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#101 Jul 05, 2011 7:34 PM

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Re: Osama is Dead (Not a joke)

In the time between typing that up and posting it, about five good points were made. So maybe it's still fine. Still feels like old ground to me, though. I thought it'd be like that thread with the wolves and the hunters, where the discussion ended about page 3, but the thread kept going as people went into the thread, read the first post, and posted the same drivel over and over, never reading the stuff that other people would end up reposting.


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#102 Jul 05, 2011 7:49 PM

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I was in a debate class in highschool sobsorry that might points might be rough. I do believe believe we are all making good points I don't see anyone saying something that is not right. I read and saw people arguing about if it's right to celebrate death and in the end it's your opinion. I'm just believing what I know and listening to what others know it's what I believe is a great debate. It's interesting to know what others think. I still respect all of you and don't give a (almost cussed here) if you disagree with me or not. I'd rather you explain me what you believe then follow blindly. Remember in other countries you can get shot for your opinion.

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#103 Jul 05, 2011 8:46 PM

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Maxwell, revenge is irrational and selfish. And justice is revenge in a clean suit.

The only reasons to punish someone for a crime is to prevent them from doing it again, or to deter other potential criminals.

Anyway, Osama is old news. Al Qaeda got a new leader, as everyone knew they would. Osama's death hasn't done anything but give people a minor victory to revel in. Death doesn't scare people in Al Qaeda it seems, and his death hasn't slowed down the organisation. The terrorists are probably laughing about it right now. I mean, nine and a half years for the most powerful nation in the world to kill one man?

This thread has become stale and moot. Also boring. A mod should lock it for great justice.

Yeah, Al-Qaeda got a new leader, but who here really thinks he's going to do the same as Osama did? It would be tough to not feel grief if you kill over 3,000  innocent people in one day. I doubt the new leader would have another attack commited at such a magnitude without feeling sorrow.

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#104 Jul 05, 2011 9:17 PM

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It's in their koran that killing people for Allah's cause is one of the best things one could do. [/paraphrasing]

So no, I don't think he felt grief.


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#105 Jul 05, 2011 9:45 PM

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It's in out bible too. I'm not a very religious person because that is something thy bothers me. In our bible too it says it's good to die in Jesus's name. Same thing for Muhammed. I'm not saying anything towards you Jazz it's jut that people Believe muslim's are all radical terrorists. That bothers me. It's an idiotic stereotype that's ruining our country. Their even trying to pass a law forbidding Sharia law in this country. I'm not for any religion controlling this country buy it seems that we are trying to forge a theocracy here. Which I believe will kill our country. Things like global warming were silly things to argue about when the answer is to simply clean our planet which I don't believe is a bad idea or gay marriage which should be legalized by law and religion can keep their rules. I'm just worried that people are only caring about themselves and not our country as a whole.

Now back on the subject, I do believe they feel something. I had a class studying pschology. People forgive themselves faster if someone else did it. The new al Qaeda leader won't strap a bomb on himself obviously. The man also believes he is doing a just cause because the Quran says so but I see them like the westboro baptist church here. A bunch of burkina abusing religion. It's hard to start a war but do it in the name of god and watch how many people follow you. I see them doing this just because they hate us. Their just using religion to gain followers to make their cause just.

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#106 Jul 05, 2011 10:05 PM

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Just wondering: who exactly is trying to pass a law forbidding Sharia law and in what way? Assuming the "our country" you're referring to is the US, there could never be a law telling others what to believe or forbidding them from following a religion. I don't want this to get too far down the topic of religion or politics, but a short explanation of what you're referring to would be nice.

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#107 Jul 05, 2011 10:16 PM

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That post you just made Stormy reminds me of how Hitler hated Jews. This is like Hitler all over again!

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#108 Jul 05, 2011 10:30 PM

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MaxwellTheScribblenaut wrote:

That post you just made Stormy reminds me of how Hitler hated Jews. This is like Hitler all over again!

actually that was must creepier hmm

in history we saw "childrens books" against them poasters, films, heck even classes saying things like "If a plain has 250 bomb and uses 20 to bomb a jewish town how many are left to blow up a jewish city" well things similer to tthat anyway, its just very disturbing hmm


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#109 Jul 05, 2011 10:36 PM

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Clock-la wrote:
MaxwellTheScribblenaut wrote:

That post you just made Stormy reminds me of how Hitler hated Jews. This is like Hitler all over again!

Actually that was much creepier hmm

In history we saw "childrens books" against them posters, films, heck even classes saying things like "If a plane has 250 bomb and uses 20 to bomb a jewish town how many are left to blow up a jewish city" well things similer to tthat anyway, its just very disturbing hmm

Dang, that IS creepy. Well, it was because Jewish people don't believe in Jesus, but I doubt Hitler believed in Jesus, or he wouldn't have done all that mass murder.

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#110 Jul 05, 2011 10:55 PM

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I know religion and politics are touchy subjects. So I apologize to anyone I may have offended. It seems I can't get an activation code for my account with my Ipod.

http:// colorlines .com/ archives /2011/02/13_states_introduce_bills_to_ban_sharia_law.html

I cut up the link in hopes it will work. I base all my information on facts so don't worry on asking I hope this helps. I can always look for more if you need it. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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#111 Jul 05, 2011 11:27 PM

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Don't worry about offending anyone. You didn't say anything that would cause anyone with an ounce of common sense to take offense. I only said I wanted to avoid religion and politics because they're technically banned subjects on this forum.

I skipped over the article a bit because it was kinda biased, but from looking at the sources it looks like all they're doing is prohibiting it from being used in court, where it shouldn't even belong in the first place. Why they would need to do this is anyone's guess; religious laws are never used in court anyway. I don't see how this is any kind of threat or what use those laws would be seeing as separation of church and state is already in place. =/

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#112 Jul 05, 2011 11:36 PM

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Separation of church and state is just referring to the fact that US government is not allowed to interfere with or establish a religion, and no religion can take over the government.  Regardless, politics and religion still have a huge effect on each other.


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#113 Jul 05, 2011 11:39 PM

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They can have an effect, yeah, because they are run by humans, many of whom have religions that influence the way they think. But I'm pretty sure directly applying any kind of religious law in federal courts would fall under the category of the government "establishing a religion."

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#114 Jul 05, 2011 11:41 PM

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I looked for recent evidence and if you want more about just states banning it here's a better one. I know it's biased but all information is and I'm just looming for some. Here's another.

This one is far older though I just looked for a more recent one. This one is pretty much what I mean.

http:// usgovinfo
.about.com/b/2008/09/22/bill-would-ban-sharia-law-and-advocates-from-us.htm

I'll reply more later I have work.

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#115 Jul 05, 2011 11:46 PM

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I think I got all the information I needed from the sources linked within the first article you linked to, but thanks. Like I said before, I don't see what's bad about it or how it's even useful at all.

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#116 Jul 05, 2011 11:47 PM

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Borrowing rules isn't establishing a religion, and I'm sure if one looks deep enough into history, one will find that most laws come from some religion.  It's just that they seem like common sense, so only a few try to look deeper.


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#117 Jul 05, 2011 11:51 PM

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This was never about "borrowing laws," though; it's about using the system of Sharia law in courts. Even if some laws are influenced by religion, no one in court pulls out a Bible to decide what someone's sentence should be, which is essentially what they're trying to stop here, or at least that's how I interpreted it.

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#118 Jul 06, 2011 12:07 AM

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JazzJackrabbit wrote:

Borrowing rules isn't establishing a religion, and I'm sure if one looks deep enough into history, one will find that most laws come from some religion.  It's just that they seem like common sense, so only a few try to look deeper.

Yeah, not many people care about that. They REALLY should. Religion has made the Earth what it is today. How Al-Qaeda was wanting to wreck it is probably one of their plans to world domination.

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#119 Jul 06, 2011 12:52 AM

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MaxwellTheScribblenaut wrote:
Clock-la wrote:
MaxwellTheScribblenaut wrote:

That post you just made Stormy reminds me of how Hitler hated Jews. This is like Hitler all over again!

Actually that was much creepier hmm

In history we saw "childrens books" against them posters, films, heck even classes saying things like "If a plane has 250 bomb and uses 20 to bomb a jewish town how many are left to blow up a jewish city" well things similer to tthat anyway, its just very disturbing hmm

Dang, that IS creepy. Well, it was because Jewish people don't believe in Jesus, but I doubt Hitler believed in Jesus, or he wouldn't have done all that mass murder.

Nope. Hitler didn't hate the Jews for their religion. He hated them because of three reasons:

1. They owned the banks, markets, and gold. He was crazily jealous against them. They usually only hired other Jews, so they received the jobs before anyone else did, and considering the state of Germany then, it was no wonder why people were easily corrupted to agree with him.
2. He believed that the Treaty of Versailles was helped created by Zionists to recreate middle eastern (and some european borders) to give the Jews Israel at the expense of Germany's wealth. I believe Eichmann was the one that convinced him of this?
3. He wanted to create the Aryan race (blonde hair, tall, blue eyes, straight nose, low-medium body build), and the Jewish usually resembled the complete opposite of that (they generally looked pretty similar due to the Jews only marrying within their communities).

Hitler did have reasons. He wasn't a psychopathic murderer. He was a sociopathic madman. Just like Osama, who also had reasons to kill.


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#120 Jul 06, 2011 1:52 PM

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Neotyguy40 wrote:
MaxwellTheScribblenaut wrote:
Clock-la wrote:

Actually that was much creepier hmm

In history we saw "childrens books" against them posters, films, heck even classes saying things like "If a plane has 250 bomb and uses 20 to bomb a jewish town how many are left to blow up a jewish city" well things similer to tthat anyway, its just very disturbing hmm

Dang, that IS creepy. Well, it was because Jewish people don't believe in Jesus, but I doubt Hitler believed in Jesus, or he wouldn't have done all that mass murder.

Nope. Hitler didn't hate the Jews for their religion. He hated them because of three reasons:

1. They owned the banks, markets, and gold. He was crazily jealous against them. They usually only hired other Jews, so they received the jobs before anyone else did, and considering the state of Germany then, it was no wonder why people were easily corrupted to agree with him.
2. He believed that the Treaty of Versailles was helped created by Zionists to recreate middle eastern (and some european borders) to give the Jews Israel at the expense of Germany's wealth. I believe Eichmann was the one that convinced him of this?
3. He wanted to create the Aryan race (blonde hair, tall, blue eyes, straight nose, low-medium body build), and the Jewish usually resembled the complete opposite of that (they generally looked pretty similar due to the Jews only marrying within their communities).

Hitler did have reasons. He wasn't a psychopathic murderer. He was a sociopathic madman. Just like Osama, who also had reasons to kill.

Osama having a REASON to kill? I agree with you, but for WHAT reason? Jackrabbit said that Al Qaeda thinks killing someone is a major accomplishment, but besides that, what did WE do to Osama to cause HIM to attack US?

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#121 Jul 06, 2011 2:35 PM

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Israel is perhaps our closest ally, and they are on what's known as the "promised land".  Islamic radicals and Jews/Christians both want the land.  We Americans get in the way, so we are a target.


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#122 Jul 06, 2011 3:01 PM

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Oh yeah, Israel. Because Israel followed you into Iraq and Afghanistan and every other hell-hole you've gone to in the last ten years. And Israel is now being laughed at by all the other countries nearby because of all the sucking up. And Israel keeps losing the Eurovision song contest because it hangs out with the USA too much. And Israel was used as a huge military base whenever the USA felt like it.

Yeah, Israel is like your most important ally.


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#123 Jul 06, 2011 3:49 PM

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Aceedwin wrote:

Oh yeah, Israel. Because Israel followed you into Iraq and Afghanistan and every other hell-hole you've gone to in the last ten years. And Israel is now being laughed at by all the other countries nearby because of all the sucking up. And Israel keeps losing the Eurovision song contest because it hangs out with the USA too much. And Israel was used as a huge military base whenever the USA felt like it.

Yeah, Israel is like your most important ally.

Basically you are saying Israel is our (female dog)?

Because that is so... True...

Aceedwin wrote:

Osama having a REASON to kill? I agree with you, but for WHAT reason? Jackrabbit said that Al Qaeda thinks killing someone is a major accomplishment, but besides that, what did WE do to Osama to cause HIM to attack US?

It's not just the US they dislike. It is every Western country in the world. That is most of Europe too. They dislike how we gave Israel to the Jews. That place is the center of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Most of Islam didn't like that decision, and a few formed terrorist groups for that reason.


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#124 Jul 06, 2011 3:55 PM

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Neotyguy40 wrote:
Aceedwin wrote:

Oh yeah, Israel. Because Israel followed you into Iraq and Afghanistan and every other hell-hole you've gone to in the last ten years. And Israel is now being laughed at by all the other countries nearby because of all the sucking up. And Israel keeps losing the Eurovision song contest because it hangs out with the USA too much. And Israel was used as a huge military base whenever the USA felt like it.

Yeah, Israel is like your most important ally.

Basically you are saying Israel is our (female dog)?

Because that is so... True...

I really, really hope you're just trying to screw with me. I'm certain you can't be that ignorant of current affairs. Almost certain.

Neotyguy40 wrote:
Aceedwin wrote:

Osama having a REASON to kill? I agree with you, but for WHAT reason? Jackrabbit said that Al Qaeda thinks killing someone is a major accomplishment, but besides that, what did WE do to Osama to cause HIM to attack US?

It's not just the US they dislike. It is every Western country in the world. That is most of Europe too. They dislike how we gave Israel to the Jews. That place is the center of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Most of Islam didn't like that decision, and a few formed terrorist groups for that reason.

Also, not my quote. I'm not that flamboyant with the shift key.


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#125 Jul 06, 2011 3:59 PM

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I actually can't believe we brought this topic back. This is just stupid.


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