A Guy wrote:

Atresac wrote:

No, but are you insisting we stoop to the same level?

It's done to stop the person from committing any future murders while discouraging some would-be murderers from doing the same. I don't call that stooping to the same level.

prison stops future murders just as well.  And you don't seem to understand that it doesn't discourage anything: people who are willing to murder don't reason the same way you and I do.  They don't have that voice telling something is bad.

What makes you think that these people won't just murder fellow prisoners? Murder in prisons isn't unheard of. Also, what will stop these people from murdering someone else when they get out?

Also, if a murderer knows that he is going to die if the police catch him and he knows that he isn't very capable of avoiding them, then said murderer will more likely be less willing to kill someone else.

Atresac wrote:

A Guy wrote:

Did that murderer have any right to decide what victim should die?

No, but are you insisting we stoop to the same level?

It's done to stop the person from committing any future murders while discouraging some would-be murderers from doing the same. I don't call that stooping to the same level.

prison stops future murders just as well.  And you don't seem to understand that it doesn't discourage anything: people who are willing to murder don't reason the same way you and I do.  They don't have that voice telling something is bad.

A Guy wrote:

Atresac wrote:

And like I said, we as humans have no right to decide who is allowed to live or who is allowed to die.

Did that murderer have any right to decide what victim should die?

No, but are you insisting we stoop to the same level?

It's done to stop the person from committing any future murders while discouraging some would-be murderers from doing the same. I don't call that stooping to the same level.

Atresac wrote:

And like I said, we as humans have no right to decide who is allowed to live or who is allowed to die.

Did that murderer have any right to decide what victim should die?

No, but are you insisting we stoop to the same level?

But that discussion is for another time and place. If you want to discuss it free of the site's censors, you can get to me via MSN.

nothing to discuss, i hate organised religion more than anybody here, but even i wont blame them for all the worlds problems, hell, ill even admit they do some good

And like I said, we as humans have no right to decide who is allowed to live or who is allowed to die.

Did that murderer have any right to decide what victim should die?

Atresac wrote:

Sorry, I was out and about yesterday (read: busy playing Crazy Taxi) and never managed to get on here.

Anyways, I'm glad there's at least some mutual agreement here.  But today I've spent all my energy debating on another forum with someone arguing that religion is evil and causes all the horrible things in the world, so my sanity and willingness to form sentences has just south of worn out, so let's just agree to disagree.

fair enough... i understand if you dont wanna say, but what side of the religion is evil argument were you on >_>

Though I'm a pretty devout atheist, I had to argue in defense of religion as a whole.  Though pleanty of bad things have started fueled by religion, it's our own humanity that causes us to do bad things, if religion didn't exist we'd pretty much just find another reason.

But that discussion is for another time and place.  If you want to discuss it free of the site's censors, you can get to me via MSN.

Sorry, I was out and about yesterday (read: busy playing Crazy Taxi) and never managed to get on here.

Anyways, I'm glad there's at least some mutual agreement here.  But today I've spent all my energy debating on another forum with someone arguing that religion is evil and causes all the horrible things in the world, so my sanity and willingness to form sentences has just south of worn out, so let's just agree to disagree.

fair enough... i understand if you dont wanna say, but what side of the religion is evil argument were you on >_>

Anyways, I'm glad there's at least some mutual agreement here.  But today I've spent all my energy debating on another forum with someone arguing that religion is evil and causes all the horrible things in the world, so my sanity and willingness to form sentences has just south of worn out, so let's just agree to disagree.

Also: 4chan is down so I can't even get any sufficient lulz for today.

I haven't gotten any sleep today yet, so I'm in no mental condition to continue with this debate.  I'll type a response when I wake up.

i wanted to let you know before you do respond that youve actually managed to sway me somewhat, if the prison system gets stricter then there is no need for the death penalty, life in a prison cell is as bad if not worse than death (or it could be if they fix the system)

however i remain steadfast on castration for sexual offenders, at least paedophiles if not rapists as well