Spyro to have kids.

The Mad Thatter · Jan 27, 2010 8:53 PM

sleva10 wrote:

ah... Why can't spyro just marry one of the elders? That fat pink one from AHT!
ey?

I totally love you jk XD XD XD.

Art Murder · Feb 26, 2010 6:50 AM

WARNING: Really long post is really long. [Edit: Oh, and I'm new to this site, major Spyro fan, just never bothered looking fore sites. I enjoyed reading this entire thread and decided to join just to post my theories, I have a lot more then this, but I spared you all the endless blabbering, and tried to just post the stuff that makes the most sense.]

I think it would be a good story plot to have the next series of games take place a long while in the future, with spyro and cynder as adults, and you playing as the one son/daughter (I would prefer a daughter, a son would be to much like 'spyro jr' I want something new-ish)

Now? No. They are still in adolescence. They are separated from everyone else, in the Valley of Avalar, so in reality, sooner or later they would have a child, plained or otherwise.

I don't think he/she would be a 'purple' dragon like spyro though.

As to other people's points:

1) Dragons's mouths are built different then humans, I doubt they actually kiss like we do. I think one dragon rubbing the side of his/her head against another dragon's head is the dragon equivalent of kissing/hugging.

2) Dragons are animals, not humans. Spyro and Cynder are in the teenage years, teenage years for animals are a lot different then humans. They COULD have a kid now, but I don't see it happening.

3) I am very certain Cynder does know about what is done to have children, and I am equally certain Spyro doesn't. I can picture a scene with Cynder making some sort of advance on Spyro, and him just entirely not getting it.

4) Spyro and Cynder were hatched from the same brood of eggs, but are NOT siblings. They aren't related. All dragon eggs are put into one brood for the entire clan to raise together, they all hatch at once, and no one single dragon is favored as a parent over the other (I could swear I heard a character say something like that in the story, though I may be mixing it up with something else - Even if I am, I see it is the most likely possibility)

back to my own discussion on it:
The main reason I want to see this done, is I can amazing the intro scene, after the intro cutscene, you would be in the Valley of Avalar playing as Spyro and Cynder's Daughter (Or son) just running around and the game having various reasons to teach you the new controls. I can picture SPyro and Cynder, as adults, sitting on top of a hill watching you the whole time, and saying things to you when you walk close to them (Not like a cutscene, just them saying random things like "what are you up to now" or something)

If the new game focused on there child, it would be great, if it still focused on spyro, after he had a kid, not so much.

As for a story plot with the kid, I could imagine something with her (or him) being kidnapped, and you going back and forth between playing as her(or him) trying to escape, and Cynder and/or Spyro trying to get there daughter back (or son)

As for the bad guy, maybe introduce one of the bad guys of the old series? Would be an interesting way to reintroduce the portals. Said bad guy (maybe Gnasty Gnorc) creates them to easily go from world to world. As Cynder/Spyro you have to travel into each one in hunt of their daughter (or son) and then close the gate by defeating it once they don't fine him (or her) (Think like the gates to Oblivion in TES:IV)

I can picture Spyro and Cynder getting to Gnasty Gnorc(or whatever bad guy it is) and demanding they return their child and him/her freaking and saying "They escaped from me a while ago! I don't have them anymore, please don't hurt me!" - (Because I can imagine Spyro and Cynder as ticked off parents would be a scary sight)

When their Daughter (or son) has gotten back to the Valley of Avalar I can picture some sort of dramatic how-the-hell-are-you-still-alive moment of Malefor coming back (Greatly weakened, having lost all his powers in exchange for his life or some nonsense) and trying to convince her (or him) the he is their real father and that Spyro kidnapped her (or him) from him as an egg.

I think this would set open a good plot for more story, she (or he) goes with Malefor not knowing what is true (I can imagine you can't really just say 'no' to coming with him if your a baby dragon) and then Spyro and Cynder getting back and being depressed they were to late (hunter/sparx someone would have witnessed it and told them about Malefor coming back)

The second game would be you playing as adult Spyro trying to hunt down Malefor (again) only this time he is running from you and avoiding you rather then acting like an arrogant powerful idiot.

Final confrontation of that game would be Spyro and Malefor both trying to convince her (or him) of the truth. I could see this taking a weird turn, and some sort of odd magic splitting her in two (not physically, but spiritually. Creating two separate dragons splitting her (or his) personalities in two, and looking similar yet different) One half going with Spyro and the other staying with Malefor

If you are split in two it's obviously something you would want to reverse, so I could picture the plot of the third game being both parts of her (or him) feeling incomplete and trying to combine themselves back together.

You would go back and forth between the two, one having to escape from Malefor, and the other from Spyro (I doubt any dad would let their daughter (or son) burst into the stronghold of the dark dragon that tried to kill him) Though, I honestly don't think the 'split in two' thing would be a very good idea or work very well, just a random thought, and I couldn't think of anything else.

As for other new characters, I have no idea really, but there would need to be. I could picture a hyperactive male dragon who uses electricity who randomly saves her (or him) at one point, and them becoming friends.

Simply because the story needs a hyperactive dragon. Not just annoying and over talkative like Voltier (sp?) But comical and hyperactive. I can picture him just learning his powers and shocking himself/Spyro's daughter (or son) on accident pretty often.

Kimbia28 · Feb 26, 2010 11:55 AM

Art Murder wrote:

WARNING: Really long post is really long. [Edit: Oh, and I'm new to this site, major Spyro fan, just never bothered looking fore sites. I enjoyed reading this entire thread and decided to join just to post my theories, I have a lot more then this, but I spared you all the endless blabbering, and tried to just post the stuff that makes the most sense.]
I think it would be a good story plot to have the next series of games take place a long while in the future, with spyro and cynder as adults, and you playing as the one son/daughter (I would prefer a daughter, a son would be to much like 'spyro jr' I want something new-ish)
Now? No. They are still in adolescence. They are separated from everyone else, in the Valley of Avalar, so in reality, sooner or later they would have a child, plained or otherwise.
I don't think he/she would be a 'purple' dragon like spyro though.
As to other people's points:
1) Dragons's mouths are built different then humans, I doubt they actually kiss like we do. I think one dragon rubbing the side of his/her head against another dragon's head is the dragon equivalent of kissing/hugging.
2) Dragons are animals, not humans. Spyro and Cynder are in the teenage years, teenage years for animals are a lot different then humans. They COULD have a kid now, but I don't see it happening.
3) I am very certain Cynder does know about what is done to have children, and I am equally certain Spyro doesn't. I can picture a scene with Cynder making some sort of advance on Spyro, and him just entirely not getting it.
4) Spyro and Cynder were hatched from the same brood of eggs, but are NOT siblings. They aren't related. All dragon eggs are put into one brood for the entire clan to raise together, they all hatch at once, and no one single dragon is favored as a parent over the other (I could swear I heard a character say something like that in the story, though I may be mixing it up with something else - Even if I am, I see it is the most likely possibility)
back to my own discussion on it:
The main reason I want to see this done, is I can amazing the intro scene, after the intro cutscene, you would be in the Valley of Avalar playing as Spyro and Cynder's Daughter (Or son) just running around and the game having various reasons to teach you the new controls. I can picture SPyro and Cynder, as adults, sitting on top of a hill watching you the whole time, and saying things to you when you walk close to them (Not like a cutscene, just them saying random things like "what are you up to now" or something)
If the new game focused on there child, it would be great, if it still focused on spyro, after he had a kid, not so much.
As for a story plot with the kid, I could imagine something with her (or him) being kidnapped, and you going back and forth between playing as her(or him) trying to escape, and Cynder and/or Spyro trying to get there daughter back (or son)
As for the bad guy, maybe introduce one of the bad guys of the old series? Would be an interesting way to reintroduce the portals. Said bad guy (maybe Gnasty Gnorc) creates them to easily go from world to world. As Cynder/Spyro you have to travel into each one in hunt of their daughter (or son) and then close the gate by defeating it once they don't fine him (or her) (Think like the gates to Oblivion in TES:IV)
I can picture Spyro and Cynder getting to Gnasty Gnorc(or whatever bad guy it is) and demanding they return their child and him/her freaking and saying "They escaped from me a while ago! I don't have them anymore, please don't hurt me!" - (Because I can imagine Spyro and Cynder as ticked off parents would be a scary sight)
When their Daughter (or son) has gotten back to the Valley of Avalar I can picture some sort of dramatic how-the-hell-are-you-still-alive moment of Malefor coming back (Greatly weakened, having lost all his powers in exchange for his life or some nonsense) and trying to convince her (or him) the he is their real father and that Spyro kidnapped her (or him) from him as an egg.
I think this would set open a good plot for more story, she (or he) goes with Malefor not knowing what is true (I can imagine you can't really just say 'no' to coming with him if your a baby dragon) and then Spyro and Cynder getting back and being depressed they were to late (hunter/sparx someone would have witnessed it and told them about Malefor coming back)
The second game would be you playing as adult Spyro trying to hunt down Malefor (again) only this time he is running from you and avoiding you rather then acting like an arrogant powerful idiot.
Final confrontation of that game would be Spyro and Malefor both trying to convince her (or him) of the truth. I could see this taking a weird turn, and some sort of odd magic splitting her in two (not physically, but spiritually. Creating two separate dragons splitting her (or his) personalities in two, and looking similar yet different) One half going with Spyro and the other staying with Malefor
If you are split in two it's obviously something you would want to reverse, so I could picture the plot of the third game being both parts of her (or him) feeling incomplete and trying to combine themselves back together.
You would go back and forth between the two, one having to escape from Malefor, and the other from Spyro (I doubt any dad would let their daughter (or son) burst into the stronghold of the dark dragon that tried to kill him) Though, I honestly don't think the 'split in two' thing would be a very good idea or work very well, just a random thought, and I couldn't think of anything else.
As for other new characters, I have no idea really, but there would need to be. I could picture a hyperactive male dragon who uses electricity who randomly saves her (or him) at one point, and them becoming friends.
Simply because the story needs a hyperactive dragon. Not just annoying and over talkative like Voltier (sp?) But comical and hyperactive. I can picture him just learning his powers and shocking himself/Spyro's daughter (or son) on accident pretty often.

I think making a plot like that is really cliche and well... predictable...
the whole kid-gets-kidnapped-villain(that was supposed to be gone) returns-parents to the rescue-thing is just not fitting for a video game like Spyro...I dunno its just so....wierd...its better for some movies and such (this stuff really reminds me of the lion king sequel...)
He shouldn't be an adult x( and he ESPECIALLY should NOT have kids IMHO
THe whole idea of that is just stupid imo,and makes me think of bad fanfictions...
and to add to that...why the hell so many of people think Spyro and Cynder will get married or something/that they are automaticly a couple JUST BECOUSE Cynder said 1 WORD at the end of DotD and Spyro didn't really show any um signs that he loves her in that way...I mean in YOTD IT IS clearly visible that Hunter and Bianca like each other a lot,and you hardly see any HunterXbianca fans,but the SpyroxCynder thing is sooooo OverRATED
Even tho I never support any coupling...becouse I don't like that stuff...
I'm not trying to bash you or something ,just expressing my oppinion on this ^^

Art Murder · Feb 26, 2010 3:02 PM

Um, okay o_O

and it makes it pretty obvious through Eternal Night that Spyro likes Cynder. And at the end of Dawn of the Dragon they go back to the Valley of Avalar together.

Though I think there is no real point to attack my post because you don't like the idea in general.

Plus, spyro is a very cliche story (No offence) If they did something to 'original' it really wouldn't fit in my opinion.

And I've never watched the second lion king.

Rurikredwolf · Feb 26, 2010 3:11 PM

She wasn't attacking, she was giving critisim. And frankly, I agree. Just becuase the series is unoriginal doesn't mean you shouldn't try to be original. That's something that the developers haven't gotten and they instead took a step backwards.

Art Murder · Feb 26, 2010 3:25 PM

Rurikredwolf wrote:

She wasn't attacking, she was giving critisim. And frankly, I agree. Just becuase the series is unoriginal doesn't mean you shouldn't try to be original. That's something that the developers haven't gotten and they instead took a step backwards.

If I was a developer I would try to be original, yet I am not.

I was just giving my suggestions of what I would like to see for the story. If spyro did something to out there and original, I personally wouldn't enjoy playing it as much. Spyro has always been pretty lighthearted and simple, if I a bit unoriginal. I was just going along with what the other spyro games did, and saying something I could honestly see as possible.

Rather then most people who uses weird ideas that would never happen. Even if awesome and original, those sorts of ideas are pretty much hopeless dreams.

I was less pointing out what I would do if I was in charge, and what I would want and expect from the series if they did have a child. :3

Rurikredwolf · Feb 26, 2010 3:41 PM

So...original ideas and dreams are things that nothing will come from it? Yeah, totally why I am writing a book about something that no one has really ever tried. And guess what? I was told that it was fantastic! By an editor who is going to introduce me to a publisher!

Anyway, the series hasn't been lighthearted ever since ANB came in and they started to copy-paste of every fantasy cliche known to man.

Yeah, killing and more killing and even more killing. Totally a child's game.

Art Murder · Feb 26, 2010 4:01 PM

Rurikredwolf wrote:

So...original ideas and dreams are things that nothing will come from it? Yeah, totally why I am writing a book about something that no one has really ever tried. And guess what? I was told that it was fantastic! By an editor who is going to introduce me to a publisher!
Anyway, the series hasn't been lighthearted ever since ANB came in and they started to copy-paste of every fantasy cliche known to man.
Yeah, killing and more killing and even more killing. Totally a child's game.

I was talking about ONLY Spyro's story. I never said being original in every single story is a bad thing.

I have been writing a story for many years, I know were originality is needed, and were originality is not needed. In Spyro, I really don't want to see to much 'originality' because what little 'originality' they added to the LoS series nearly ruined it for me already.

Making stories isn't just about being original. To much originality is a bad thing, no matter what anyone tells you. Making a story 'good' isn't about being the most original(yes originality is a good thing, but if it's to original, no one will get it, or connect to the story) It's about making a capturing story(even if it's unoriginal), and in the case of a story that is already in motion, following the lineage of the story. Legend of Spyro already strayed far enough from Spyro's linage in some ways, and stayed unoriginal in ways it shouldn't have if they were going to go completely new.

None-Spyro example of what I am talking about: Avatar. That movie was pretty unoriginal. (and the world was very poorly designed in my opinion, but I put a LOOOT of effort into designing the world for my story, more effort then my story itself really, so I think that my opinion on that can be ignored but the average storyteller) Yet it was a smash hit.

Then you get a movie like V for Vendetta. very original, the plot is very powerful, and goes so far in depth you can watch it 100 times and not get everything. While pretty popular on release, it's almost fallen off the map, and most people give me a blank stare when I mention it. (though, It's not really an unheard of movie, and I could find a better example, just don't feel like it)

Besides, this discussion aside, I came up with all that crap off the top of my head at 2am in the morning, how good do you honestly expect it to be? xP In my own opinion, it isn't the best plot, far from it, it's just what I would expect to see, and what I would enjoy seeing for spyro's story. That's all I ever said about it. I would never put plot like that in my own story.

I think we are a bit off topic here though aren't we?

The Mad Thatter · Feb 26, 2010 6:08 PM

Look, Cynder isn't the only female dragon in the entire world, you know. Cynder and Spyro are teenage lovers and most teen relationships don't last, right? They've only known each other 2 seconds, anyway.

Kimbia28 · Mar 03, 2010 2:14 PM

The Mad Thatter wrote:

Look, Cynder isn't the only female dragon in the entire world, you know. Cynder and Spyro are teenage lovers and most teen relationships don't last, right? They've only known each other 2 seconds, anyway.

I dunno,maybe she is o.0 well that'd be wierd...heh xD
the thing is the developers just stupidly rushed the whole SpyroxCynder thing(faaanServiceee)...and they are not officialy teenage lovers,it's just Cynder who says that she loves Spyro at the end,and I was like WHATtheFUUAA?just like that?she was all angsty in the game ,where the hell did that line came from all of a sudden? imo Spyro has a more friend-like relationship with her...not LoVERZZ =/

They've only known each other 2 seconds, anyway.

thats another problem...
it was just forced...
they only got to know each other in like 2 games (she was evil and corrupted in ANB so that kinda doesn't count...come to think of it they weren't together in TEN much anyway...due to her being kidnapped by Gaul and all)

and in DotD they tried to get away with it with the whole chained-together-plot and that way kinda say: ''well they've been chained together and got to know each other and fell in loovee blahblah'' but the problem is most of the time they are just 'running' for their dear lives.

Sure...
they are friends and thats ok I guess...but IMO the i-luv-you-stuff should come atleast like 2 or 3 games after this one,but even then it would be just predictable,but better than they've done in DoTD...
But I really wouldn't like 2 more TLOS games, im just fed up with them -_-"
(if you like em,well sure that ok with me ...I don't mind:P)

oh and I think Cynder could have been a bit better character if she was an anti-hero or even stayed as a villain. D:

Spyro22 · Mar 03, 2010 5:20 PM

I think Spyro and Cynder are perfect together.
Spyro: Light (mostly)
Cynder: Dark

But them having kids...Big No No

The Mad Thatter · Mar 09, 2010 12:23 PM

Yes, they are perfect together. A drip girl for a wet boy. PERFECTTT...that's what makes it so imperfect, (is it IMperfect or INperfect? Someone please tell me!) because they click together like two perfect pieces in the jigsaw. I prefure it when you have to fiddle around with the piece a bit until it fits, it shows that bonding isn't an instant thing, really.
AND THEY LEFT SPARX BEHIND.
Mind you, Sparx was pretty stupid in DOTD, his humour pained me, and his voice made me want to die. I'd sooner he buzzed...

Apoc · Mar 10, 2010 3:22 PM

I have nothing against the idea of them having kids. But people seem to get bent out of shape when they put Spyro and/or Cynder with other people and start shoving their copy of DOTD in their faces shouting "SpyroxCynder forever!" Now I don't agree with that, all that Cynder said at the end of DOTD was "I love you" that doesn't mean that they're a couple we don't know if Spyro loves her back. Also they're fictional characters, who gives a d'amn?!

Rurikredwolf · Mar 10, 2010 3:59 PM

Apoc wrote:

Also they're fictional characters, who gives a d'amn?!

Fans.

Apoc · Mar 10, 2010 4:37 PM

Rurikredwolf wrote:

Apoc wrote:
Also they're fictional characters, who gives a d'amn?!
Fans.

True, that's a good point

spyroNcynder · Mar 21, 2010 7:54 AM

and I'm one of them, I love them both and I'm sure they love each other it's just they don't think they should
go to far so soon I mean yeah it may be diffrent for dragons then it is for us humans but really
I think that dragons are free to do what they please dragons had very little rules but to be safe were the eggs
were so big they it least made them wait for a long while just so that they could be able to handle
it a little more then what they would have. Anywho I think Spyro N Cynder are able to mate when ever they
feel like they need to, besides they have already safe the world from world enilation and if they
can do that I'm pretty sure they can take care of kids no matter what would come up and on the other hand
when ever they had to go take care of something they would have Ignitis and terrador inside,
and Volteer and Cyril outside making sure no one got in so there eggs have great chance of surviving before
they are born.

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon · Mar 21, 2010 8:47 AM

spyroNcynder wrote:

and I'm one of them, I love them both and I'm sure they love each other it's just they don't think they should
go to far so soon I mean yeah it may be diffrent for dragons then it is for us humans but really
I think that dragons are free to do what they please dragons had very little rules but to be safe were the eggs
were so big they it least made them wait for a long while just so that they could be able to handle
it a little more then what they would have. Anywho I think Spyro N Cynder are able to mate when ever they
feel like they need to, besides they have already safe the world from world enilation and if they
can do that I'm pretty sure they can take care of kids no matter what would come up and on the other hand
when ever they had to go take care of something they would have Ignitis and terrador inside,
and Volteer and Cyril outside making sure no one got in so there eggs have great chance of surviving before
they are born.

Wow, ever heard of punctuation?

Apoc · Mar 21, 2010 3:55 PM

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon wrote:

spyroNcynder wrote:
and I'm one of them, I love them both and I'm sure they love each other it's just they don't think they should
go to far so soon I mean yeah it may be diffrent for dragons then it is for us humans but really
I think that dragons are free to do what they please dragons had very little rules but to be safe were the eggs
were so big they it least made them wait for a long while just so that they could be able to handle
it a little more then what they would have. Anywho I think Spyro N Cynder are able to mate when ever they
feel like they need to, besides they have already safe the world from world enilation and if they
can do that I'm pretty sure they can take care of kids no matter what would come up and on the other hand
when ever they had to go take care of something they would have Ignitis and terrador inside,
and Volteer and Cyril outside making sure no one got in so there eggs have great chance of surviving before
they are born.
Wow, ever heard of punctuation?

I wonder if he can read that whole paragraph in one breath?

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Mar 21, 2010 4:26 PM

grammar correction = irrelevant.

i would say, Spyro should have kids in the VERY LAST Spyro game, and make the ending even better. also, because if it's the VERY LAST, then Spyro's kids couldn't ruin the storyline, change everything, etc.

i know another thing that happened to [Fairly Odd Parents] and the show just got dumber after that...

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon · Mar 21, 2010 8:08 PM

36IStillLikeSpyro36 wrote:

grammar correction = irrelevant.
i would say, Spyro should have kids in the VERY LAST Spyro game, and make the ending even better. also, because if it's the VERY LAST, then Spyro's kids couldn't ruin the storyline, change everything, etc.
i know another thing that happened to [Fairly Odd Parents] and the show just got dumber after that...

Grammar = your friend.

Yeah, but then that would mean NO MOAR SPYRO FO SURE. I mean, I don't want them to bleed him dry with so many games but, you know...

Apoc · Mar 21, 2010 8:27 PM

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon wrote:

36IStillLikeSpyro36 wrote:
grammar correction = irrelevant.
i would say, Spyro should have kids in the VERY LAST Spyro game, and make the ending even better. also, because if it's the VERY LAST, then Spyro's kids couldn't ruin the storyline, change everything, etc.
i know another thing that happened to [Fairly Odd Parents] and the show just got dumber after that...
Grammar = your friend.
Yeah, but then that would mean NO MOAR SPYRO FO SURE. I mean, I don't want them to bleed him dry with so many games but, you know...

Well that is a good thing seeing as he has been shamelessly overused.

Jackson117 · Mar 22, 2010 5:52 AM

The only spyro that should have kids is TLOS..

Orginial however is more of a lone wolf to me.

Besides we ain't seeing kids unless The dev's think that Disney like storyline should be the way to go

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon · Mar 22, 2010 7:07 AM

Jackson117 wrote:

The only spyro that should have kids is TLOS..
Orginial however is more of a lone wolf to me.
Besides we ain't seeing kids unless The dev's think that Disney like storyline should be the way to go

Disney-like storyline?

NO.

PLEASE NO.

As much as I liked Simba's Pride, they ruined one hell of a good thing with numerous plotholes, annoying songs, and a Romeo-and-Juliet plot that made certain parts hard to bear.

I liked the books better, where Simba's cub was a male named Kopa.

Apoc · Mar 22, 2010 5:04 PM

Scarlett-Fear-Dragon wrote:

Jackson117 wrote:
The only spyro that should have kids is TLOS..
Orginial however is more of a lone wolf to me.
Besides we ain't seeing kids unless The dev's think that Disney like storyline should be the way to go
Disney-like storyline?
NO.
PLEASE NO.
As much as I liked Simba's Pride, they ruined one hell of a good thing with numerous plotholes, annoying songs, and a Romeo-and-Juliet plot that made certain parts hard to bear.
I liked the books better, where Simba's cub was a male named Kopa.

Disney's pointless and grossly unneeded sequels just make me wanna take a carbine and aim it at my neck

Stormy · Mar 22, 2010 6:14 PM

About the whole grammar correction thing: Yes, that post was kind of unreadable due to lack of punctuation, but there's no need to be rude about it.

Anyways, I think Jackson117 is right about this. I still can't see it happening though, even with TLoS. I mean, I know the LoS developers don't exactly write the most creative storylines ever, but Spyro having kids is a little too cliche and fanservice-y, even for them.

Then again, I did say the same thing about a Spyro x Cynder romance, and look how that turned out. <_<

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