Osama is Dead (Not a joke)

Stormy · May 07, 2011 5:24 AM

Neotyguy40 wrote:

You want something that hasn't been repeated? Fine:
My uncle died on the day 9/11/2001.
I don't think I have to say how it happened.

Well, I'm sorry to hear that, but this still isn't anything new; it's an emotional appeal. We know Osama bin Laden killed many innocent people. We know that many people have personal reasons to be happy that he's gone. No one's denying that he was an evil man. We're only questioning the morality of celebrating a death. You seem to be taking this very personally.

Neotyguy40 wrote:

My argument was that certain people have a right to celebrate the end of such an evil person. His argument was that we had no reason, along with insulting us by calling us 'tasteless'. Ergo, I was only defending my statement, not prosecuting his, and personally I don't need to see that thrown at me.

I think you may have misunderstood me. In my last paragraph, I was only stating my own position, not necessarily defending his. But I guess I'll take a stab at this anyway.

I don't know if prince-dari ever said you don't have the "right" to celebrate his death, and I don't recall him ever saying any person, including you, was tasteless, or insulting you in any way. Also, I believe it was you who asked for reasoning from him, not the other way around. Please show me where these statements were ever made and I will gladly take this back; it's possible I missed them, but again, it seems to me like you're just taking this more personally than it was intended to be.

Rurikredwolf · May 07, 2011 5:04 PM

Anyone who killed and has been a thorn in our side for a while deserves a bit of celebration. After all, one less down and this a huge slap in face of terrorism.

Ziamber · May 23, 2011 7:27 PM

He was delt drugs by connor Leeming, tracked down by coropral Cripple, then tea-bagged by Master Chief, then incinerated by chuck norris

PET DEAD TALIBAN FANBOY

MaxwellTheScribblenaut · Jul 04, 2011 12:05 PM

I really think we should have tortured Bin Laden before we shot his left eye out. We should have put him in a building, and have a plane ram into THAT building, and see how HE likes it!

Clock-la · Jul 04, 2011 3:26 PM

MaxwellTheScribblenaut wrote:

I really think we should have tortured Bin Laden before we shot his left eye out. We should have put him in a building, and have a plane ram into THAT building, and see how HE likes it!

and eye for an eye anmd the world is blind.

JazzJackrabbit · Jul 04, 2011 5:00 PM

Clock-la wrote:

MaxwellTheScribblenaut wrote:
I really think we should have tortured Bin Laden before we shot his left eye out. We should have put him in a building, and have a plane ram into THAT building, and see how HE likes it!
and eye for an eye anmd the world is blind.

A blind world is better than one without justice.

Clock-la · Jul 04, 2011 5:11 PM

JazzJackrabbit wrote:

Clock-la wrote:
MaxwellTheScribblenaut wrote:
I really think we should have tortured Bin Laden before we shot his left eye out. We should have put him in a building, and have a plane ram into THAT building, and see how HE likes it!
and eye for an eye anmd the world is blind.
A blind world is better than one without justice.

so Justice is torturing a man and burn him alive in a building?

im sorry but i'd rather they just killed him and bedone with it rather than to sink to his level.

JazzJackrabbit · Jul 04, 2011 6:05 PM

Clock-la wrote:

JazzJackrabbit wrote:
Clock-la wrote:
and eye for an eye anmd the world is blind.
A blind world is better than one without justice.
so Justice is torturing a man and burn him alive in a building?
im sorry but i'd rather they just killed him and bedone with it rather than to sink to his level.

Oh, no, I'm glad they just killed him quickly. His assassination was impersonal and just, which is how punishment should be.

Shiruba · Jul 04, 2011 6:10 PM

An eye for an eye will make the whole world go blind. So that means we should only make the victim blind. I'm not for justice like this I'm just showing another way of thinking of this. I'd prefer people to rot in jail but in Osama's case we all know he deserves death. A man who wanted a million American children should in a way be celebrated. A man who was radically blind with murderous intent, I'm glad to see him dead. Celebrate or not it's your own choice. I see nothing wrong with celebrating this man's death. It was like Adolf Hitler's death but unlike Hitler's death the war will continue.

Does it really matter that people celebrate his death? People act like its a big deal. In the end nothing much will change. Terrorist will be mad either way. Terrorists will continue and nothing but fighting will occur.

Be glad this mans dead just remember this fight isn't over.

ontels · Jul 04, 2011 6:17 PM

I'm glad he's dead but we should still keep our honour and not act like savages dancing over a fresh kill, anyway I'm sure everyone has forgotten about this now anyway.

MaxwellTheScribblenaut · Jul 04, 2011 6:54 PM

ontels wrote:

I'm glad he's dead but we should still keep our honour and not act like savages dancing over a fresh kill, anyway I'm sure everyone has forgotten about this now anyway.

Oh no, they haven't forgot. My friend must be a hobo or something, because he didn't know Osama Bin Laden was dead, and when he heard, he squealed like a little schoolgirl, and said he was going to tell everyone. I didn't have the heart to tell him it happened a month ago XD

Clock-la · Jul 04, 2011 8:10 PM

Shiruba wrote:

An eye for an eye will make the whole world go blind. So that means we should only make the victim blind. I'm not for justice like this I'm just showing another way of thinking of this. I'd prefer people to rot in jail but in Osama's case we all know he deserves death. A man who wanted a million American children should in a way be celebrated. A man who was radically blind with murderous intent, I'm glad to see him dead. Celebrate or not it's your own choice. I see nothing wrong with celebrating this man's death. It was like Adolf Hitler's death but unlike Hitler's death the war will continue.
Does it really matter that people celebrate his death? People act like its a big deal. In the end nothing much will change. Terrorist will be mad either way. Terrorists will continue and nothing but fighting will occur.
Be glad this mans dead just remember this fight isn't over.

this in away, I still see it quite savage to be happy about anyone's death...I just think it as lets try to keep our "civolised" manners...

JazzJackrabbit · Jul 04, 2011 8:54 PM

I'm just relieved he's gone, though I do pity the fool.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Jul 04, 2011 9:35 PM

i still resent the way that's phrased; "glad he's dead". nobody should ever be happy about a death, that's just wrong. i'm glad his actions are over, but i'm not glad that he is.

a wise person once said, "it was necessary for the safety of others, but shouldn't be a proud moment.
rather, a shameful one that it had to come to this."

Neotyguy40 · Jul 04, 2011 10:55 PM

I'm glad he's dead. Bam. No other way to put it for me. There is always an exception to everything we do. THAT is what makes us human. Animals follow a set of instincts to keep them alive. We can decide whether at any time to follow our instinct or not. Forcing ourselves to either always follow it or always ignore it is one of the big differences between us and animals.

You should read Dune. It is pretty much an entire story of the differences between barbaric animal-like tribes/warriors and actual humans.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 wrote:

a wise person once said, "it was necessary for the safety of others, but shouldn't be a proud moment.
rather, a shameful one that it had to come to this."

Who said that?

Shiruba · Jul 04, 2011 11:27 PM

You can continue to sugar coat it but it is a good thing he is dead. Celebrating or not it doesn't matter. For you to be offended by a man's death who praise the actions of terrorists that day to me is even worse then being glad. I really respect how you two value life. That's great but seeing how the world is and how humans are. Just realize people will deserve death. Dictators and Despot's will hopefully fall and it's better for just one man to die than many to suffer. It's sad Osama had to resort to that to get what he wants but a man that blind will never be cured.

People are saying that we shouldn't celebrate to look civil but in the end does this really matter? We are still fighting an enemy that won't end and I hardly doubt this is provoking them more seeing the way they are acting. Sure you can feel more mature by not celebrating this mans death just remember, necessary actions need to be used on necessary evils.

Clock-la · Jul 05, 2011 10:15 AM

I think celibrating a leaders death will just realy get them more rattled up...

MaxwellTheScribblenaut · Jul 05, 2011 3:48 PM

You're right...but this is someone who has killed 3,019 people in one day, in four different locations, one not too far from my house. And think about those people on Flight 93...that one plane that crashed nose down into the ground and killed everyone in Scraton, PA. Don't you think their families would want revenge?

Clock-la · Jul 05, 2011 5:35 PM

MaxwellTheScribblenaut wrote:

You're right...but this is someone who has killed 3,019 people in one day, in four different locations, one not too far from my house. And think about those people on Flight 93...that one plane that crashed nose down into the ground and killed everyone in Scraton, PA. Don't you think their families would want revenge?

Depends on the person, we watched one vid in school about a woman that felt "kill this man he killed my daughter!!" ((It was a random convict)) but in the end she thought, I can't base my life around this hate towards this man, its better to just move on, and she did.

anyway, my view is we all reatic in diffrent ways to things but IMO i just think in this case to just kill the man and be done with it...but in moast other cases i think the death penelty is to far.

Shiruba · Jul 05, 2011 6:09 PM

That's where I completely agree with you. In most other cases the death penalty is too far. If the jury makes a mistake there's no way correct it if the person's dead. It's just with this man you couldn't have any other outcome.

Making them more riled up? There's much more things they have used to get supporters and their far more effective then us just celebrating. American soldiers posing in a picture with a dead afghanistan man is probably not helping us.

Again don't be sorry this mans dead. He chose to do this himself, he suffered the consequences.

Aceedwin · Jul 05, 2011 6:22 PM

Maxwell, revenge is irrational and selfish. And justice is revenge in a clean suit.

The only reasons to punish someone for a crime is to prevent them from doing it again, or to deter other potential criminals.

Anyway, Osama is old news. Al Qaeda got a new leader, as everyone knew they would. Osama's death hasn't done anything but give people a minor victory to revel in. Death doesn't scare people in Al Qaeda it seems, and his death hasn't slowed down the organisation. The terrorists are probably laughing about it right now. I mean, nine and a half years for the most powerful nation in the world to kill one man?

This thread has become stale and moot. Also boring. A mod should lock it for great justice.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Jul 05, 2011 6:30 PM

nobody deserves to die, but i won't deny that some of them need to die for the safety of the people. but we don't need to be glad about it. like i said before, nobody on either side should be celebrating anything. they think they're doing good work for Allah, but they shouldn't be happy that they had to kill us to get it done, they should be sad. and we were doing good by taking this step to help end a corrupt terrorist group, but none of us should be glad that it had to come to the point of killing anyone. it doesn't matter what anybody's done, all life has worth. we have the ability to realize that (that's a human thing, but please, don't pull that "barbaric" animals vs humans crap on me. especially on me) and to ignore that ability for pride and emotions just seems, well, horrible to me.

even i'm glad that his actions have ceased, but i'm not glad about the means; the killing. you think it's horrible that i'm "offended" (lol word choice) about the death of a terrorist, but i'm not "offended" about the death of a terrorist, i'm "offended" about the taking of life, and that after how many thousands of years of being here and evolving, we still justify and praise murder.

Shiruba · Jul 05, 2011 7:12 PM

You seem t believe humans are above killing but that is a very poor stance and you loling shows you aren't any better. Humans will end humans. There's no doubt we are the greatest threat to ourselves. You seemed to have ignored the fact I agree with you that it's sad we have to resort to things like this and have been ignoring what I have been saying. I respect you it's just in the end this will continue. In the end this won't stop anything and in the end, people will die. Believe what you want but it's not going to stop violence among ourselves. The truth is humans ARE that sad. We've waged wars fir anything. We can't even lead a nation without bickering like idiots and even though you may believe Al Qaeda is laughing about this. Their numbers have ridiculously dwindled. They still exist, they'll never go away but they weren't as big as before.

This topic is getting is getting old and we aren't accomplishing anything so I agree we should just let everything go. We aren't gonna change eachothers mind. We're stubborn and that's the truth. If we are resorting to disrespect now. Then there's just no point. This is a new Vietnam but even after this there will be more.

Neotyguy40 · Jul 05, 2011 7:19 PM

36IStillLikeSpyro36 wrote:

even i'm glad that his actions have ceased, but i'm not glad about the means; the killing. you think it's horrible that i'm "offended" (lol word choice) about the death of a terrorist, but i'm not "offended" about the death of a terrorist, i'm "offended" about the taking of life, and that after how many thousands of years of being here and evolving, we still justify and praise murder.

I think they were saying that it was more of being offended that other people are celebrating. Not from his death itself.

Everything is justifiable in some way. Even killing someone. If someone was about to attack me with a knife, wouldn't it be justifiable that I take out a gun and shoot him? Just think of that, except on a much, MUCH, larger scale.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 wrote:

that's a human thing, but please, don't pull that "barbaric" animals vs humans crap on me. especially on me

It's not "crap". It's very reasonable and is pretty relevant to this context. Everyone has different philosophies, and I have the freedom to express mine.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 wrote:

all life has worth

But the world should not need to pay more than that worth.

This isn't a "Should we kill a man to keep our freedom?" It is a "Should we kill a man who wants to take it away?".

Aceedwin wrote:

This thread has become stale and moot. Also boring. A mod should lock it for great justice.

Just because you don't like a thread doesn't mean it deserves to be locked. The mods will only lock a thread if it gets out of hand, off-topic, breaks a rule, etc. If they didn't lock it a month ago when it was getting out of hand, they certainly wouldn't lock it now while the discussion is going well.

Not because it is "boring".

Stormy · Jul 05, 2011 7:21 PM

You're all making some pretty good points. I'm glad this forum can have discussions about things like this without turning nasty like some other communities. Of course it's unlikely that anyone's mind is going to be changed, and yes, this thread is old, but why would I want to lock a thread where there's actually a worthwhile discussion going on? If someone doesn't want to talk about this anymore they can just not click on the thread.

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