Music?

G-Man_93 · Apr 16, 2011 8:53 PM

Apoc wrote:

Swaffy wrote:
You pay attention to those people, those few people who decided to take
personal pleasure and greed over Christ, and label them as real
Christians? Is that the best you can do? Those people are fools for setting
a bad example towards Christianity. That's why they're not famous in
Christian music, and that's why that singer [Hillsong singer] is no longer a
part of the Hillsong band.
Hillsong has many bands [some with fools who aren't actually Christians
but lie to get in the band] that stretch out accross the planet, doing
wonderful things for people who need help. You atheists look past all of
the good that us Christians do for the world and focus on the ignorant
people shown in the video? Those people aren't even real Christians.
PM me if you want, I don't want the rest of this to be public if it continues.

Funny, just about every other Christian told me the same thing. Christians have been corrupt for years.

I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure the topic of religion is not allowed to be discussed on here. I know Swaffy started it all, but I'm curious if you could PM me on why you think all Christians are 'corrupt'.

Apoc · Apr 16, 2011 8:56 PM

G-Man_93 wrote:

Apoc wrote:
Swaffy wrote:
You pay attention to those people, those few people who decided to take
personal pleasure and greed over Christ, and label them as real
Christians? Is that the best you can do? Those people are fools for setting
a bad example towards Christianity. That's why they're not famous in
Christian music, and that's why that singer [Hillsong singer] is no longer a
part of the Hillsong band.
Hillsong has many bands [some with fools who aren't actually Christians
but lie to get in the band] that stretch out accross the planet, doing
wonderful things for people who need help. You atheists look past all of
the good that us Christians do for the world and focus on the ignorant
people shown in the video? Those people aren't even real Christians.
PM me if you want, I don't want the rest of this to be public if it continues.
I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure the topic of religion is not allowed to be discussed on here. I know Swaffy started it all, but I'm curious if you could PM me on why you think all Christians are 'corrupt'.
Funny, just about every other Christian told me the same thing. Christians have been corrupt for years.

That was unnecessary.

G-Man_93 · Apr 16, 2011 9:02 PM

Yeah, I kinda screwed up that last message, sorry. But what exactly makes you think all Christians are corrupt?

Apoc · Apr 16, 2011 9:09 PM

G-Man_93 wrote:

Yeah, I kinda screwed up that last message, sorry. But what exactly makes you think all Christians are corrupt?

The Church and the Vatican. It's blatantly obvious why.

G-Man_93 · Apr 16, 2011 9:19 PM

Apoc wrote:

G-Man_93 wrote:
Yeah, I kinda screwed up that last message, sorry. But what exactly makes you think all Christians are corrupt?
The Church and the Vatican. It's blatantly obvious why.

The Vatican is just one segment of Christianity though (Catholicism). However, I think this conversation should be brought to a close before you or I get in trouble...

JazzJackrabbit · Apr 16, 2011 9:20 PM

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Apoc · Apr 16, 2011 9:20 PM

Good plan, my PM box is open

Apoc · Apr 16, 2011 9:31 PM

JazzJackrabbit wrote:

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I am reminded of a quote by Ghandi, about him loving Christ, but not the Christians. So many nominal (fake) Christians (such as the ones in that video Apoc posted) give the real ones a bad name. I'm trying to be the Christian that Ghandi doesn't know about.

What defines a Christian by the way? Because, from what I can tell, you believe in the Christian God, you're a Christian.

Christians saying that "this person is a fake Christian because he does this and I don't" is really stupid because you share the same faith, and also it's all a test of faith, not a test of purity so these's "fake Christians" are not fake because all you need to do is believe in God, there is nothing to suggest that this is not just a test of faith. And this whole "personal pleasure" thing, you'd rather give up everything that life has to give you just so you can play "the ball under the cup game".

There are a lot of religions out there, none of them have actually proved themselves to be the "true" religion. As I stated above, just like "the ball under the cup game", 1000 cups and 1 ball, 00.1% that yours is correct and a 99.9% that it isn't, so statistically any Christian/Muslim/Jew, etc is just as doomed as any Atheist/Anti-theist/Satanist, etc.

JazzJackrabbit · Apr 16, 2011 10:43 PM

Apoc wrote:

JazzJackrabbit wrote:
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I am reminded of a quote by Ghandi, about him loving Christ, but not the Christians. So many nominal (fake) Christians (such as the ones in that video Apoc posted) give the real ones a bad name. I'm trying to be the Christian that Ghandi doesn't know about.
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What defines a Christian by the way? Because, from what I can tell, you believe in the Christian God, you're a Christian.
Christians saying that "this person is a fake Christian because he does this and I don't" is really stupid because you share the same faith, and also it's all a test of faith, not a test of purity so these's "fake Christians" are not fake because all you need to do is believe in God, there is nothing to suggest that this is not just a test of faith. And this whole "personal pleasure" thing, you'd rather give up everything that life has to give you just so you can play "the ball under the cup game".
There are a lot of religions out there, none of them have actually proved themselves to be the "true" religion. As I stated above, just like "the ball under the cup game", 1000 cups and 1 ball, 00.1% that yours is correct and a 99.9% that it isn't, so statistically any Christian/Muslim/Jew, etc is just as doomed as any Atheist/Anti-theist/Satanist, etc.
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Now I'd like to end this sub-thread before the ban-hammer bros come. If there is a way to start a private thread (to avoid filling up a profile wall), and you would like to continue this conversation, let me know.

WE NOW RETURN TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED THREAD:
Music is fun to listen to and stuff.

Apoc · Apr 16, 2011 10:53 PM

JazzJackrabbit wrote:

Apoc wrote:
JazzJackrabbit wrote:
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I am reminded of a quote by Ghandi, about him loving Christ, but not the Christians. So many nominal (fake) Christians (such as the ones in that video Apoc posted) give the real ones a bad name. I'm trying to be the Christian that Ghandi doesn't know about.
What defines a Christian by the way? Because, from what I can tell, you believe in the Christian God, you're a Christian.
Christians saying that "this person is a fake Christian because he does this and I don't" is really stupid because you share the same faith, and also it's all a test of faith, not a test of purity so these's "fake Christians" are not fake because all you need to do is believe in God, there is nothing to suggest that this is not just a test of faith. And this whole "personal pleasure" thing, you'd rather give up everything that life has to give you just so you can play "the ball under the cup game".
There are a lot of religions out there, none of them have actually proved themselves to be the "true" religion. As I stated above, just like "the ball under the cup game", 1000 cups and 1 ball, 00.1% that yours is correct and a 99.9% that it isn't, so statistically any Christian/Muslim/Jew, etc is just as doomed as any Atheist/Anti-theist/Satanist, etc.
What defines a Christian is the relationship with Christ. People can say they are Christians and not be Christians because they lack that relationship. All I can judge is whether or not someone is a Christian, so that I may attempt help them. I totally understand your ball and cup analogy, but the cups are transparent if you want them to be.

Then you've just debunked your argument, these people are in as much of a relationship with Christ as you are(if you are). Those people who say they are Christians and are not in said relationship can't call themselves Christian can they? Because if they haven't accepted Jesus then they can't say they're Christian, that would make them Agnostic.

Help them in what way? Converting them? Or just lecturing them on their sins? I oppose both of those methods, religion shouldn't be something that's forced.

cooldude22345 · Apr 16, 2011 11:39 PM

It's kind of ignorant to say that all christians are corrupt.

And, catholics are NOT christians.

PLZPLZ LET US DEBATE THIS MODS.

JazzJackrabbit · Apr 16, 2011 11:40 PM

We don't force. We use reason and let people decide for themselves. And how exactly did I debunk my own argument. Someone calling him/herself a Christian doesn't prove anything other than wanting to be labeled as a Christian. Trust me, it happens all the time. I am sick of the human traditions in many churches, and I totally understand your disbelief. If you want me to stop, just tell me and I will.

Apoc · Apr 16, 2011 11:43 PM

JazzJackrabbit wrote:

We don't force. We use reason and let people decide for themselves. And how exactly did I debunk my own argument. Someone calling him/herself a Christian doesn't prove anything other than wanting to be labeled as a Christian. Trust me, it happens all the time. I am sick of the human traditions in many churches, and I totally understand your disbelief. If you want me to stop, just tell me and I will.

What would acquiring some label accomplish?

Fair enough.

Stormy · Apr 17, 2011 3:34 AM

This thread is for music, not religious debates. Furthermore, discussion of religion is not allowed on this forum. No more arguing about this here.

Apoc · Apr 17, 2011 10:52 AM

Stormy wrote:

This thread is for music, not religious debates. Furthermore, discussion of religion is not allowed on this forum. No more arguing about this here.

Got it

Neotyguy40 · Apr 17, 2011 3:06 PM

Stormy wrote:

This thread is for music, not religious debates. Furthermore, discussion of religion is not allowed on this forum. No more arguing about this here.

Dangit! I missed the ENTIRE argument!

Jusey1 · Apr 17, 2011 5:51 PM

Neotyguy40 wrote:

Stormy wrote:
This thread is for music, not religious debates. Furthermore, discussion of religion is not allowed on this forum. No more arguing about this here.
Dangit! I missed the ENTIRE argument!

Same here but idc. I hate being in arguments unless needed.

Swaffy · Apr 17, 2011 6:11 PM

[url]That was fun. Okay, back to music.[/color]

Neotyguy40 · Apr 17, 2011 11:31 PM

Swaffy wrote:

[url]That was fun. Okay, back to music.[/color]

Too much blue in video, not enough in your special Swaffeh text...

Apoc · Apr 17, 2011 11:50 PM

Clock-la · Apr 18, 2011 9:53 PM

any classic disney music big_smile

Jpop tongue its addictive

Vidio game music

Frave song all togeter? Oh i could never say it changes soo often.

Apoc · Apr 18, 2011 10:32 PM

Swaffy · Apr 19, 2011 3:33 AM

I found a torrent with all of the Battlefield: Bad Company 2: Vietnam
music. Oh, dear, it's so cool. I just jam out to it in my car and at home.
I thought '60s music was terrible, but DICE has shown me some cool songs.

JazzJackrabbit · Apr 19, 2011 8:31 PM

I just got Cog on my Mac. Now I can listen to .s3m files.

G-Man_93 · Apr 19, 2011 8:41 PM

Swaffy wrote:

I thought '60s music was terrible, but DICE has shown me some cool songs.

You obviously haven't listened to enough of The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, and Led Zeppelin. I'd probably be able to go on for at least 10 minutes listing all the amazing '60s bands.

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