End of America

Neotyguy40 · May 01, 2011 4:41 PM

Aceedwin wrote:

I'd still prefer to be called cynical. And I have my moments. It's hard when you see nothing but happiness in most of the world. Most of it.

You see me as someone who is happy about everything?

How the heck is that true? There is plenty of stuff I am not all giddy about. I mean, there are a lot more things I like than what I don't, and I think everything can be turned into something happy with enough work, but I don't think everything is all rainbows and puppies at its current state.

Aceedwin wrote:

By the way, how strange is it for a person who is two years older (assuming Jusey wasn't lying about his age) than me to be calling me "mean"? Whatever, renegade Shephard always had more fun, so it can't be that bad.

I don't see what's strange about that.

I mean, I don't see what's strange about it coming from someone 2 years older than you. Age is but a number and numbers can't measure maturity.

P.S. - Hundredth reply on the thread. In yo faces!

Aceedwin · May 01, 2011 4:49 PM

I was referring to myself. That's the point.

Neotyguy40 · May 01, 2011 4:51 PM

Aceedwin wrote:

I was referring to myself. That's the point.

I'm laughing, but I don't know why.

ontels · May 01, 2011 6:34 PM

Jusey1 wrote:

@ Aceed: I do have some freinds that I consider to be mean. I'm only saying what I've notice. You and ontels, mostly ontels, seem to be mean often. I hadn't seen Swaffy being mean to anyone, yet.

I can be pretty mean but so can God and lots of people love him.

Aceedwin · May 01, 2011 7:10 PM

Neotyguy40 wrote:

Aceedwin wrote:
I was referring to myself. That's the point.
I'm laughing, but I don't know why.

Well, I'm glad I brought a little laughter to your day.

Why do threads last less than two pages before they are thrown off the rails, nowadays?

Neotyguy40 · May 01, 2011 7:20 PM

Aceedwin wrote:

Neotyguy40 wrote:
Aceedwin wrote:
I was referring to myself. That's the point.
I'm laughing, but I don't know why.
Well, I'm glad I brought a little laughter to your day.
Why do threads last less than two pages before they are thrown off the rails, nowadays?

*insert sarcastic answer here*

That's why.

Jusey1 · May 02, 2011 7:30 PM

Aceedwin wrote:

I'd still prefer to be called cynical. And I have my moments. It's hard when you see nothing but happiness in most of the world. Most of it.
By the way, how strange is it for a person who is two years older (assuming Jusey wasn't lying about his age) than me to be calling me "mean"? Whatever, renegade Shephard always had more fun, so it can't be that bad.

1st off, I am 17 years and I ain't calling you mean. I rank you as a mean person and therefore, I think you are, or can be, mean to others. You are mean to me a lot and I always wonder why, but then again, I don't care.

2ndly, I am mature, like I said; I was ranking you, not calling you.

3rdly, there is a lot of people younger people than you that I consider mean. Like the 6th graders in my school that picks on me on the bus a lot, I consider them to be mean but I don't truely go and tell "Your mean!" like an immature child.

Lastly, my mind works in many ways and hard to understand. I try to explain this stuff, before, to my parents and they had no idea what I was talking about.

Latias fan · May 02, 2011 9:41 PM

Jusey1 wrote:

Aceedwin wrote:
I'd still prefer to be called cynical. And I have my moments. It's hard when you see nothing but happiness in most of the world. Most of it.
By the way, how strange is it for a person who is two years older (assuming Jusey wasn't lying about his age) than me to be calling me "mean"? Whatever, renegade Shephard always had more fun, so it can't be that bad.
1st off, I am 17 years and I ain't calling you mean. I rank you as a mean person and therefore, I think you are, or can be, mean to others. You are mean to me a lot and I always wonder why, but then again, I don't care.
2ndly, I am mature, like I said; I was ranking you, not calling you.
3rdly, there is a lot of people younger people than you that I consider mean. Like the 6th graders in my school that picks on me on the bus a lot, I consider them to be mean but I don't truely go and tell "Your mean!" like an immature child.
Lastly, my mind works in many ways and hard to understand. I try to explain this stuff, before, to my parents and they had no idea what I was talking about.

There's 6th graders in your bus?are you in middle school?while your 17?

Jusey1 · May 02, 2011 10:19 PM

Latias fan wrote:

There's 6th graders in your bus?are you in middle school?while your 17?

Um.. No. I'm a Softomore.

High School and Middle School gets out at 2:17PM (6th-Seniors) so we do ride the same bus.

Swaffy · May 04, 2011 6:33 AM

Latias, don't judge him so quickly.

Everyone's school is not the same as yours. Jusey is the innocent one here.

ontels · May 04, 2011 5:17 PM

Your onlly saying that because he called you nice.

Neotyguy40 · May 04, 2011 8:10 PM

Jusey1 wrote:

1st off, I am 17 years and I ain't calling you mean. I rank you as a mean person and therefore, I think you are, or can be, mean to others. You are mean to me a lot and I always wonder why, but then again, I don't care.

I do not understand... You weren't calling him mean, but you were ranking him mean... Can you explain this further? I can't see the difference between "calling someone mean" and telling them "I rank you mean."

Jusey1 wrote:

2ndly, I am mature, like I said; I was ranking you, not calling you.

Calling yourself mature does not make you sound mature. It makes you sound like you have no humility.

Jusey1 wrote:

3rdly, there is a lot of people younger people than you that I consider mean. Like the 6th graders in my school that picks on me on the bus a lot, I consider them to be mean but I don't truely go and tell "Your mean!" like an immature child.

I hate it when small children try to 'act tough'. Those 6th graders are the kind of people that won't get anywhere in life. They'll be enjoying detentions after school when they get to highschool.

Jusey1 wrote:

Lastly, my mind works in many ways and hard to understand. I try to explain this stuff, before, to my parents and they had no idea what I was talking about.

Note: There is no such thing as a mind that is hard to understand. Only a mind that can't communicate with others. We aren't therapists and you shouldn't expect anyone without psychological study to attempt to understand. If someone doesn't understand someone, it's only because either they can't communicate their feelings towards others, or they don't want others to understand.

Latias fan wrote:

There's 6th graders in your bus?are you in middle school?while your 17?

I'm a sophomore, and there are 6th graders on my bus (or at least there would be if I took the bus). It's not uncommon for buses to be joint together between schools.

ontels wrote:

Your onlly saying that because he called you nice.

I can see where he's coming from. Didn't compliment me at all. And besides, being called 'nice' is just a label, and if something can be labelled it can be judged. Swaffeh isn't the kind of person to care about being judged (even though this sentence is sort of judging anyways).

Jusey1 · May 05, 2011 7:47 PM

Neotyguy40 wrote:

I do not understand... You weren't calling him mean, but you were ranking him mean... Can you explain this further? I can't see the difference between "calling someone mean" and telling them "I rank you mean."
Calling yourself mature does not make you sound mature. It makes you sound like you have no humility.
I hate it when small children try to 'act tough'. Those 6th graders are the kind of people that won't get anywhere in life. They'll be enjoying detentions after school when they get to highschool.
Note: There is no such thing as a mind that is hard to understand. Only a mind that can't communicate with others. We aren't therapists and you shouldn't expect anyone without psychological study to attempt to understand. If someone doesn't understand someone, it's only because either they can't communicate their feelings towards others, or they don't want others to understand.

1st off, I'm ranking them mean in my head. I don't tell them anything at all. I'll just know that they are mean people and I wont act nicely toward them.

2nd, I know but I still consider myself mature. Prolly because most of the students in my classes are VERY immature idiots and I'm one of the rare mature teens.

3rd, Yep.

4th, Idk what you mean by that. I explain myself to people before and they have no idea. What I was explaining was that I'll 'rank' people in my memory as nice, mean, etc; either be their personality and how they react to others. I will than react to them in certain ways, depending on how I ranked them. Example: I rank you (Neo) more of a neutral type of guy who seems to know a lot(All I got so far). I'll reply to you by telling you what I know and be nice back.

ontels · May 05, 2011 7:50 PM

Seems like you have a very rigid way of interacting with people, it must be hard for you.

Aceedwin · May 05, 2011 9:31 PM

Jusey1 wrote:

1st off, I'm ranking them mean in my head. I don't tell them anything at all. I'll just know that they are mean people and I wont act nicely toward them.
2nd, I know but I still consider myself mature. Prolly because most of the students in my classes are VERY immature idiots and I'm one of the rare mature teens.
3rd, Yep.
4th, Idk what you mean by that. I explain myself to people before and they have no idea. What I was explaining was that I'll 'rank' people in my memory as nice, mean, etc; either be their personality and how they react to others. I will than react to them in certain ways, depending on how I ranked them. Example: I rank you (Neo) more of a neutral type of guy who seems to know a lot(All I got so far). I'll reply to you by telling you what I know and be nice back.

"Ranking" us mean, and then informing us of this is exactly the same as calling us mean. The only difference is that we can be a little more sure that that's what you really think, because you've tried to cover it up with some half-baked semantics.

I have a feeling mature people don't go insisting they are mature to try and gain respect on an online forum based around a purple dragon.

You have to admit, it takes stones for a little kid to take on someone who is nearly a legal adult. Or maybe they're just trying to bring strength in numbers to the table.

'I can be hard to understand.'
'I disagree and this is why...'
'I don't understand.' - Anyone for some irony?

It's fine to have opinions of people. In fact, I think one's mind should be utterly free. One should be able to be as offensive, prejudiced, and disgusting in the privacy of their own head. None of that is anywhere near "hard to understand", so don't flatter yourself. The important thing is to keep it personal. To keep the rights to freedom in your mind, you must respect the rights of others in the world.

Swaffy · May 05, 2011 9:46 PM

Jusey, I'm not intending to be or sound rude when I say this, but I agree
with these two people. You are pretty much telling me that "calling
someone something" isn't the same as "calling someone something."

[hr:6fcb602d19]
Ontels and Edwin, what do you two think of me? Who am I to you?
Please be honest, if you can.

Aceedwin · May 05, 2011 9:51 PM

A dirty fascist.

I'm kidding. Why would I just tell you my opinion of you? I'm not Japanese, with their strange little honorifics that must be so awkward to use. I don't wear my heart on my sleeve, as it were. After everything I just said about keeping one's thoughts seperate from one's actions, why would I ever make an action with which you could so easily read my thoughts?

ontels · May 05, 2011 9:57 PM

I hardly think of you swaffy, your another person in another websight I visit every day.

Neotyguy40 · May 05, 2011 10:17 PM

Jusey1 wrote:

1st off, I'm ranking them mean in my head. I don't tell them anything at all. I'll just know that they are mean people and I wont act nicely toward them.

Okay, I STILL don't understand what you mean. You didn't "call them mean", but you did "tell" them that you "rank them mean." Could you reiterate?

Jusey1 wrote:

2nd, I know but I still consider myself mature. Prolly because most of the students in my classes are VERY immature idiots and I'm one of the rare mature teens.

Believe me, I can relate. However it isn't something you should announce. It's better to have humility and be immature than mature without humility.

See, if you take a group of people that are immature, yet humble in nature, they will be able to fit in with others like them. They will grow up to be part of their own small "personality community". Same thing happens if someone is both mature AND humble.

However, lacking humility, whether you are mature or not, will not put you in either of those "personality communities". Nobody likes people who don't know humility, whether they are mature, immature, humble, or not. NO ONE would like to be around someone like that.

Jusey1 wrote:

4th, Idk what you mean by that. I explain myself to people before and they have no idea. What I was explaining was that I'll 'rank' people in my memory as nice, mean, etc; either be their personality and how they react to others. I will than react to them in certain ways, depending on how I ranked them. Example: I rank you (Neo) more of a neutral type of guy who seems to know a lot(All I got so far). I'll reply to you by telling you what I know and be nice back.

Well I'm happy you rank me as someone who's intelligent, and I do prefer to stay neutral rather than nice or mean, however I don't think it's appropriate to judge people in this forum like that. We all get into arguments with each other, however unless you tell someone what you think of them (like you did before and just now), they will never hold a grudge... EXCEPT some certain people who just commit to having bland attitudes (they know who I am talking about).

For example, I've been in arguments with half of the people on the forum. Clock-la, Swaffeh, Stormy, and a whole bunch of others have debated and argued against me before. Heck, even SpyroRocks himself got into an argument with me when I said I enjoy using OSX and Linux more than Windows. However, we all talk to each other in different threads as if we have never met before. We never hold grudges, and we never judge anyone outside of the specified conversation. And if someone does, you know that they are going to be torn apart by us. Sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly. However, if you think you see that happening to you, that may give you an insight on what you need to change with communication.

Jusey1 · May 06, 2011 10:33 PM

Neotyguy40 wrote:

Okay, I STILL don't understand what you mean. You didn't "call them mean", but you did "tell" them that you "rank them mean." Could you reiterate?
Believe me, I can relate. However it isn't something you should announce. It's better to have humility and be immature than mature without humility.
See, if you take a group of people that are immature, yet humble in nature, they will be able to fit in with others like them. They will grow up to be part of their own small "personality community". Same thing happens if someone is both mature AND humble.
However, lacking humility, whether you are mature or not, will not put you in either of those "personality communities". Nobody likes people who don't know humility, whether they are mature, immature, humble, or not. NO ONE would like to be around someone like that.
Well I'm happy you rank me as someone who's intelligent, and I do prefer to stay neutral rather than nice or mean, however I don't think it's appropriate to judge people in this forum like that. We all get into arguments with each other, however unless you tell someone what you think of them (like you did before and just now), they will never hold a grudge... EXCEPT some certain people who just commit to having bland attitudes (they know who I am talking about).
For example, I've been in arguments with half of the people on the forum. Clock-la, Swaffeh, Stormy, and a whole bunch of others have debated and argued against me before. Heck, even SpyroRocks himself got into an argument with me when I said I enjoy using OSX and Linux more than Windows. However, we all talk to each other in different threads as if we have never met before. We never hold grudges, and we never judge anyone outside of the specified conversation. And if someone does, you know that they are going to be torn apart by us. Sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly. However, if you think you see that happening to you, that may give you an insight on what you need to change with communication.

1st; I didn't mean to say how I rank people. It kinda happened while I was explaining myself.

2nd; I do have humility. I guess if you wanna put into that, I can be immature but I'm mostly mature. As for humility, I do have it; I do know one's importance is and I do believe everyone is important for something.

3rd; getting into arguments, or debates, is common within friendships. Getting into fights that hurts one's feelings isn't common within friendships; that's why I consider Aceed and ontels to be mean, they hurt my feelings and made me remember a bad moment in my life.... I hate that a lot. I don't hold grudges but I ain't gonna be as friendly to them, like I normally am to others.

@Aceed and ontels, I ain't even replying to your posts so don't even comment on me.

Aceedwin · May 06, 2011 11:27 PM

Jusey1 wrote:

1st; I didn't mean to say how I rank people. It kinda happened while I was explaining myself.
2nd; I do have humility. I guess if you wanna put into that, I can be immature but I'm mostly mature. As for humility, I do have it; I do know one's importance is and I do believe everyone is important for something.
3rd; getting into arguments, or debates, is common within friendships. Getting into fights that hurts one's feelings isn't common within friendships; that's why I consider Aceed and ontels to be mean, they hurt my feelings and made me remember a bad moment in my life.... I hate that a lot. I don't hold grudges but I ain't gonna be as friendly to them, like I normally am to others.
@Aceed and ontels, I ain't even replying to your posts so don't even comment on me.

I'll comment on whomever I *bleep* well please. And besides, isn't it a little immature to just avoid contact with people you find intimidating? Especially when you're overreacting massively to some trivial little teasing.

Saying you have humility is pretty ironic, as the core of humility is not making a big deal out of your merits, like humility. So yeah, self-pwnage was pretty funny.

And I don't, and didn't consider you a friend, so your argument doesn't follow. On the internet, your feelings are fair game if you choose to expose yourself. And you certainly did so. Also, not being as friendly to someone because of past trespasses is pretty much a textbook example of holding a grudge.

You seem to have a very tenuous hold on the vocabulary of the English language. I'd suggest actually reading through your posts to check that what you're saying actually makes sense. That might help people understand your mind, even if it does "work in many ways."

tl;dr, stop being hypocritical and learn how to use the English language.

Neotyguy40 · May 07, 2011 12:29 AM

Jusey1 wrote:

1st; I didn't mean to say how I rank people. It kinda happened while I was explaining myself.

Just want to let you know it's going to be very hard for you on these forums now that you told them that. It's going to be hard to make them forgive you unless you go Ghandi and tell them directly that you're sorry. Although I don't think they would believe your apology is sincere until you actually think differently about them.

Jusey1 wrote:

2nd; I do have humility. I guess if you wanna put into that, I can be immature but I'm mostly mature. As for humility, I do have it; I do know one's importance is and I do believe everyone is important for something.

I don't think you get this "being humble" concept. Let me just put it to you this way; Don't call yourself intelligent, strong, funny, mature, or any other compliment towards yourself. It gives the impression you are the complete opposite of what you call yourself AND it makes you sound like you have a big ego.

Jusey1 wrote:

3rd; getting into arguments, or debates, is common within friendships. Getting into fights that hurts one's feelings isn't common within friendships; that's why I consider Aceed and ontels to be mean, they hurt my feelings and made me remember a bad moment in my life.... I hate that a lot. I don't hold grudges but I ain't gonna be as friendly to them, like I normally am to others.

I don't mean to make you feel bad, but this is the internet. If you get into a personal argument with someone, they will hurt your feelings, whether it's purposely or accidental. From the argument I saw at the beginning, I would say it was pretty accidental until you started to insult them.

I also find it odd how you say you don't hold grudges, but you "ain't gonna be as friendly to them". It sounds like that is holding a grudge to me.

Jusey1 wrote:

@Aceed and ontels, I ain't even replying to your posts so don't even comment on me.

I'm sorry to say this, but every time you post something it seems you keep putting yourself in a worse and worse position. You can't just say on a forum that you are going to ignore them, and you certainly can't tell them what they can and can't do.

It is difficult to make a good impression on a forum. It requires a lot of public speaking skills (face it, you are talking to at least a dozen people at a time), good critical thinking skills (threads without arguments don't exist), and you need to be able to look beyond the words someone says (reading between the lines is a good figurative example).

However, the rewards of communicating on a forum like this is the gain of the same skills as you require to be part of one. I've learned more public speaking and rhetorical skills on this site than the past 4 years of my english class. I've been able to pick out meanings of letters, notes, and messages that I otherwise would have completely missed (such as detecting non-obvious sarcasm). And I was even influenced by a spanish speaker on this forum a while ago to learn the language myself.

My point is, even if you feel you are in the right now, other people will see it differently. If it isn't personal, then you can debate your way to reach a mutual point (you will rarely think the same way once the argument is over, and same with your opposer). However, in situations like these where the argument is personal, it is hard for both sides to reach that mutual point. One side has to go all the way to the other side, and then the other side may, or may not bring you back half-way. Either way, it is public opinion on who is the one who needs to start going forward in this situation, and when that person refuses to go forward, people tend to get angry at them. It requires an open mind to accept how an argument has turned out, even if your feelings were hurt.

To sum up what I am saying, I think the best course right now would be to just make an apology to Aceedwin and Ontels in your next post on this thread. I have a pretty good feeling they would forgive you if you are sincere (even if they say they will never forgive you, they aren't close-minded people and they don't hold grudges). They ARE nice people, and they never purposely try to hurt anyone unless they are personally insulted. However, I am only mediating this discussion on a single side, so I can't help you past this point.

Jusey1 · May 07, 2011 3:15 AM

My idea of "Holding a grudge" is when you hate that person a lot and will fight with them, if you get the chance.

As for the apology. No. I wont say sorry to them. They never apologize for what they've done to me; so why should I apologize to them?

And btw, complimenting yourself is a good thing if you don't over do it. It's better to compliment yourself then say to yourself "I wish I'm dead." etc.

As for the good impression thing; Eh.. Idk for sure. I do stuff like that, I'm really good at making friends with people but also, I really good at making enemies with people. It all depends on personalities and beliefs.

Neotyguy40 · May 07, 2011 3:57 AM

Jusey1 wrote:

My idea of "Holding a grudge" is when you hate that person a lot and will fight with them, if you get the chance.

A grudge means that you hold something against a person.

Jusey1 wrote:

As for the apology. No. I wont say sorry to them. They never apologize for what they've done to me; so why should I apologize to them?

Well then I can't support any part of that argument from here forward.

Jusey1 wrote:

And btw, complimenting yourself is a good thing if you don't over do it. It's better to compliment yourself then say to yourself "I wish I'm dead." etc.

To yourself? Yes. But out loud you shouldn't say either of those things. Complimenting yourself out loud makes you look like you have a big ego, and saying out loud "I wish I was dead" makes you sound emo.

Jusey1 wrote:

As for the good impression thing; Eh.. Idk for sure. I do stuff like that, I'm really good at making friends with people but also, I really good at making enemies with people. It all depends on personalities and beliefs.

Yea, this is where I cross my line.

If you make friends based on their "beliefs", then save yourself the trouble and just leave. No one wants such a judgmental person on the forum.

And I thought I was too judging...

Jusey1 · May 07, 2011 1:57 PM

Neotyguy40 wrote:

Yea, this is where I cross my line.
If you make friends based on their "beliefs", then save yourself the trouble and just leave. No one wants such a judgmental person on the forum.
And I thought I was too judging...

This is the only thing I'ma just reply to.

*Facepalms*

I make friends by their personality. The whole 'beliefs' comes in when their religion thoughts makes them hate me.

Example: Good friend of mine, or was, was a High-Time-Christian. When she learn I was bisexual; she begin yelling at me and swearing at me. Telling me to become Straight, and I said no; and she basicly insulted me some more and say we're not friends anymore. She also ended up insulting all homosexual and bisexual via a journal and a lot of her 'friends' were upset and begin to hate her for what she've done.

That is when 'beliefs' comes in.

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