Also, as she's already said, according to Christianity (yes, and it is actually in the Bible, I believe) being gay doesn't make you a sinner, but having gay relationships does. There's a difference. Just thought I'd clear that up.

Now if you don't mind, I'd rather not be bashed either, so I'll just leave it at that. Make what you want of it.

Just because most Christians force their beliefs on people doesn't mean I'm that kind of person. I was simply entering in my beliefs for the conversation, I didn't expect anyone to have the gall to actually attack me for it. I'm mature enough not to attack you back, thank goodness.

Take this as you will, but I'll be praying for you. I'm done. Goodnight.

thats nice, so does your friend know that you believe theyre evil and are going to go to hell where theyll be tortured for all eternity all because of the way they were born which funnily enough according to you is gods fault (since he did create us)

im well aware of how to debate in a civil manner, but the views you were encouraging are ignorant, there is no other word for it, we KNOW people are born homosexual, we KNOW they can't just flick a switch and be heterosexual again, and yet you think, not because of any logical reasoning, but rather because an old book says so, that they are "sinners"

i wouldnt know, im agnostic, you can believe in god if you want, you could believe bananas rain from the sky every second tuesday, but what i am sick to death of is religion that preaches prejudice, you seem to think it does no harm as long as youre all nice to their face and crap

why do you think homosexuals get the crap beaten out of them, why are their rights as couples so few compared to a man and a woman, regardless of whether the 2 men love each other and the man and woman are just in it for the money

your christian religion weedles its way into our governments, forcing its beliefs on everyone, and you still have the stupidity to say thats its alright because "you" dont act on it, then go on to say its hard to be a christian

try growing up as a homosexual, now give it a go in a christian family, have everyone you love reject you for something you cant help but be, all because of someones interpretation of the *bleep*ing bible

how is it not natural... the only way it could be unatural is if it only happened by choice, which we KNOW it doesnt, especially since there are no benefits to choosing to be gay, all you get is ridicule, violence and prejudice

*bleep*, if you were defending your god i wouldnt have a problem, what you are defending is a man made rule of your religion

i wish you had responded to the main point of my other post, would you, or would you not believe black people were going to hell if it was written in the bible, id really like to know

you believe in an outdated belief, we KNOW things now which contradict your bible and yet you are still sitting their desperately trying to come up with pitiful excuses

that is what atheists hate about religions, and thats what i hate about organised religions, you dont know when to change, some atheists are as bad, they refuse to believe anything other than what theyve been taught, but for the most part, non-religious people understand that if a new FACT arises, its incredibly ignorant to ignore it, just because it contradicts your religion

there are plenty of christians out there who have managed to realise that you dont have to take everything word for word, there is no logical reason why gays should go to hell, you could tell that to gods face and he'd have to agree, because there is no argument for it, you cant create something a certain way and blame it for being that way, thats hypocrisy and ignorance

and for the love of a god that is fair and just i wish you people could use you heads and figure this out

*Everybody claps their hands*

The Goths at my school usually hang out away from everyone else but they stay within their own group. Some Goths are good company and don't give me a hard time. Kind of like this forum.

Not all of you has given me a hard time but had a question here or there but not that much of a big deal. One of my friends was goth and was the one who helped me begin to understand Goths better which was last year and then i went goth this year because i realized no matter what i did there would be a lot of people against me.

Sure there was the technology association that i could hang out with but there was two of them that i annoyed just like you but unlike them you have let the past go and i have as well. This year was the year that i went goth. Christian goth that is. So my motto is "let the world fall apart while i stay true to my own belief and live with a stable mind.

im sure some goths are, but being a goth doesnt mean youre a satanist

also, im sorry you live in such a bad place, i personally live somewhere in which youre going to be much more readily accepted for being christian than any other religion (though in saying that all religions are accepted as far as i can tell)

to be honest most of the western world is like that, christianity is more widely accepted than any other religions, including atheism and agnosticism

it sucks that youve had to grow up in a place that clearly isnt as understanding, but get through the next few years and youll be able to leave

also i have a friend who is both christian (by name and religion lol) and "emo" not "ooooh woe is me slash my wrists emo" he just dresses in that way

You think that your the only one that is giving me a hard time and tell me to let it go. My school won't let it go. I need some where to ventilate. I come here and all you guys can think of doing is making it hard for me. I cant even pray without wondering what I look like. I usually write out my prayers but now I just cant seem to get the pen to move.

For all of you who are wondering, I was born in Missouri and was raised to speak English so the only thing that I am having trouble with is typing. Free writing is not that easy on here and I don't look for errors except for the ones that the spell check picks up. Then I cut and paste it on the forum.

i still have nothing against you adam, i very much disagree with your opinions and in some cases your actions, but some of the biggest fights ive had have been with my own mother, doesnt mean i dont love her

thats not to say i love you... just realise that me disagreeing and arguing with you do not indicate any hatred or contempt for you

to be honest id be more likely to not argue with you if i didnt respect you at all

Atresac wrote:

FUN FACT: Church of Satan doesn't believe in Satan.

GO FIGURE?

Hmm, I don't know. The Church of Satan is dedicated to the acceptance of humankind's physical/bodily self, and self-preservation. But I'm not sure where the nameword 'Satan' comes into it.
Relating to that religion, how am I meant to interpret this 'Satanic rule of the Earth'?

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him

References: link 1 and link 2

'Destroying' someone seems a little extreme, just because he/she bothered you repeatedly, lol.

(note: I'm not bashing the Church of Satan, I'm just wondering what that means).

I've actually read the Satanic Bible (interesting read actually) and the whole "Satan" thing come into play because they *say* it's like the opposite of christianity.  The equivalent of the 10 commandments are all reversals of common christian rules like "love to those who deserve it, don't waste it on ingrates" and "vengeance instead of turning the other cheek" etc.  The author kind of argues that modern organized religions tend to demonize man in its most natural form, turning all of our common instincts and desires into a bad thing.  Satanism embraces pretty much "doing what feels good (as long as you don't hurt anybody)".

And honestly I'm just as confused as you are with that one.  I've seen it before and the only way I can interpret it to follow with the rest of what he says is that destroy is meant in the sense that people will use like "oh that guy said this, i'm gonna destroy him".

FUN FACT: Church of Satan doesn't believe in Satan.

GO FIGURE?

Hmm, I don't know. The Church of Satan is dedicated to the acceptance of humankind's physical/bodily self, and self-preservation. But I'm not sure where the nameword 'Satan' comes into it.
Relating to that religion, how am I meant to interpret this 'Satanic rule of the Earth'?

References: link 1 and link 2

'Destroying' someone seems a little extreme, just because he/she bothered you repeatedly, lol.

(note: I'm not bashing the Church of Satan, I'm just wondering what that means).

You guys sound like a tabloid newspaper or something.  I have no idea what's going on here but all I can say is something like "hey guys sex is kind of meant to be a private thing let's not discuss two people having it/wanting to have it too much here (unless the sexual act in question is illegal and meant to arouse some form of discussion based on the sexual laws in question [lol, arouse])."

So yeah... back to religion.

FUN FACT: Church of Satan doesn't believe in Satan.

GO FIGURE?

I don't know why you're making such a big deal.

I have some feeling for someone online.  I shouldn't, I know, but it's there. But I don't need to announce it to the world and make a huge deal out of it.

It's over. Just drop the subject of the incident between the two.

Amen to this post. All six lines of it. Thank you, oh great Aicebot. =3

This isn't even what the topic is about anyway....

Peace treaty? With Fletch?

/me is killing himself laughing

A Guy, you make me laugh, i like that 

id usually post here about how Adam's wrong

maybe id throw a quote or 2 in there like this

and respond as if the poster is an idiot, for example

why dont you try reading you clod, nobody was punishing them or berrating them for being in a "boyfriend/girlfriend" relationship, however their actions have proven quite clearly that they are in no way ready for a relationship (though it also shows that they think they are)

then another quote like

to which i directly insult the poster by calling him for example, an ignorant moron

then id state reasons along the lines of, it is not normal for 2 people 3 years below the Australian age of consent (16 which is still kinda ridiculous) to be talking about having sex

if this had been a real life relationship rather than an internet relationship, what would have been there to stop them "practicing what they preach" to put it... kinda nicely i guess

then id go on to talk about all the different points that have been made, and how im not the only one who saw your posts as excusing the behaviour of the individualls in question, and saw little to no, evidence of it being a thread that was actually about an artwork

which by the way i complimented but i guess its easy to only pick out the bad posts made by people (i do it all the time)

anyway... i would post all of that, but that would be silly, since youre supposedly ignoring me and theres no way in hell (or any other really bad place) that im signing a "peace treaty" which not only sounds like the most childish concept ive heard of in a while, but would also likely require me to not comment on any post you make that i disagree with

INK & NIBS

Aceibo is at work at getting everything ready. Assuming he has read read the post i made above yours. Everybody wins or is that a fantasy that the world has written. Good old mother earth has lent her hand in our confused minds that we call personality.

/me is killing himself laughing