Am I the only one worried about the world these days ???????

ontels · Jul 16, 2008 4:31 PM

reddragon12 wrote:

thankyou to who agree's animals matter they were here before us and we took over the human race became the leaders
but the way that animals are treated is sick, a while back i hearded on the news that a man was hanging his dog from it's
own lead, a tiger was taken from it's cubs and shot and skinned then the cubs had the same treatment, it's wrong and sick
polar bears are going to be extinct if we can't help them.

you do know were animals aswell

bmah · Jul 16, 2008 5:14 PM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

yes, we are pushing more pollutants into the environment than it can handle

Correction: it's not amount of pollutants; it's the rate at which pollutants are released. The environment can handle a ton of emissions and various pollutants.

Fletch_Talon wrote:

since there are alternatives to burning fossil fuels i see no reason not to use them

Hopefully, the production and extraction methods are economically feasible. We're already seeing that ethanol isn't, considering the glaring side effect of high food (esp. grain) prices.

Fletch_Talon · Jul 17, 2008 1:59 AM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

since there are alternatives to burning fossil fuels i see no reason not to use them

Hopefully, the production and extraction methods are economically feasible. We're already seeing that ethanol isn't, considering the glaring side effect of high food (esp. grain) prices.

SpyroFanatic · Jul 17, 2008 3:26 AM

reddragon12 wrote:

I know i sound like I'm a worrie guts ,but I care about animals SO much
and does anyone see that humans are killing out animals
and different lizards which are closest to dragons
,but plz tell me someone else cares.

Thank you. I understand and do care too.

birdy-stover · Jul 17, 2008 5:09 AM

SpyroFanatic wrote:

reddragon12 wrote:
I know i sound like I'm a worrie guts ,but I care about animals SO much
and does anyone see that humans are killing out animals
and different lizards which are closest to dragons
,but plz tell me someone else cares.
Thank you. I understand and do care too.

I agree too! My dad believes that the only way to save the animals and repair what humans have done is to destroy the human race altogether.
But if we did that, the food chain wouldn't be able to correct itself. The endangered animals would become eaten and die out because their natural predators do the natural thing and eat them.

I guess elephants would be okay, and the other endangered species that were only hunted by humans, but they would perish still because they will die out without us.

We need to help them!! :'(

DarkMaster · Jul 17, 2008 5:33 AM

I love animals.......they should really think about not killing them and TRY LEAVING THEM TO LIVE THERE LIVES!!!!!!!

ratchet · Jul 17, 2008 5:36 AM

For a start, if Humans became extinct, Sheep's wool would overgrow and Domestic animals (such as Cats and Dogs) will become extinct.

Global warming is either fake or overated

Kamineko · Jul 17, 2008 5:42 AM

Global warming is definitely real. We see the effects of it all over the place (ie: you know those big hunks of ice up in the north? Yeah those are melting now).

As for animals: It's life. Plain and simple. We eat animals, and we use them to help us live and get jobs done. Yeah every once in a while someone kills an animal for sport or is hosting dog fights, but that's not even close to things that should be worrying you about the world.

ratchet · Jul 17, 2008 6:00 AM

Exaculy, Animals die, and theres no way we can help it, its all part of life.
Global Warming- A rise in 1oC (which they think that global warming has caused) will not melt large chunks of ice, and even if it did melt, whos to say its because the temperature is getting warmer. Look at antarctica, in winter its almost double the size that it is in summer, in summer, huge chunks of ice break off the sides, you cant tell if that is just summer or because of "global warming"
Global warming is either not real or overly exadurated, nethertheless, it shouldn't be worried about.

What really is a problem is polution, its turning China into fog city and soon all the countries will be like that (Americas next), we should really find other ways to make things than materials such as coal.

Fletch_Talon · Jul 17, 2008 6:00 AM

ratchet wrote:

For a start, if Humans became extinct, Sheep's wool would overgrow and Domestic animals (such as Cats and Dogs) will become extinct.

wrong, its very clear by looking at the populations of feral cats and dogs that they would overpopulate and other animals would suffer for that (so end result is still bad, but also different)

i dont know about sheep, i didnt realise their wool grew indefinitely

Global warming is either fake or overated

its obviously not fake, theres proof that ice caps are melting and the global temp is rising

the only question is the cause of it, some people say its a global phenomena and occurs naturally, and maybe theyre right, but its people like you who claim its overrated who fail to see that this natural phenomena could be the end of much of humanity

or it could come and go without us noticing

but still, why not care for the environment? should we stuff everything up just because our lives arent threatened by it?

Fletch_Talon · Jul 17, 2008 6:10 AM

as for animals dying, yes thats fine, as long as theres a reason for it, and you shouldnt cause any more pain to an animal than need be

for example, animals should only be killed for food or self defence, and if youre going to kill something, use as much of it as you can, cows get killed for food and leather for example

and the way farming works now is ridiculous, at least now theyre starting to raise fee range chickens, as opposed to the battery farms which were honestly one of the most disgusting things ive ever seen

i think habitat destruction and animal cruelty are things we should be focussing on, once an animal is extinct, its... well extinct duh, if we dont do something about poachers and deforestation etc. then entire ecosystems will eventually be lost, i think thats a huge deal

Kamineko · Jul 17, 2008 7:04 AM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

wrong, its very clear by looking at the populations of feral cats and dogs that they would overpopulate and other animals would suffer for that (so end result is still bad, but also different)

Actually if humans disappeared most domesticated dogs would eventually die off since they have been bred to the point that they wouldn't be fit, at all, to survive in the wild.

Most breeds of dogs aren't able to compete with other wild animals for food. The ones that did survive would most likely revert back to more wolf-like forms.

birdy-stover · Jul 17, 2008 7:05 AM

The message above from the spyroforum visitor is from me.
I was just so angry that i forgot to log-in before i sent the message. Oops!

Kamineko · Jul 17, 2008 7:30 AM

Anonymous wrote:

But according to you that doesn't matter, and those lives aren't a big problem!
And what about Australia! Because of course Australia doesn't do anything cruel to their animals!

I never said it doesn't matter, I just said that the amount of people who actually do any of that are vastly outnumbered by people who don't.

And are you kidding? Every country that even has food does cruel stuff to their animals. The meat industry is notorious for this, and I'm going to assume australia has meat.

I find it amazing that people get so bent over animals getting hurt, but no one even pays attention to actual human beings who are dying every day.

birdy-stover · Jul 17, 2008 7:43 AM

Atresac wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But according to you that doesn't matter, and those lives aren't a big problem!
And what about Australia! Because of course Australia doesn't do anything cruel to their animals!
I never said it doesn't matter, I just said that the amount of people who actually do any of that are vastly outnumbered by people who don't.
And are you kidding? Every country that even has food does cruel stuff to their animals. The meat industry is notorious for this, and I'm going to assume australia has meat.
I find it amazing that people get so bent over animals getting hurt, but no one even pays attention to actual human beings who are dying every day.

Okay, fine.

If you read on about australia you would have seen that i was being sarcastic, and talked about the meat industry.

I know people are gettnig hurt, but i've never really liked a lot of people. I really get scared because of some peoples' anger, sometimes just because they're to blind to see why you can't do what they want you to (don't worry, that relates to something that happened to me last week)

When you think about how many animals there are, maybe more animals ARE getting hurt than people, we don't actually know.

I would usually rather curl up with my dogs and read than talk to any number of human people ( just because they aren't human doesn't mean that they aren't a people)

I think the real reason people fuss over animals getting hurt is the fact that animals can't complain about it, or report abuse. So as long as no one does anything about it, the animal is still getting hurt.

We need to give a voice to those who don't have one.

Spyro_Loves_Me · Jul 17, 2008 7:50 AM

Atresac wrote:

And are you kidding? Every country that even has food does cruel stuff to their animals. The meat industry is notorious for this, and I'm going to assume australia has meat.

Not every country uses cruelty. I know South Korea and I think Japan both don't use cruetly in the meat industry.
Animal cruelty is bad and all, but I don't think it's something to be stressed over. Compared to all the problems going on right now, that's nothing.

birdy-stover · Jul 17, 2008 8:53 AM

Umm, sorry, but have you been living under a box!?

Japan uses whales in their meat industry sometimes. And while I approve of them usin ALL of the whale, I don't approve of them killing it in the first place!
Even if you don't count whaling as meat industry, it's still cruel.
I don't know for sure, but I think I saw something about South Korea on the WSPA site.

Oh and please, no one say anything about the japanese people and their lives. It is the government that is killing whales!
I used to live in Japan, and it is one of the best places to live, and I am NOT Japanese, I am American-Australian.

Fletch_Talon · Jul 17, 2008 9:11 AM

Actually if humans disappeared most domesticated dogs would eventually die off since they have been bred to the point that they wouldn't be fit, at all, to survive in the wild.
Most breeds of dogs aren't able to compete with other wild animals for food. The ones that did survive would most likely revert back to more wolf-like forms.

that really depends on where you live, obviously your toy poodles and chiuahuas arent going to do well, but this country is currently plagued with feral cats and dogs, they also breed with dingos (in america some larger dogs could potentially begin breeding with wolves/coyotes)

I never said it doesn't matter, I just said that the amount of people who actually do any of that are vastly outnumbered by people who don't

unfortunately a minority in relation to the human race can and most likely is still in the multi million figure, look at spain, bull fighting is completely legal, and just so everyone knows, bull fighting is not just waving a cape, they also have spears which they stab into the bull until it just gives up. i personally dont think we should promote cruelty to animals just because its part of their culture, remember it, you dont have to practice it.

I find it amazing that people get so bent over animals getting hurt, but no one even pays attention to actual human beings who are dying every day

humans as a species cause all their problems themselves, i care to an extent, but as birdy said, humans can speak up for themselves, animals can't, someone has to give them a voice if anything is going to be done.

in saying that, there are plenty of people and organisations who speak up for human rights, why cant we have the same for animals, we dont have to ignore one issue just because another is judged more important

reddragon12 · Jul 17, 2008 3:52 PM

ontels wrote:

reddragon12 wrote:
thankyou to who agree's animals matter they were here before us and we took over the human race became the leaders
but the way that animals are treated is sick, a while back i hearded on the news that a man was hanging his dog from it's
own lead, a tiger was taken from it's cubs and shot and skinned then the cubs had the same treatment, it's wrong and sick
polar bears are going to be extinct if we can't help them.
you do know were animals aswell

i am aware of that ontels i'm not a utter dumwhit blonde

ontels · Jul 17, 2008 4:39 PM

I...never said you were

Spyro_Loves_Me · Jul 18, 2008 5:37 AM

birdy-stover wrote:

Umm, sorry, but have you been living under a box!?

No. I live in a house.

Japan uses whales in their meat industry sometimes. And while I approve of them usin ALL of the whale, I don't approve of them killing it in the first place!
Even if you don't count whaling as meat industry, it's still cruel.
I don't know for sure, but I think I saw something about South Korea on the WSPA site.

I don't find it cruel if it's used as food. People need to eat. And whale is a very popular delicacy in Japan which means great money.
I know that South Korea treats their meat very well before they kill. They believe that a happy cow = happy meat. I'm pretty sure Japan is the same way.

Fletch_Talon · Jul 18, 2008 6:03 AM

Spyro_Loves_Me wrote:

I don't find it cruel if it's used as food. People need to eat. And whale is a very popular delicacy in Japan which means great money.
I know that South Korea treats their meat very well before they kill. They believe that a happy cow = happy meat. I'm pretty sure Japan is the same way.

whales when they arent bled and dragged to death by normal harpoons have their head exploded using explosive tipped harpoons, among various other pain inducing methods of slaughter

even then i wouldnt mind so much were it not for the fact that many species of whales are endangered, and most countries have had the common decency to ban whaling because of this

japan claim theyre killing whales for "scientific research" when honestly its pretty clear its just so they can make *bleep* loads of money off selling the meat and blubber, and since its a delicacy, only rich people can afford it anyway

so why should that be allowed to continue, why should a species go extinct because some rich wankers like eating it, should we allow tigers/leopards/otters/etc. to be killed for their fur because rich people like their leopard print to be authentic? i dont thinks so

if people want to dress in dead animal, try picking one that hasnt nearly been driven to extinction, hence the reason we have leather and mink

Spyro_Loves_Me · Jul 18, 2008 6:15 AM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

if people want to dress in dead animal, try picking one that hasnt nearly been driven to extinction, hence the reason we have leather and mink

People who have money have power. So of course they're going to try for the best thing out there. And unfortunately they get it. They could care less about the animals themselves. :-|

Fletch_Talon · Jul 18, 2008 6:21 AM

Spyro_Loves_Me wrote:

Fletch_Talon wrote:
if people want to dress in dead animal, try picking one that hasnt nearly been driven to extinction, hence the reason we have leather and mink
People who have money have power. So of course they're going to try for the best thing out there. And unfortunately they get it. They could care less about the animals themselves. :-|

but just because someone can get whatever they want doesnt mean they should. even people with money and power are limited to what they can or cannot legally do

it is illegal now to kill endangered species in most parts of the world, so why should the japanese be an exception

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