Animal cruelty.

Kazoobie64 · Oct 24, 2008 2:24 AM

A Guy wrote:

I do not believe in animal rights.

Man, I'm sorry but I'm reading this as "who cares that a puppy gets chopped to pieces it's just an animal." Seriously, I'm not sure what else you were meaning to say by saying this phrase when this wasn't even on the subject of animal rights, just on the punishments for animal cruelty.

bmah · Oct 25, 2008 2:37 AM

raven wrote:

Spyrorocks wrote:
Its sad sure... But the legal system is messed up. People receive bigger punishments for killing animals than people.
What do people get for murder in Canada?

Depends on the seriousness and intention for the murder (1st degree, 2nd degree, etc.). I think the high end is life in prison; else it could be anywhere up to 25 years or so. No death penalties.

Swaffy · Oct 25, 2008 4:55 AM

I...

raven, brother, this reminds me of a very similar situation that took place
not long ago where I live. Please allow me to tell you, I need to let it out.
Some details might be slightly off because the story is getting aged.

Two teenagers, age ~16-18 years of age, found a puppy and decided to
torture it. First what they did, was they walked up to the third floor of a
nearby building, and threw the puppy out of the wondow, breaking its
legs. Next, they went back up to the same floor, and threw it out of the
window once more. By now, the puppy is slightly unconcious. Then, the
two teenagers hung the dog from a tree by its hind legs. After this,
they took a whip-type of object like the Cat of Nine Tails from the Bible
(It's a whip, and in the whip contains pieces of sharp glass and metal that
could rip the skin off of a human) and a baseball bat, and started beating
the puppy with them. After mutilating the outside of the puppie's body,
they took a rusty knife and skinned it. Police were saying that they think
the puppy was still alive and breathing by this time. Next, I think the two
teenagers took either a sledge hammer or a chainsaw... something very
horrible... and slaughtered the dog, finishing it off. Whatever happened
after this I don't know.

-.- rest in peace

Ember · Oct 25, 2008 10:53 AM

:'( Swaffy, that story makes me want to cry. I believe that people who hurt animals or other people are bullies, who are sick-minded and think that torturing innocent creatures is acceptable, when it's disgusting. How would they like it if someone said to them "Oh, I'm so bored, do you mind if I torture and kill you?" because that's what they do to animals. Animal abuse is sick and wrong.

Paranoia · Oct 25, 2008 2:11 PM

A Guy wrote:

I do not believe in animal rights.

Are you saying what those people did was okay? You don't have to be all: "Save the Animals" to know that what they did was cruel and unnecessary.

Fletch_Talon · Oct 25, 2008 2:42 PM

Kazoobie64 wrote:

A Guy wrote:
I do not believe in animal rights.
Man, I'm sorry but I'm reading this as "who cares that a puppy gets chopped to pieces it's just an animal." Seriously, I'm not sure what else you were meaning to say by saying this phrase when this wasn't even on the subject of animal rights, just on the punishments for animal cruelty.

its probably just narcissism on my part, but i generally see comments like that from a guy as being an attempt to provoke argument, primarily from me... because, like me, he enjoys the drama which spills forth

and may i add this totally isnt a provocative post to get a guy to respond to this thread >_>

A Guy · Oct 25, 2008 3:22 PM

DDR_Maniac wrote:

A Guy wrote:
I do not believe in animal rights.
Are you saying what those people did was okay? You don't have to be all: "Save the Animals" to know that what they did was cruel and unnecessary.

I am not justifying what they did. I just do not believe that killing an animal, even if it was in a horrible way, should give as harsh a penalty as killing a human.

Fletch, you might want to watch your step.

Swaffy · Oct 25, 2008 3:23 PM

DDR_Maniac wrote:

A Guy wrote:
I do not believe in animal rights.
Are you saying what those people did was okay? You don't have to be all: "Save the Animals" to know that what they did was cruel and unnecessary.

That's true, bro. Like Maniac said, You may not like dogs as pets, but you
can still care about what was done with them. I have a dog named Bailey.
I really don't like that stupid dog (yeah, she's 0% smart), even though
she chews on EVERYTHING on the floor, but I will never
physically harm her.

A Guy · Oct 25, 2008 3:30 PM

Dogs are my favorite animals. However, I do not believe that torturing them should be punished the same way as torturing a human.

cooldude22345 · Oct 26, 2008 6:45 AM

what he's pretty much saying is that you probably would rather have a dog killed then a human. I love dogs, but not enough to have somebody else tortured in the same way.

Now, if the two guys were a threat to society, then they should be sent to jail and get boyfriends.

Fletch_Talon · Oct 27, 2008 5:42 AM

A Guy wrote:

Fletch, you might want to watch your step.

is that so? please, elaborate so that myself and others may better understand why i need to "watch my step", honestly you sound like an 8 year old playing online multiplayer games

and cooldude, they tortured and killed someone's pet, that would qualify as a threat to society in my opinion, it proves quite clearly that they have sadistic tendancies (ie. they enjoy causing pain) and just because they take it out on something that cant speak english or use tools or walk on its hind legs (well...most dogs cant anyway) doesnt mean they never will, animals cant defend themselvesfrom adult humans, neither can small children it wouldnt take much to make the transition from one to the other

also they'd never be tortured, as satisfying as it would be to see them endure a fraction of the pain and suffering they put the puppy through, its never going to happen in a westernised country (unless america lets us ship them off somewhere nice and secret) but stick them in jail (for longer than 2 years), its punishment, not torture

Kazoobie64 · Oct 27, 2008 7:04 AM

I've never believed in the death penalty all that much anyway, and I don't really agree with what everyone considers "punishment." IE. Stick 'em in a cell for years and years. You might as well kill them!

While I don't hold an animal's life in higher regard to a human, I don't really think a human's life can be so heavily valued just because they are human. If they go around doing barbaric things I don't even think they can be considered human anymore.

What about that one guy that stole his ex's dog, decapitated it with a chainsaw and sent her the head by mail? She was already in a weak mental state, that dog was therapeutic to her, so you can imagine what could have happened when she saw it. Honestly, it just depends on the crime. Even "animal cruelty" has its types.

I agree mostly with a punishment based on the mentality of the criminal, but for this there would have to be extensive psychological research. My ideal punishment would be a way to get into a certain criminal's mind and hit it where it hurts until they somehow feel so guilty over what they've done that it's basically torture. Some people are just bad seeds though.

cooldude22345 · Oct 27, 2008 2:28 PM

maybe the two dudes were satanists...?

I don't know.

Fletch_Talon · Oct 27, 2008 2:42 PM

you kinda hit the nail on the head with the "bad seeds" remark, some people just dont feel guilt no matter what

on the topic of crimes, the law needs to be reviewed, there are laws around which are there to protect the innocent, but instead end up helping the guilty get away with things

for example, i was watching dirty harry last night, and the criminal had a girl buried alive, they figured out where the crook lived and went down to smashhis door in and make him tell them where the girl was. then because they didnt get a warrant first, they werent allowed to use any of the evidence they found there. also, the cop got in trouble for shooting the guy in the leg (he had been trying to run) and standing on it to get him to tell them where the girl was (they werent sure if shewas dead yet)

so first of all we have the whole "warrant" thing for searching people's property, now as happy as i am that police cant come into my house any time they wanted and trash the place, we need a bit of common sense, they knew *bleep* well that this guy was thekiller, they had evidence to prove it, but they get punished for not spending the precious hours it would likely take to get a warrant to go after this guy. i think if evidence is found, and it can be proven that evidence pointed to that person prior to a search, then evidence should be admissable, if no evidence is found and property is damaged then the police should be liable to pay damages and whatever other issues that may arise.

then we have the whole torture thing, now, if you have to cause an immoral (or evil) human being a heckload of pain to save an innocent one's life then so be it, once again they knew *bleep* well it was him, any rights he has should go out the door until he tells them where the victim is. heck we dont hesitate to kill a criminal if it will save someone, so why should we not do everything in our power to save avictim in a case like that

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and i like the idea of prison as a punishment, kindof, because its not like death, its worse, or at least it has the potential to be worse, freedom is a beautiful thing, and those whose beliefs are spiritual or religious in nature think the greatest freedom will be in the afterlife. eg. the bali bombers, death is too good for them, make them suffer, make them watch as their fellow religious fanatics get rounded up and defeated.

and make them attend the opening of the first mcdonalds in iraq/afghanistan/iran/wherever and force feed them triple cheeseburger happy meals with american flags as the special toys

note: i dont condone the invasion of iraq by america but i hought itd be funny to incorporate macdonalds into a form of torture

PS. im tired disregard as warranted

cooldude22345 wrote:

maybe the two dudes were satanists...?
I don't know.

sorry for the double post, but please note that Satanist does not equal evil person who makes sacrifices to a dark evil lord of hell

satanism (i think thats what its called) is a religion based on confidence in ones self and to put yourself before others, because this is very different (nearly the opposite) of what christianity teaches, they decided to name it after the bad guy in the christian bible

its basically like

christianity = be nice to (most)people/do what we tell you
satanism = put yourself first/do what feels good

{Just edit your post next time.}

Game_Girl_2007 · Oct 27, 2008 4:49 PM

Violence against animals is one thing I will NOT stand for! Anyone who causes pain or death to an animal deserves nothing but the same treatment!

I HATE people. But I LOVE animals.

bmah · Oct 27, 2008 5:16 PM

Kazoobie64 wrote:

My ideal punishment would be a way to get into a certain criminal's mind and hit it where it hurts until they somehow feel so guilty over what they've done that it's basically torture. Some people are just bad seeds though.

Something like this?

i-am-a-thief-i-stole-from-walmart-shoplifting-sign1.jpg

Note: the woman was ordered by court to do this in front of the public as punishment

Spyrorocks · Oct 27, 2008 5:45 PM

By law, a person is considered "insane" if, at the time of the incident, they cannot differentiate right from wrong.

A Guy · Oct 27, 2008 9:26 PM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

A Guy wrote:
Fletch, you might want to watch your step.
is that so? please, elaborate so that myself and others may better understand why i need to "watch my step", honestly you sound like an 8 year old playing online multiplayer games

Because I've learned to report trolling.

Aicebo · Oct 27, 2008 9:40 PM

Doesn't seem like trolling to me.
It's not like he's insulting, he just seems to be proving his points.

Kamineko · Oct 27, 2008 9:42 PM

Aicebo wrote:

Doesn't seem like trolling to me.
It's not like he's insulting, he just seems to be proving his points.

insulting and trolling are two very different things.

A Guy · Oct 27, 2008 9:44 PM

Aicebo wrote:

Doesn't seem like trolling to me.
It's not like he's insulting, he just seems to be proving his points.

Seemed to me like he wanted a reaction out of me...

Aicebo · Oct 27, 2008 9:49 PM

A Guy wrote:

Aicebo wrote:
Doesn't seem like trolling to me.
It's not like he's insulting, he just seems to be proving his points.
Seemed to me like he wanted a reaction out of me...

Well, now you know how I feel. tongue

A Guy · Oct 27, 2008 10:01 PM

Aicebo wrote:

A Guy wrote:
Aicebo wrote:
Doesn't seem like trolling to me.
It's not like he's insulting, he just seems to be proving his points.
Seemed to me like he wanted a reaction out of me...
Well, now you know how I feel.

I used jokes that were meant to be taken innocently.

Fletch is daring me to respond.

However, I'll just wait till a more obvious trolling attempt from him comes along.

Stormy · Oct 27, 2008 11:22 PM

you sound like an 8 year old playing online multiplayer games

I happen to agree with A_Guy that that particular statement sounds rude. Watch it, Fletch; I know you have a tendency to do that.

Fletch_Talon · Oct 28, 2008 12:34 AM

A Guy wrote:

Aicebo wrote:
A Guy wrote:
Seemed to me like he wanted a reaction out of me...
Well, now you know how I feel.
I used jokes that were meant to be taken innocently.
Fletch is daring me to respond.
However, I'll just wait till a more obvious trolling attempt from him comes along.

"I don't believe in animal rights"

in a thread about the torture and death of an animal that the majority of people agreed was sick disgustingand many other adjectives which i would love to put more colourful language in front of

and you actually try to say "I" was trolling

and my response to it was truthful, in my eyes you have done the same thing in the past, you seemed to do it even more so after you made your "im not getting in arguments anymore" thread, the only difference being that you would make the provocative comment, and then state that you werent going to argue about it, then sit back and watch whatever happens

heck, in a thred about people loving jesus, you typed something like "fletch should be here any moment" as if im anti-religious, yes i disagree with a number of things that christianity preaches, but last i checked, loving jesus never did anyone any harm

so how about next time, "you" watch "your" step, and take the time to write what you actually mean, so it doesnt get taken as trolling, unless of course you actually do not believe that animals have any rights whatsoever and that people should have the right to torture and kill any living thing provided its not human

@stormy, that was in response to a guys "threat" yes it was rude, it was meant to be, if someone tells me to watch my step or watch myself then i am going to react, since it was online where his threats are inevitably empty i made that remark. for the record getting reported for trolling isnt overly threatening, doesnt mean i want it to happen but the way he said it made it sound like it would be followed by "i know where you live and i know a guy who knows a guy whose gonna beat you up"

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