With or against stem cells?

Kazoobie64 · Oct 17, 2008 3:39 PM

Don't worry, most of my post was sarcastic anyway.

bmah · Oct 17, 2008 9:41 PM

Sorry, my sarcasm detector just failed.

Fletch_Talon · Oct 18, 2008 7:36 AM

dragon protector x wrote:

Kazoobie64 wrote:
Sure, anything can be considered murder if you look at it that way. Popping a wart is murder because you're killing cells. Having an abortion before 3 months into a pregnancy is murder because you're killing some cells that haven't even developed to be considered a baby! If you think it's wrong to mess with mother nature or destroy the POSSIBILITY of a baby, that's cool with me, but calling that sort of thing "baby killing" has always baffled me.
Yes your killing cells but its cells...Cells die all the time but the real debate in this matter is on the Soul itself of a living being. Stem cells are cells that could become anything... Technecly if they still havent been decided apon what they going to make then they are nothing but a blob of cells. We still dont know when a body gets its soul, but we know that when the body stops functioning its soul is able to leave therfour it is dead. A body is nothing but a capsole for a soul. The capsole takes damage but the soul only feels it.
Stem Cells are just Cells. Its only the life of the cells untill they are decided till then maybe thats when the Cells gain a soul they bound around.

i think thebig question should be is the term "soul" separable from the term "mind"

a soul is generally considered (in my experience) to be the essence of a human being that continues to exist in the afterlife, and its also often attributed to being the source of emotions, personality and conscience... so pretty much everything that makes us individuals

the problem is, we now know that emotions are caused by hormones and personality/conscience is a combination of hormones and the way we are raised, in other words, it all comes back to the brain or "mind"

so if the 2, soul and mind, are in fact the same thing, how can we say that a fertilised egg, which hasnt developped enough to have a brain/mind, has a soul

dragon protector x · Oct 21, 2008 4:56 AM

There is acctualy a weight to a soul... Science has learned. My dad told me that a guy was dieing and they put him on a super sensitive scale....when he exhailed they measered his weight and hin hailed... When he died his weight was a little less then when he exhaled all his air. So Science has proven that Souls exist but were they come from and were they go when one dies, it is still a mystery.

Phoenix_Flyer · Oct 21, 2008 7:43 AM

Couldn't that have been something else? Your lungs never fully deflate when you are alive, even when you breath out as much as you can. They only fully deflate when you die. Though, in saying that, the weight of a gas is just about negligable....

Fletch_Talon · Oct 21, 2008 11:38 AM

not to mention when people die generally all their muscles relax resulting in the somewhat ugly(-er) side of death in which they soil themselves, that would certainly lose him some weight

in other words as phoenix flyer has said even if that story your dad told you actually occurred it doesnt prove anything, especially not the existance of a soul, what it does do is raise questions, when you get an answer to those questions you have proven something (basically, though its near impossible to ever prove some things 100%)

bmah · Oct 21, 2008 5:27 PM

dpx might be reasoning from a more spiritual point of view than a scientific one, Fletch. IMO, I myself agree that it proves nothing though.

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