religions of the world.

Christianity
Islam
Hinduism
Buddhism
Judaism
Sikhism

Atheism isn't a religion, it's a position about belief in gods. Buddhists are mostly atheists, and, in a way, so are scientologists, so far as they merely revere their cosmic idols, as far as I can tell.

If atheism is to be made a religion, so is monotheism. And that means that all Muslims, Jews, Christians, and, I think, Sikhs are all in the same religion.

As to the story, I wonder how many people have car crashes a year? And how many of the people involved wear crosses?

Huh, not sure if I'll be able to resist flinging myself into a religious debate. Hold it in ace, hold it in.

RedDragonX · Oct 16, 2009 7:39 PM

Aceedwin wrote:

Hmmm?
The More statiscally viable six major religions of the world.
Christianity
Islam
Hinduism
Buddhism
Judaism
Sikhism
Atheism isn't a religion, it's a position about belief in gods. Buddhists are mostly atheists, and, in a way, so are scientologists, so far as they merely revere their cosmic idols, as far as I can tell.
If atheism is to be made a religion, so is monotheism. And that means that all Muslims, Jews, Christians, and, I think, Sikhs are all in the same religion.
As to the story, I wonder how many people have car crashes a year? And how many of the people involved wear crosses?
Huh, not sure if I'll be able to resist flinging myself into a religious debate. Hold it in ace, hold it in.

Yes I highly suggest that you don't go into that. It's against the forum rules and I would hate to ban you again after just getting back on.

Swaffy · Oct 16, 2009 9:13 PM

Belief systems.

Aceedwin · Oct 17, 2009 7:35 AM

It's fine now. I found a philosophy forum where I can punch the hell out of religion, so I can remain calm over here. Yay!

midget_roxx · Oct 17, 2009 8:22 AM

Swaffy since when is Maxism a religiong :S:S:S. If Maxism is a religion then Liberalism, Stalinsm, Maoism and Leninism can also be religions :S

bmah · Oct 17, 2009 8:40 AM

Marxism isn't a "religion", no. An idealistic socialist viewpoint, but that's not religion.

Btw midget_roxx, you really should fix up your spelling or something. It looks really unimpressive. >_>

RedDragonX · Oct 17, 2009 11:38 PM

midget_roxx wrote:

Swaffy since when is Maxism a religiong :S:S:S. If Maxism is a religion then Liberalism, Stalinsm, Maoism and Leninism can also be religions :S

Unless you want the rules to come crashing down on your head then don't bring up that kind of stuff please. This topic should be locked anyways but I've kept it open so people can at least present their beliefs without tempting to draw out vicious reactions.

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