To them there is always a rush as long as their is a profit to be made from it. You are correct that "some" series have been resurected years later....in movies and such.

With the Spyro games however...I don't think they would have been able to successfully revive it like they wanted to. They wanted to try something different..and they did....now the effects are felt...was the experiment a success or not...

Personally now that I look at it all they have managed to do is divide the fanbase pretty much....and it's gonna be hard for them to produce anything that will ever be considered as good as the first.

As for the things on their foreheads...heck you could say that for just about anything developed nowadays...you're gonna blame them either way because that's just how you feel about it. All I know is that WE personally were not there...so WE will never know how they really felt about it.

It's over and done with now...the series is pretty much divided to the point that we will always be contradicting each other. All I know is that finding a developer that will care enough to really really put effort into the game is gonna be hard.....so I will always give credit to those who at least make the attempt.

Disappointing yes....but they did spend 4 to 5 years trying to make it work...and that's more effort then most would bother putting into it.

I agree, I've seen alot of games with great Ideas sink too the bottom (like Dungeon Keeper series)

With the Spyro games however...I don't think they would have been able to successfully revive it like they wanted to. They wanted to try something different..and they did....now the effects are felt...was the experiment a success or not...

Personally now that I look at it all they have managed to do is divide the fanbase pretty much....and it's gonna be hard for them to produce anything that will ever be considered as good as the first.

As for the things on their foreheads...heck you could say that for just about anything developed nowadays...you're gonna blame them either way because that's just how you feel about it. All I know is that WE personally were not there...so WE will never know how they really felt about it.

It's over and done with now...the series is pretty much divided to the point that we will always be contradicting each other. All I know is that finding a developer that will care enough to really really put effort into the game is gonna be hard.....so I will always give credit to those who at least make the attempt.

Disappointing yes....but they did spend 4 to 5 years trying to make it work...and that's more effort then most would bother putting into it.

Well how are we suppose to know that they wanted the story to be just like others. I understand completely what you are saying...but YOU did not take part in developing the game.

But it's written right on their foreheads because they know that the things they imitated exist. They mentioned some of the things that they were "inspired" by and then the game was very similar to those things beyond an inspiration.

Please note that some people don't necessarily consider this a good thing. Also, they could have kept it dead for a long time and if someone was interested enough, it could have possibly been picked up years later. It rarely happens, but it does happen because there is no such thing as a "dead series." As you can see, old cartoons are picked up for movies loads of years later. I don't see what's the big rush.

The one thing that worked for the old series was the fact that before them nobody ever really did something that involved a dragon like that...but the plot's were pretty simple...if any plot at all...most of it was the same over and over....Some bad guy shows up....fight your way to him....beat him....the end.......the LOS series did the same thing except it spanned 3 different games...with Malefor being the final target in mind.

You can't make something without some elements of it being similer to something out there...then again I don't know why we're still arguing over this. The topic was on the review mentioned before...and just how acurate it is to us gamers..the cliche issue should be another catagory.

Kazoobie64 wrote:

CynderRules wrote:

okay, I'm getting sick of people complaining about the cliches. The TLoS games follow the Heroic Quest archetype. As well as thousands, most possibly millions of other books/movies/games.

There is not a single book/movie/game out there today that doesn't have cliches. Get over it.

So of course this logic means that everything that uses it is a masterpiece that's not dull, poorly researched and tired-out at all. Not only that, but because everyone does it, it's perfectly ok that another did it too!

no, all I'm saying is that it IS present. And that even though the story could have had improvement, people are avoiding it like the plague just because it has cliches in it!

I don't think that's necessarily the reason. There could be several more logical explanations to why everyone doesn't absolutely love TLoS.

Maybe they don't like the gameplay. Lots of people complained about the gameplay, including people who love the story.

Maybe they didn't care that the story was cliche, but they did care that it was unbearably predictable.

CynderRules wrote:

okay, I'm getting sick of people complaining about the cliches. The TLoS games follow the Heroic Quest archetype. As well as thousands, most possibly millions of other books/movies/games.

There is not a single book/movie/game out there today that doesn't have cliches. Get over it.

So of course this logic means that everything that uses it is a masterpiece that's not dull, poorly researched and tired-out at all. Not only that, but because everyone does it, it's perfectly ok that another did it too!

no, all I'm saying is that it IS present. And that even though the story could have had improvement, people are avoiding it like the plague just because it has cliches in it!

okay, I'm getting sick of people complaining about the cliches. The TLoS games follow the Heroic Quest archetype. As well as thousands, most possibly millions of other books/movies/games.

There is not a single book/movie/game out there today that doesn't have cliches. Get over it.

Yeah, but the problem is when it becomes so cliche that literally everyone on the fansites can predict the so-called "plot twists" and the ending.

This game was clearly rushed...and by the way it looks  you are correct....I get the feeling that as a whole they did not truly care for the overall context and face of the franchise. This has been a problem ever since the original Spyro series came to a close. Ever since Insomniac let go of the series things have not gone so well. Krome picked up the idea and released a couple of games that introduced the new formula of using the story to drive the gameplay...and that does work for some players...but not all who truly remember Spyro as what it once was.

EL picked up this project right after Krome finished with TEN...all of two and half years ago....so this was not a real in depth project...nor were the two games before....to make something truly creative and mind blowing graphics wise and story wise would take years of planning. I'm not sure how long the original game took to develop...but sequals came pretty quickly after it's success....with a formula that worked in a very new consul generation.

Perhaps they didn't care about the overall quality of the character or the series as a whole....but I'm pretty sure that some of them did. Chris was part of the story writting and actor direction...both of which could have been done much much better...so I blame him heavily for the quality of story..even though the story wasn't all that bad.

Very repetative in some areas? Yes it was....but they kept the series running when it could have fallen right off the map. The good thing right now is that no Spyro games are being planned for anytime soon...so perhaps this go they will work on the overall quality that the series so desperatly needs.....a developer that truly cares about the pride of the franchise....but thanks go out for the attempts by Krome and EL these last three years.

Anyway, this is getting a bit off topic, but the point is, I know some people will make similarities in their works without their own knowledge. I've done it too, often with characters, which cause me to re-design them over and over again until the critics approve on that aspect. Sometimes it happens because you are influenced by another work and it starts to show way too blatantly, which is something that commonly needs fixing. However, these things are of a different mind, and the people look to fix them and put effort into their work. Sometimes I can't be too harsh on things when they first start out because they can gradually evolve to fix their mistakes, but when someone deliberately KNOWS their story is too similar to another and don't make an effort to be original, it really grates on my nerves. Especially when they use their budget to hire celebrity voice acting to glorify their game. But I suppose this was all for the money and not the passion anyway so I suppose I should just shake my head like with everything else and go "oh, society."

Some things are overused....it's hard to get games that are not repetative now..

okay, I'm getting sick of people complaining about the cliches. The TLoS games follow the Heroic Quest archetype. As well as thousands, most possibly millions of other books/movies/games.

There is not a single book/movie/game out there today that doesn't have cliches. Get over it.

So of course this logic means that everything that uses it is a masterpiece that's not dull, poorly researched and tired-out at all. Not only that, but because everyone does it, it's perfectly ok that another did it too!