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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Do you believe in Global Warming?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well the point there is that the media is easily swayed by groups and individuals who are very vocal about what they want to get across. In this case, one of the most prominent methods of trying to undermine the whole global warming situation is to question on the accuracy and certainty of scientific data and findings on this issue. I&#039;ve also noticed that opponents of the global warming belief in this thread used this kind of reasoning as well. &quot;How can we be certain this proves anything&quot;, etc.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=234458#p234458</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it is quite obvious that the media is biased about global warming, especially our ABC.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I was just watching a documentary on how some notably influential people got the Bush administration and a lot of the media suddenly to undermine the whole global warming situation. Sounds like ratchet would also hop onto the same boat.<br />Also, the documentary stated something to the effect that &quot;ignoring the global warming crisis would be as costly as WW1, WW2, and the Great Depression combined.&quot; <br />The documentary later interviewed a whole bunch of people who used to work for the Bush administration, one of them who later got a high-position job at Exxon (you can probably tell what he would believe in).</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Do you believe in Global Warming?]]></title>
			<link>https://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=234139#p234139</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>In May last year, The Sydney Morning Herald breathlessly reported that climate change had reduced the Southern Ocean&#039;s ability to soak up carbon dioxide, claiming that as a result global warming would accelerate even faster than previously thought.</p><p>The story was picked up and repeated in a number of different journals around the region.</p><p>But this week the CSIRO suggested the exact opposite. &quot;The new study suggests that Southern Ocean currents, and therefore the Southern Ocean&#039;s ability to soak up carbon dioxide, have not changed in recent decades,&quot; it said. This time the story got no coverage in the SMH, and was run on the ABC&#039;s website as evidence the Southern Ocean was adapting to climate change.</p><p>CSIRO oceanographer Stuart Rintoul, a co-author of the study, said it did not disprove global warming and he did not believe its lack of an alarmist tone was responsible for the poor coverage.</p><p>But the story is being pointed out as an example of media bias on global warming. Critics argue that the ABC and the Fairfax media are the worst offenders.</p><p>ABC board member Keith Windschuttle said yesterday the national broadcaster was in breach of its charter to provide a diversity of views. &quot;The ABC and the Fairfax press rarely provide an opportunity for global warming sceptics to put their view,&quot; Mr Windschuttle said. &quot;The science is not settled.</p><p>&quot;We are seeing an increasing number of people with impeccable scientific backgrounds questioning part or whole of the story. I don&#039;t believe the ABC has been reflecting the genuine diversity of the debate. Under its own act, the ABC is required to produce a diversity of views.&quot;</p><p>Bob Carter of James Cook University, one of the world&#039;s best-known climate change sceptics, said there was no doubt Windschuttle was correct.</p><p>&quot;With very few exceptions, press reporters commenting on global warming are either ignorant of the science matters involved, or wilfully determined to propagate warming hysteria because that fits their personal world view, or are under editorial direction to focus the story around the alarmist headline grab -- and often all three,&quot; Professor Carter said.</p><p>National Climate Centre former head William Kininmonth said coverage of global warming had been hysterical and was getting worse, with a large public relations effort inundating the media with information from the alarmist side.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hey! I came third, and won a $20 EB games gift Voucher!<br />I probably came third cause my speech was way too long and i had to cut alot out before and during the speech.<br />But the funny thing was that the guy who came first was actually talking about climate change and supporting it. Even though he got PWNED because i disproved his points, he still won because of &quot;the way he presented it&quot;<br />He probably only won because he&#039;s a cute year 7 asian kid with a cute voice and a left wing speech topic. <br />Owell, i&#039;m happy it&#039;s over, and I can get off this subject!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=232863#p232863</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>the speech is on thursday, i just wrote it up. it&#039;s like 4 pages long. it will probably be too long</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=232845#p232845</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Lol, I like how adamant you are in making your stand. Anyways, I could go on, but really, the subject&#039;s been kind of exhausted by now.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=232843#p232843</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I guess even if global warming isn&#039;t real (which it isn&#039;t), reducing Carbon Emissions is a win win situation. This will make sure nothing drastic will happen (which it wont) to the environment. this will also bring countries closer together, helping each other stop &quot;global warming.&quot; Not to mention, it creates alot of stories and jobs for people including journalists, beurocrats, the media and others. more jobs, more money in the economy and the amount of money spent on ad campaigns and stuff like beurocrats will be balanced out.</p><p>If Global warming is a scam (which it is) it&#039;s a *bleep* good one, and you can see why they would do it</p><p>And looked at that site, bmah, and most of those things are defiently not the things i&#039;ve said against global warming<br />1. Well, if the earth warmed up normally, no it wouldn&#039;t have any major concequences, of cource if the earth warmed up by 10 degrees it would have serious concequences, but there is no proof that this is going to happen, so this is just really a trick question<br />2.Apparently, the reasearch and petition by the oism is a fake, but the graphs and documents on the site is right, so even if the signiatures are real or not, it makes up a much more convincing argument than any of the IPCC&#039;s documents.<br />3. The &quot;hockey stick&quot; graph there has since been proven wrong and there has been 5 seperate occasions in the last 3000 years where it has been warmer than before. Also notice that the grey areas and some of the blue areas have not been taken into account.<br />4. it wont be caused by humans anyway, so there&#039;s nothing we can do<br />5. Eh, i never said that the planet being warmer would be &quot;nice&quot; anyway<br />6. I never said this either, just that some of the graphs are wrong<br />7. It is not, and C)2 has been proven to come AFTER Temperature not before or &quot;causing&quot; temperature<br />8. I never said this, i do believe the earth is warming up, just that it&#039;s not caused by humans<br />9. Some evidence says solar, some not. But there are more things that cause temperature difference than the sun<br />10. This might be true, but yes, people ARE making money off this, not to mention exadurating it will get people more scared and will hence support it more.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=232073#p232073</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I CAN&#039;T provide ideas, hence why I was asking... I really don&#039;t know much about this subject... But I am looking into it more. I realize 8 years isn&#039;t a long time, nor is two degrees a big temperature change, but it does go against global warming. And it seems to me pretty much all of the information people have about global warming is scarce. So it can neither be 100% proven or denied. It&#039;s one of those things that has to be taken into consideration for people who &quot;believe&quot; it will happen. And not everyone is going to believe it. And we shouldn&#039;t leave the next generation to solve our screw ups. Nor can we expect them to be more responsible about the environment when we as a generation can&#039;t even handle it. It&#039;s good what your saying about getting attitudes to change, and I agree there needs to be a big attitude adjustment.. but it still is not ever going to get everyone agreeing.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Do you believe in Global Warming?]]></title>
			<link>https://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=231903#p231903</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Can&#039;t comment about the air strip thing specifically, because I don&#039;t know anything about that. I do know that there are weather stations all around the world that measure temperature - given data over a long time, that&#039;s a fine way of making a prediction. Also, there are several ways of measuring temperature, airplanes being one of them. There are more common ways of taking measurement of the weather, such as radiosondes (lifted by weather balloons), satellites from space, radars on weather stations, etc. I think your air strip example is a pretty specific method and not of common usage, which is my guess. And 8 years is way too short of a time frame to use as a reliable indication of climate trend. That&#039;s short-term for sure.</p><p>Sustainable development is an ongoing thing, and it&#039;s supposed to help change our attitudes about the environment. I don&#039;t know to what extent the damage we&#039;ve done to the environment can be reversed, so don&#039;t expect a definite way to &quot;solve&quot; the problem. Just having the future generations be more responsible is the best way to be prepared. Care to provide any other ideas?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=231692#p231692</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s great, but that doesn&#039;t exactly solve the problem, nor help us prepair for it. And I just found out today some things about global warming, such as that the average temperature has gone down 2 degrees in the last 8 years. And when the scientist, or whatever, take their weather estimations trying to predict global warming, they get their sources from air strips!!! Okay, what happens when a plane goes up? Friction, and friction is hot... not to mention that pavement retains alot of heat. So that&#039;s not a reliable source of information. And where I get mine is.. It&#039;s not the net either.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=231418#p231418</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The main way of taking precaution is to advocate sustainable development, which is, according to the Brundtland Commission, &quot;Development that meets the need of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs.&quot; This is obviously a really general statement that can have different meanings depending on who you&#039;re talking to (an ecologist, economist, etc.). However, reaching sustainable development is a goal that would be a win-win situation, so there&#039;s nothing to lose from trying to achieve this.</p><p>You can&#039;t make everyone change their attitude right away, so the government would have to incorporate some environmental tactics in their policies. For example, if the government decided to raise the price of fruits by taxing imports, you&#039;d have to pay more, but the government can compromise this by reducing your income taxes. In other words, you don&#039;t theoretically gain or lose money, but the usage of tax money is &quot;shifted&quot; towards a more environmentally-friendly way. In this case, you&#039;re fully accounting for the cost of the fruits you buy (e.g. harvesting fruit, using gas for transportation of fruit to the markets, etc.). This is just one example of the many ways the government can try to change attitudes. There&#039;s a lot of psychology studies into making the right government policies. The change is slow, but possible.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=231076#p231076</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I know I said I wasn&#039;t gonna pursue this, but what precautionaries exactly would you take against &quot;global warming&quot; (climate change...)? It&#039;s good to recycle, and be more environmentally friendly, but even so, you can&#039;t make the whole world do it... So we sit here debating the point, yet what can we change if it truly were to happen? How could we keep safe? If you believe this is going to happen based on your &quot;proof&quot; what would you do? If it is something that needs to be taken seriously...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=231049#p231049</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I believe in climate change, rather than global warming. I think the world’s weather will be more erratic, extreme and unpredictable in addition to rising temperatures, rather than just rising temperatures... and I think that humans are contributing to it, regardless of whether nature is also helping or not. There is natural variation in the Earth’s weather and this could be a factor in the changing climate, but I believe human-induced climate change is also contributing significantly.<br />Evidence of changing climate and rising temperatures includes the melting of large glaciers...<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.coasttocoastam.com/timages/page/glacier_bay012905.jpg" alt="glacier_bay012905.jpg" /></span> (more before/after pics <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2004/12/17/MNGARADH401.DTL&amp;o=0" rel="nofollow">here.</a>)</p><p>...and the recent opening of the northwest passage, in the Arctic ocean just north of Canada (<a href="http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMYTC13J6F_index_0.html" rel="nofollow">link</a> and <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6995999.stm" rel="nofollow">link</a>).</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>bmah wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Yeah, I&#039;d stick with the precautionary principle.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I agree, better safe than sorry, like what you and Phoenix_Flyer said. And even if it turns out humans aren’t causing the climate to change or warm up, there are other benefits to be reaped from trying to reduce our emissions/pollution levels and having a more environmentally-friendly lifestyle... like cleaner air and money savings and less pressure on natural resources and stuff.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Fletch_Talon wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>just something i heard secondhand, but wasnt there something in that inconveniant truth documentary about how the scientists supposedly doing research which disproves global warming are funded by petrol companies?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Of course. Science can be used to justify or &#039;prove&#039; anything. It is far from being a neutral field free from political or corporate influence.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>just something i heard secondhand, but wasnt there something in that inconveniant truth documentary about how the scientists supposedly doing research which disproves global warming are funded by petrol companies?</p><p>if so, id take the word of a one eyed greenie over someone with an obvious bias</p><p>of course even if thats not true lets consider this</p><p>if youre in an office building and someone runs into the room screaming that the building is on fire, do you sit there and tell them that theres really no evidence for it? or do you take their word for it and get out of there?</p><p>believing in global warming and doing something about it can only yield good results, a healthier environment and stopping what is potentially a world damaging event</p><p>PS. for the record, humans are to blame for most crap that happens in the world, to say otherwise is somewhat ridiculous, it will pretty muchalways come down to hunting/deforestation/polution</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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