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Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (A Guy) — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:54:53 +0000

Zekira Drake wrote:

A Guy wrote:
Shadow Punch is a physical move
But Gengar's Shadow Ball is stronger than Banette's Shadow Punch. And Wobbuffet has equal Defense and Sp. Defense.
Gengar has base 130 Sp. Atk, while Banette has only base 115 Atk. Giratina only gets 100 base Atk. That's why the level of calculation is kept at the highest possible -- Gengar's Shadow Ball.

So you're saying you shouldn't resort to physical attacks just because you can use a more damaging special attack?

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (Zekira Drake) — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:23:04 +0000

Speaking of Darkrai, anyone have a Timid natured Darkrai? I'm going to use it in an ubers match. I don't care if its UT or not, as long as it is not level 100. My FC is in my trainer card at the bottom. Willing to trade 10Aniv Celebi for it.

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (pur) — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:20:17 +0000

UK Pokemon event for those who aren't too busy arguing to notice.

http://www.woolworths.co.uk/web/jsp/bro … cat1006754

It's giving out Darkrai.

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (Zekira Drake) — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:59:36 +0000

A Guy wrote:

Shadow Punch is a physical move

But Gengar's Shadow Ball is stronger than Banette's Shadow Punch. And Wobbuffet has equal Defense and Sp. Defense.

Gengar has base 130 Sp. Atk, while Banette has only base 115 Atk. Giratina only gets 100 base Atk. That's why the level of calculation is kept at the highest possible -- Gengar's Shadow Ball.

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (A Guy) — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:43:07 +0000

Page stretching FTW?

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (SavageNymph) — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:34:33 +0000

I love pokemon!!Its so creative <3 and sometimes I like to create my own pokemon. Duskull,Gardavoir,Misdreavus,Darkrai,Flygon,Metagross,Blaziken,Sceptile,Empoleon,Infernape,lopunny,Creselia,Regice,Registeel,Regigas,Latios,Jarachi,Celebi,Frostlass,Deoxys,Swecune,Scarmory,Wishcash,Leafeon,Beautifly,Sableye,banette,solrock,Ludicolo and umbreon are the most creative pokemon and are my favorite.(My opinion).

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (A Guy) — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:27:00 +0000

Shadow Punch is a physical move

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (Zekira Drake) — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 05:41:45 +0000

Which Wobbuffet would clearly survive in without a boost. Let's review back to a usual Wobbuffet build: 252 EVs in both Def and Sp. Def, with one of them being boosted by nature -- let's assume Sp. Def was boosted.

We will also get the most poweful Ghost-attacker there is, namely Gengar. If it's running a +Sp.Attack nature, with 252 EVs in Atk...

...and launches a Shadow Ball...

Now, at level 100, the minimum HP of a Wobbuffet is 490. It will fail to OHKO. Of course, if Wobbuffet gets sleeped in, it freely switches out. But that won't be a case, since Wobbuffets pack Safeguard.

Wobbuffet will then Mirror Coat back for 600 damage OHKO. If Wobbuffet had Leftovers, then it can take another beating from something a tad weaker than Gengar.

But considering the details, Gengars always go for Timid nature, which is not a +Sp. Atk build. Even if it did get a +Sp. Atk nature, Wobbuffet can't be KOed, then.

Despite its tiny movepool, a lot can be said about Wobbuffet. It jumped straight into the Ubers tier in the Advance generation mainly because of its unique ability, which utterly shatters the concept of switching and countering. Nintendo changed Shadow Tag around in D/P so that two PokÃ©mon with this same ability will be able to switch if both are sent out. This means the dreaded scenario of two Wobbuffet facing each other will no longer end in a draw. However, Shadow Tag is still a ridiculous ability and the abundance of Choice items limiting PokÃ©mon to only one attack makes Wobbuffet's job even easier. The only thing that prevents Wobbuffet from being a complete god among PokÃ©mon is the lack of a recovery move.
Wobbuffet's May 30, 2008 movement from the Limbo Tier to the OU tier was a direct result of no conclusive evidence of the PokÃ©mon overwhelming the standard metagame arising after three months of testing on Shoddy Battle's Official Server's Ladder. It was decided overwhelmingly through a "bold voting" process (voting UBER or OU with a detailed argument) at the end of June 2008 that Wobbuffet belongs in the Uber tier in DP.

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (A Guy) — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:49:15 +0000

You apparently didn't read my previous posts.

Ghost+Shadow Sneak/Shadow Punch/Shadow Claw.

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (Zekira Drake) — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:44:56 +0000

A Guy wrote:

As I said before, you should keep a counter for everything on your team.

But there is only 1, out of a million counters, to Wobbuffet, and that is Arena Trap + Toxic.

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (spyromaster330) — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:55:17 +0000

I used to loike POkemon when i was about 10 but i dont like it very much now.

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (A Guy) — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:07:19 +0000

As I said before, you should keep a counter for everything on your team.

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (Zekira Drake) — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:55:49 +0000

Linoone used Shadow Claw! It's Super Effective!
Wobbuffet used Counter!
Linoone fainted!

Rayquaza used Outrage!
Wobbuffet used Counter!
Rayquaza fainted!

Gengar used Shadow Ball!
It's Super Effective!
Wobbuffet used Mirror Coat!
Gengar fainted!

Wobbuffet uber gay yeah. Besides, with Shadow Tag and Encore... Wobbuffet will own too fast, not unless it gets a taste of my Trapinch ownage, though. I Arena Trap Wobbuffet on the field, then Toxic him to death. Gah.

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (A Guy) — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:25:53 +0000

Zekira Drake wrote:

So, let me tell you this, though -- assuming you're still at the verge of 'it's in the game', are you saying that Wobbuffet shouldn't be banned from competitive play, though? Even in ubers, Wobbuffet is restricted -- not because of hax, though. You know what's the case with Wobbuffet.

Get a Ghost Pokemon and Shadow Punch/Shadow Claw it to death.

Re: Pokemon

dummy@example.com (Zekira Drake) — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:57:43 +0000

Here's the problem though -- Substitute ruins everything that OHKO moves have to offer. That, is then, one of the most used counters to OHKOs... and even so, because Substitute is a very good move.

Focus Sash activates at an OHKO move, yes.

So, let me tell you this, though -- assuming you're still at the verge of 'it's in the game', are you saying that Wobbuffet shouldn't be banned from competitive play, though? Even in ubers, Wobbuffet is restricted -- not because of hax, though. You know what's the case with Wobbuffet.

Universally, I have a counter to all kinds of hax except the uncounterable Quick Claw hax. Also, no PokÃ©mon in the OU tier can counter Confusehax, not even BL! In UU, Confusehax is kind of ruined since a lot of PokÃ©mon get Own Tempo. I can also even counter Wobbu-gay with my Trapinch.

But no seriously, the only hax I really use now is Assisthax. I still remember sweeping an entire OU team with Delcatty -- take that Metagross lol, KOing a Deoxys-Emerald along the way, too.[/color]