what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?

Stormy · Dec 15, 2008 3:46 PM

And notice the TLoS-ers barely ever come up with reasons why you're actually wrong; they just scream "NOOOO UR RONNG!!!!11 TLOS PWNZ U!!!11" at you. Well, that's what most of the arguments I've had with them consist of, anyway, not so much on this forum (thank goodness) but other forums. That and "U CANT ACCEPT CHANGE!!!111" =P

But yeah, the Sierra forums are going to be filled with Sierra supporters. Because it's the Sierra forums. =P

And also, XRedDragonX, remember, it's not necessarily because it's different that we don't like it. If it turned out to be different and was actually a good game, I wouldn't mind.

Jackson117 · Dec 15, 2008 11:30 PM

Oh about the giant rabbit we can make it raving so like what the raving rabbits say: DUUUUHHHHHHHH

RedDragonX · Dec 16, 2008 3:51 AM

When it comes ot most fans that is...I didn't point anyone out in particular...but most will have the originals in their mind first thing and that's that...you can't change that part of human nature when people have their minds and hearts set on one thing...if you personally like something then that's great...but I have yet to see one of the old fans who actually did enjoy the game as a whole lol...so your displeasure with it is clearly not just because the game in general was a disappointment...but again that's just my feeling.

And as for the whole Sierra forum thing...well no crap if you go over to the forum for the developers who made the game you will find a bunch of LoS supporters...that's just common sense....and many of those fans have just started with a new series that they enjoy much like many of us did with the originals...and seeing as how most of use were pretty young then....go figure most of them are...and they can't debate for crap...they just have what they love and that's LoS....all of us were their at one point...some just have the ability now to validate such points..mostly thanks to grown common sense and personal views...just comes with age.

Anyways so you go over there and they bash you...they are over here and you bash them...so it doesn't really seem to matter in the end now does it...we can only wait and see which direction they will go from here.

ratchet · Dec 16, 2008 4:38 AM

Eh, How Biased Sierra forums are....The Anti-TLOS topics all get Locked while other topics which get bumped, usually TLOS supporting ones, are gladly bumped.

RedDragonX · Dec 16, 2008 4:44 AM

It's Sierra's forums based on Sierra's games lol...of course they are going to be biased towards the LoS series...the forum would be a place to discuss events going on with their development...and I doubt that they are keeon on supporting topics that have nothing to do with what they are trying to create.

Jackson117 · Dec 16, 2008 5:30 AM

Stormy wrote:

And notice the TLoS-ers barely ever come up with reasons why you're actually wrong; they just scream "NOOOO UR RONNG!!!!11 TLOS PWNZ U!!!11" at you. .

Maybe because they are brainwashed by serria

Kazoobie64 · Dec 16, 2008 5:36 AM

Wait a minute, are they locking threads that have intelligent, well thought-out critique of the games as well, or just the "I HATE TLOS!!!" ones? It is extremely unprofessional to silence anyone with an understandable opinion, even if it is negative. Plus it's immature; it's like covering your ears and going "LALALA I'M NOT LISTENING."

Jackson117 · Dec 16, 2008 6:22 AM

well as a mod told me on the Atria forums

some companies forum's don't like to hear threads that speak certain negative views even if they aren't right (even a company buys a certain game franchise from another company)

ratchet · Dec 16, 2008 7:55 AM

Kazoobie64 wrote:

Wait a minute, are they locking threads that have intelligent, well thought-out critique of the games as well, or just the "I HATE TLOS!!!" ones? It is extremely unprofessional to silence anyone with an understandable opinion, even if it is negative. Plus it's immature; it's like covering your ears and going "LALALA I'M NOT LISTENING."

Kind of what they're like....
Anyway....Should we get BOT?

Stormy · Dec 16, 2008 3:14 PM

if you personally like something then that's great...but I have yet to see one of the old fans who actually did enjoy the game as a whole lol...so your displeasure with it is clearly not just because the game in general was a disappointment...but again that's just my feeling.

Actually, I think I may have been able to detach myself from the fact that it's not really Spyro anymore and play it just as I would any other game if the game had actually been good. =P Maybe the fans of the original games just don't like that type of game. The originals are completely different than the new games, if you haven't noticed.

And yeah, if they're locking all the topics that have to do with the flaws of TLoS, they're stupid; any reasonable developer should welcome feedback. If it were just the hater threads they were locking, that would make sense, but it sounds like from what ratchet said that they're just being unreasonable. Maybe I should get over there and support the anti-TLoS movement. tongue

RedDragonX · Dec 16, 2008 6:14 PM

Well you guys can go ahead and try whatever you want with them...but it's there forum and they will lock whatever topics they choose to see fit...and seeing as how they prolly don't want a bunch of people screaming for the old games when they are trying their best to make new ones is something they don't want....you guys can bash whatever you want over here so give them their place to do what they want...regardless you are not gonna change any minds by doing that.

Not that anything I say really matters on this forum...but you guys are all gung ho Insomiac and your minds are not going to change..that's just your nature. Anything they do will leave you guys unpleased so their really is no use complaining....and as for know the games are different..that's pretty much the point I was trying to prove....no matter what even if you say your detached you will have you personal opinion that is always in some way going to be attached to the older series.

Sierra has done their best with what they were given...and it is by far better from where things were going..and seeing as how after Insomniac dropped the series...due to the fact that they felt nothing going with the future..and so they could focus on other things...everyone was crying for something different...and hence they tried LoS...and as much as you guys hate them for their immature responses..the series does have fans...and they are from a younger generation just like most of us were with the originals.

In the end it doesn't matter...LoS is still in the works and that's how things will stay unless they really manage to screw over their next instalment..even then I'm not seeing them using the originals again. Let them have their spot seeing as how it is their game. If you want to complain then present it in a manner that still shows you back both series..then they might listen.

Kazoobie64 · Dec 16, 2008 7:01 PM

You've never worked in customer service, I take it?

RedDragonX · Dec 16, 2008 7:12 PM

No..I don't work with consumers or customers up front because I choose not to. That and the average customer these days is not someone that I feel like dealing with...if you want to have an intelectual conversation with me then fine..but I will never start it first. I got sick of dealing with morons..so now I work in the backround where I like it.

Stormy · Dec 16, 2008 10:06 PM

I think the point there was that the company exists to please the customers, not the other way around. If enough people have the same suggestion for them, it would be worth it for them to try it out instead of just assuming they're right because they're the moderators.

RedDragonX · Dec 16, 2008 10:17 PM

Well from what I can see from posts around the forum..it would seem that you guys are more interested in attempting to spam their forum just because they shut down a topic that is based on something they don't want to take. If they closed your topics then they closed them for a reason...and I'm getting curious enough to go check it out for myself...but they KNEW that they would lose a large majority of the fanbase because they did the one thing everyone wanted in the first place...something to CHANGE. They did what they thought was best for the series..and despite the fact that many of the fans are rather immature when it comes to posting on forums and such...it still has fans...and that's all that matters to the developers.

If anyone tries to make a big scene about it I'm sure it's just going to motivate them into making more LoS games...complaining about it now won't help..so long as Sierra owns the franchise they will do what they want to do with the games...and standing against it doesn't seem to be doing any good...but I guess that would depend on the mind of gamers....if they wanted suggestions for the games they could create topics about it themselves if they saw fit...so you could suggest away or ask questions like in the past...but the LoS forums were created to cater to Sierra's Spyro image...and if you're going to just challenge every move they make simply because you want to see something more like the old image(Which they could care less about)..then it really wont help....hence why they don't care about shutting such topics.

Stormy · Dec 17, 2008 3:16 AM

it would seem that you guys are more interested in attempting to spam their forum just because they shut down a topic that is based on something they don't want to take.

Er, I think you may have misunderstood me. I'm not planning to do any spam; that "anti-TLoS movement" thing I was talking about wasn't serious. =/ I probably won't join the Sierra forums at all.

You seem to take everything to the extreme when it comes to people who don't like TLoS. I'm getting a bit sick of it, so I'm going to rant incoherently now, k?

You assume we don't like it because it's different than the originals, but guess what? I like other games besides Spyro. And also, I actually did enjoy some of the Spyro games between Insomniac and TLoS; they're different than the originals, but guess what? I liked them anyway. I could list the actual reasons I don't like TLoS, but since I think everyone's seen that a million times I won't. But the point is, it isn't the fact that they're not like original Spyro that makes them bad. It's the fact that they're bad games on their own, plus the fact that they stole the image of my favorite character and made it crappy. I like games that are like original Spyro, and since TLoS is nothing like it, it could make sense that I didn't like it, now couldn't it? You keep talking about "everyone has their own opinion" and all that, but you don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that some people actually do prefer the old Spyro just because they think it's better, not because it was there first. It has much less to do with "human nature" as you put it than having an actual preference for one type of game over another.

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OK, rant over. *dies*

RedDragonX · Dec 17, 2008 4:12 AM

Well first I'm sorry if you felt that was directed towards you in general...because I don't mean to do that..I just constantly forget to be more specific in my assumptions. The whole spamming thing I didn't hear from you or some of the others..that came from elsewhere on this forum...so don't take it personally because I'm not holding it in contention against you at all. Sorry about that misunderstanding.

Anyways again in general yes every gamer will have their personal view about the series in general...and when I speak on all my posts I refer to the entire group as a whole...in which their are some believe it or not who just hate the new series for what it is. I'm all up for personal opinions as I yes openly admit all the time...and I don't see any other LoS supporter who ever does stand up to anyone on this forum..so I thought what the heck why not. If you don't like the way I tell it how it is then I'm sorry..that's just how I am...but most of these do not pertain to you...more to others I have noticed around this forum.

If you prefer the older games over the new ones I don't care...because I still do to a degree as well...I just am not afraid to go out and defend the series I like just as all of you do with the originals..I certainly don't see it on this forum much anyways....and you did say that I can't seem to grasp the fact that others like the originals...to which I say I don't care if you like them or not...that's your personal preference..but you can certainly do it to any LoS fan who tries to voice their opinion...at least in some kind of rationale manner.

Now as for you getting sick of it...I know it's a real pain when someone is actually there to fight back about some things...but what are ya gonna do...I was getting sick of nobody on this forum really saying something for LoS..so I thought what the heck..why not put in my own views..and there they are.

Kazoobie64 · Dec 17, 2008 4:23 AM

Stormy wrote:

I think the point there was that the company exists to please the customers, not the other way around. If enough people have the same suggestion for them, it would be worth it for them to try it out instead of just assuming they're right because they're the moderators.

While you raise another good point, my point was more along the lines of:

If you've worked in customer service, you'll realize that your consumers are your most important objective. You can't please everyone, but you can certainly try to or at least have a smile on your face as you politely listen to them, but decline. Everything they throw at you, you have to take it. (and trust me, I've experienced many customer-related horrors at the places I've worked at) If you just went up to a ranting consumer and clenched your fingers around their lips to shut them up, I doubt you're helping business very well. This is what is called being unprofessional.

If I am to believe that Sierra locks topics consisting of a consumer of their games politely venting about being dissappointed, then they're no more professional than the management at a Wal-mart.

Anyway, Stormy's right. I really hate having assumptions made about me so I suppose I should clear some things up.

No, I do not hold a grudge against Sierra. My dislike for them comes from the fact that they had nothing standing in their way of continuing the steps to make Spyro as iconic and memorable as Mario and failed, and now one of my childhood heroes is ridiculed everywhere by critics and gaming communities. If it was any old mediocre game they were making, I wouldn't even turn my head at them.

As for holding a grudge against anything that isn't like Insomniac's Spyro... Nope, sorry. It's just merely that the old games continue to be good, and the new ones continue to be bad, so I always have to bring up the old ones and ask myself why Sierra just doesn't look at what Insomniac had done right and go from there.

RedDragonX · Dec 17, 2008 4:39 AM

Insomniac let go of the series for a reason. After YotD came out..things just started going downhill...and they saw that it was time to go a different direction...and they did just that...and left Spyro out to fend for itself...which was indeed sad seeing as how they did a very good job in both development and taking advantage of the market.

After that the series was picked up..they worked with it...and things only got worse from a marketing point of view...and that's what Insomniac clearly changed direction for. Sad...but that's what they thought was right so they did it. After SL came out...people really started screaming for something new...that lovely Spyro annonymous site was a pretty good place to find that....until the forum admin had his mental breakdown or whatever it was...but someone actually tried something different...and that was Sierra.

Despite the great division in the fanbase now...they will roll with what works for them...and for right now that is LoS...who does have a new young fanbase running around out there....and I'm sorry to you as well Zoobie because I didn't mean to refer to you as well. I was refering to a larger group in general..so that's my bad. You guys always present your opinions in a very respectable manner..and that's admirable...so don't get me wrong in trying to accuse you of anything.

Seeing as how I don't go over to Sierra Forums anymore I don't know exactly what went down that causes them to close topics related to however old fans feel about the series..but until I look for myself...I can only assume that they don't want to see anything that has older fans screaming for tie ins to the older games..or that LoS in general just end....but if it had to do with how they could improve LoS NOW...then in all respect yes they should listen..but again I have not seen this...so I'm at a disadvantage...so I guess I know where I'm going after this.

ratchet · Dec 17, 2008 11:00 AM

XRedDragonX wrote:

Insomniac let go of the series for a reason. After YotD came out..things just started going downhill...and they saw that it was time to go a different direction...and they did just that...and left Spyro out to fend for itself...which was indeed sad seeing as how they did a very good job in both development and taking advantage of the market.

Ah, No! They decided to to leave the series because they got bored with Spyro, They thought they had done enough with him and wanted to go do a shooter, nothing to do with the market. Of cource, Spyro 2 and 3 Didn't make nearly as much money as Spyro 1, but that is what happens with most games, especially the fact that Spyro 1 was marketed up the *bleep* while Spyro 2 and 3 weren't as market as much.

After that the series was picked up..they worked with it...and things only got worse from a marketing point of view...and that's what Insomniac clearly changed direction for. Sad...but that's what they thought was right so they did it.

Wrong Again! Did you notice that Even though ETD was Elcrappo, it still sold over 1 million copies! These were all hyped up Spyro fans who bought the game reguardless of how Sh*t it was. The Market had hardly changed and the reason ETD didn't sell as well as previous games though was because it WAS elcrappo, But it did sell well, just not as well, yeah!

After SL came out...people really started screaming for something new...that lovely Spyro annonymous site was a pretty good place to find that....until the forum admin had his mental breakdown or whatever it was...but someone actually tried something different...and that was Sierra.

SL WAS the something new. Sierra, If you hadn't realised, Had MADE SL. SL was like the original version of TLOS. Note the combat, the Dark themes, the Random Destiny Crap, And Obviously it was a bad seller.
SL was a prime example of TLOS without the "epic" storyline. It actually has somewhat better gameplay than TLOS, but Failed Because it Sucked!
The only thing they really vhanged between SL and TLOS was the storyline, and that's when fans bought it again!

Despite the great division in the fanbase now...they will roll with what works for them...and for right now that is LoS...who does have a new young fanbase running around out there....

I guess so. I don't know the sales of TLOS now, But i know it's defiently not the Originals. However, I see alot of Parents buing the Crash And Spyro games for their children for Christmas, seeing THe games are cheap and they are aimed at them.

Seeing as how I don't go over to Sierra Forums anymore I don't know exactly what went down that causes them to close topics related to however old fans feel about the series..but until I look for myself...I can only assume that they don't want to see anything that has older fans screaming for tie ins to the older games..or that LoS in general just end....but if it had to do with how they could improve LoS NOW...then in all respect yes they should listen..but again I have not seen this...so I'm at a disadvantage...so I guess I know where I'm going after this.

Of cource it's thier series, so they can Do whatever they want with it. Games are only A privilage. But yes, It's obvious that we're *bleep*ed, Just look at the Super Mario Bros Movie. It Sucked! But it's not like it effected the games or the Series in General, But it did Give Super Mario Bros A bad name. I Don't Like TLOS for one because My Cousins Know i'm a diehard Spyro fan, But hey don't know I Hate TLOS. So theyu tease me about whether i have "got the new Spyro game yet" and Say it like Spyro was pathetic. While Ten years ago, Spyro was Awesome, And Everybody loved to Play it, Even my Older cousins.

And yeah, I'm kind of Getting sick of All your Human Nature Crap, Reddragon.

Stormy · Dec 17, 2008 4:22 PM

Now as for you getting sick of it...I know it's a real pain when someone is actually there to fight back about some things...but what are ya gonna do...I was getting sick of nobody on this forum really saying something for LoS..so I thought what the heck..why not put in my own views..and there they are.

Argh, you totally missed my point. >___> I don't care that you argue with me; I care that you're making assumptions about why I like what I like. You basically keep saying over and over that it's "human nature" that I don't like it and that I must have a grudge on TLoS.
Like Kazoobie said, I have no grudge against TLoS for not being Insomniac. I played and actually enjoyed some of the non-Insomniac Spyros. The fact is, I think TLoS would be a bad series whether it was called Spyro or not; my dislike for the series has very little to do with it not being made by Insomniac.

In other words, exactly what Kazoobie said here:

No, I do not hold a grudge against Sierra. My dislike for them comes from the fact that they had nothing standing in their way of continuing the steps to make Spyro as iconic and memorable as Mario and failed, and now one of my childhood heroes is ridiculed everywhere by critics and gaming communities. If it was any old mediocre game they were making, I wouldn't even turn my head at them.
As for holding a grudge against anything that isn't like Insomniac's Spyro... Nope, sorry. It's just merely that the old games continue to be good, and the new ones continue to be bad, so I always have to bring up the old ones and ask myself why Sierra just doesn't look at what Insomniac had done right and go from there.

I'm totally fine with people defending the TLoS games, but I don't appreciate having words put into my mouth. What you seem to be assuming about my preferences is untrue, and I'd like to correct it if I can.

T3h0v4llu · Dec 17, 2008 6:38 PM

Stormy wrote:

You assume we don't like it because it's different than the originals, but guess what? I like other games besides Spyro. And also, I actually did enjoy some of the Spyro games between Insomniac and TLoS; they're different than the originals, but guess what? I liked them anyway. I could list the actual reasons I don't like TLoS, but since I think everyone's seen that a million times I won't. But the point is, it isn't the fact that they're not like original Spyro that makes them bad. It's the fact that they're bad games on their own, plus the fact that they stole the image of my favorite character and made it crappy. I like games that are like original Spyro, and since TLoS is nothing like it, it could make sense that I didn't like it, now couldn't it? You keep talking about "everyone has their own opinion" and all that, but you don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that some people actually do prefer the old Spyro just because they think it's better, not because it was there first. It has much less to do with "human nature" as you put it than having an actual preference for one type of game over another.

Thumbs up for you pal. Why does everyone think that we hate tlos because it isnt like the originals? I could also a BIG list of things why i dont like it. You know, tlos would have been as good as it is now (horrible) if it would had a random dragon as the main character. The tag "spyro" just makes people buy it. Same thing with the spyro games between the originals and tlos.

Though im not going to quote your post ratchet, i must say, you really owned XRedDragonX. Yeah i also hate it too when my school mates think i love tlos because i said that i liked some parts of it and explained them that it wouldnt been worse if it had a random dragon instead of spyro. Oh yeah, they loved the originals also.

Trasher258 · Dec 17, 2008 9:16 PM

I keep hearing about Sierra alot about their carelessness and rejection that is assumed by the behavior in the forums and the way the games themselves are. I find it surprising that nobody has mentioned Activison Blizzard has taken over the franchise while DotD was around to launching time. If you noticed it in the credits in the intro cutscene of DotD then you know what I mean.

As for another point the originals are better is...it is more flexible in terms of gameplay so alot of ideas can be taken into account. LoS is the same way but it's much more difficult due to the restrictions that are in place by the storyline and plot. I mean, what is this "purple" legacy stuff? I know blue and red combine is purple and...I have no idea what the chances are since there is rarely any other dragon in sight besides Spyro, Cynder, the four elders, The Chronicler, and Malefor. I guess it's just rare and a coincidence of two purple dragons and one black dragon controlling multiple elements. Unless you know the history behind it then it's questionable to know how such an assumption is made.

It's very funny how the original and reimaged visions don't work well independently. You got your colorful, tracing, and humorous feel on one side and dark, gloomy, and epic on the other. :?

ratchet · Dec 17, 2008 10:33 PM

I keep hearing about Sierra alot about their carelessness and rejection that is assumed by the behavior in the forums and the way the games themselves are. I find it surprising that nobody has mentioned Activison Blizzard has taken over the franchise while DotD was around to launching time. If you noticed it in the credits in the intro cutscene of DotD then you know what I mean.

Yes, but Seeing Sierra's logo is still at the start of the game and The Sierra community Forums are the official Spyro place, we still say Sierra.

RedDragonX · Dec 18, 2008 2:19 AM

Saying that Insomniac dropped the series just because they were bored with it was pretty much the exact same thing that I said Ratchet. The series had nothing going for it in their mind..and they CHANGED their strategy by moving on to a shooting style game to keep up with the market. Spyro had nothing going for them in their minds...so you pretty much just proved my point by saying that...all you did was repeat it what a said in a more detailed manner..nice try though.

ETD sold just as many copies as the original because yes the fans were ready to buy anything simply because they do love the series...I for one just read the reviews and never got it...but saying that the market hasn't changed is really close minded..because from 2000 onwards I have seen a dismal amount of interest in Spyro..especially after ETD. The game sold over 1 million copies because of efforts such as die hard fans. I could care less just how the game sold..but in the minds of gamers it really killed the faith of the Spyro image. The game may have been mildy successful in sales...but in overall image it didn't help when things were changing.

SL was indeed a different formula...and it was the first attempt to break away and do something new that did involve the old series still...and it failed...but I didn't see as much resemblence in LoS then you did...but you will tie them together seeing as how you see those similarities..the game came out and fans were still displeased...so again another developer took over and then you get LoS. The epic storyline was thrown in and you had a semi-successful series of games that did attract the young gamers that they were looking for. You are correct in saying that SL was basically LoS in an earlier draft...but it was done with the original characters in mind and it was also a DS game..which I for one really have no interest in in general.

At least Sierra did revamp the characters and introduce some kind of new story...however "epic" it may be...because needless to say it did what they wanted and attracted younger gamers to the series. As for the net sales in general I have yet to find a source that tells me what they are..but I don't expect anything grand until after the holidays are over.

If you want to hate the series because you Cousin keeps teasing you about it then I don't care lol..that's up to you...and I hope to heck that this upcoming movie doesn't really ruin what amount of success LoS did have...the old games were fun and they will always be fun..at least to me...and the new ones don't bother me as much as others...I wish I knew why..but that's just people....I guess I just don't hold personal vendettas like that.

As for the nice little comment you gave about Human Nature lol...I really DON'T CARE if you are sick of it or not lol...complaining about it only furthers my resolve...I simply say things directly...and not many people like hearing that...so deal with it. I certainly deal with your posts.

And to Stormy I made no assumptions about you YET AGAIN. I don't know if you guys just don't read the whole posts or what...but I clearly said that I was not pointing to you in general...and that you were one of the ones that I don't mind arguing with over this...So reread over things before you assume I'm bashing you because I'm not.

As for hating the series simply because it isn't an original game...I have seen plenty of evidence around here that shows some people who do...again I refer to everything as a whole..and I do know that their are some out there like Stormy and Kazoobie who simply don't enjoy the games because that's not what they like in a game..and that's perfectly fine. If you don't like the series then you don't like it...but their are plenty out there who I find are still caught up in image..much like many LoS fans are now....they do the same thing as well. And to T3hOv4llu..if you would like to join the debate and attempt to "own" anyone by all means do so..this is something that will never end so long as two series exists and everyone has a different opinion.

I merely point out some of the options that could have gone down as well..because nothing is ever certain and we for one will never know the truth...but seeing as how I'm a pretty diehard realist...I really don't care what you think about me or if you hate what I say lol...because I simply tell the truth in what I see...but if you don't like the new games for simple gaming reasons then that's your own "human nature" lol...I just had to say it simply because you guys hate it...but w/e...everyone will go in circles about it for a long time....but to some of you just read my whole freaking post before you make assumptions that I'm blaming you in particular.

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